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| altker128 | Hey guys. I'm on SFOS 3.1.0.11 ; I just installed F-Droid from the Jolla app store but it keeps telling me no Internet connection. Same for Nokia HERE. Phone is on WiFi and I flushed all iptables rules / ip6tables rules and have allowed all traffic. What might possibly be the problem? | 11:59 |
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| altker128 | Browser works and the Jolla side of the phone works perfectly for internet | 11:59 |
| altker128 | XA2 Dual Plus Sim | 11:59 |
| Nico[m] | Did you try restarting it? | 11:59 |
| altker128 | Nico[m]: Many times | 12:01 |
| altker128 | Nico[m]: When I had it on 3.3 Android app stuff / HERE / F-Droid worked fine | 12:01 |
| altker128 | To be clear, on the Jolla side, app store, Browser, all of that works perfectly | 12:01 |
| altker128 | I'm ssh'd in and made sure all firewall rules are clear as bell | 12:01 |
| altker128 | Is there some lxc bridging network rule that's missing? | 12:02 |
| Nico[m] | I know that sometimes the network state could get stuck, but I didn't have that happen on 3.3 yet | 12:02 |
| Nico[m] | (For the android side) | 12:02 |
| altker128 | I'm thinking it's an LXC issue | 12:02 |
| altker128 | configuration | 12:02 |
| altker128 | F-Droid should "just work" | 12:02 |
| Nico[m] | Did you manually mess with the iptables configuration? | 12:02 |
| altker128 | Yes, I did setup my own firewall rules, but as I said all of that is flushed | 12:04 |
| Anasko | I Am Tired. I want to copy passwords from old logins.json to new one. Such an action breaks fragile auto-fill-in capability of sailfish-browser. | 12:04 |
| Anasko | So, I go and sic firefox_decrypt.py onto the logins.json files. | 12:05 |
| Nico[m] | altker128: I'm pretty sure that there are some iptable rules to make networking work on Android, I hope you didn't break them | 12:06 |
| Anasko | It can decode the new logins.json file, no problem... But not the old one! Claims it has a Master Password. | 12:06 |
| altker128 | I saved all the connman files | 12:06 |
| altker128 | so I can restore them | 12:06 |
| altker128 | I don't see anything specifically about android in the connman files | 12:06 |
| Nico[m] | I don't think the rules are in connman | 12:07 |
| Anasko | But, sailfish-browser doesn't have any Master Password! | 12:07 |
| altker128 | Nico[m]: Where else would they be? | 12:07 |
| Anasko | Never did | 12:07 |
| Nico[m] | You usually need some iptable rules for lxc containers to get networking | 12:07 |
| altker128 | Depends if it's bridged mode or NAT | 12:08 |
| altker128 | I don't see any bridged network devices for the LXC stuff | 12:08 |
| altker128 | Can you SSH in and check if you see anything special LXC wise or iptables wise? | 12:09 |
| Nico[m] | I don't have a device, that uses LXC for android | 12:10 |
| altker128 | Uhh, do you use SFOS? | 12:11 |
| Nico[m] | Yes, but I'm still on an Xperia X, which uses the old aliendalvik | 12:12 |
| altker128 | Ah | 12:17 |
| mal | altker128: why still on 3.1.0.11? | 12:21 |
| Krikke | they changed a lot of the network stuff after 3.1 I think | 12:22 |
| altker128 | mal: Well in 3.3 something broke with connman and APN settings | 12:22 |
| altker128 | mal: Basically even if you tell it don't use IPV6 for data APN, connman still gets a DBUS command that has it use IPV6 | 12:23 |
| mal | in what kind of situation does that happen? | 12:24 |
| altker128 | mal: Well in a "normal" situation I would say | 12:24 |
| mal | hmm | 12:24 |
| altker128 | I use TMobile and IPV6 for MMS and IPV4 for rmnet_data0 | 12:24 |
| altker128 | on 3.1 SFOS properly does this | 12:24 |
| altker128 | on 3.3 not so much | 12:24 |
| altker128 | It might be specific to the XA2 Dual Sim version | 12:24 |
| mal | I doubt that is device specific | 12:25 |
| altker128 | I noticed in the /home/.system/var/connman there were NOT entries for the celluar and MMS APNs | 12:25 |
| altker128 | I have sitting next to me a XA2 non-dual SIM | 12:25 |
| altker128 | and it's home/.system/var/connman has entries for both data and MMS | 12:25 |
| mal | is it 3.3.0 that is broken or also 3.2.0 and 3.2.1? | 12:25 |
| altker128 | I didn't try 3.2 or 3.2.1 ; I have 3.1 files I downloaded and 3.3 | 12:26 |
| altker128 | To summarize: DualSim does NOT have entries for both data and MMS in the "hidden" connman folder, but SingleSim does. They are both now running identical 3.1 | 12:27 |
| altker128 | mal: Any thoughts on why the Android subsystem doesn't have network connectivity/ | 12:28 |
| altker128 | OK, I may have fixed it by restoring connman's firewall rules | 12:29 |
| altker128 | Yes, working now... | 12:33 |
| mal | there has been quite a lot of changes to the android app support since 3.1.0 | 12:33 |
| altker128 | mal: I found 3.3 had slow UI :/ | 12:34 |
| mal | in normal use? | 12:34 |
| altker128 | Yes | 12:34 |
| altker128 | Stock | 12:34 |
| altker128 | Fresh from install | 12:34 |
| altker128 | 3.1 feels more responsive | 12:34 |
| altker128 | I mean SFOS side | 12:34 |
| altker128 | Android app responsiveness was quite disappointing in 3.3 | 12:34 |
| altker128 | i.e panning maps in Nokia HERE was really slow | 12:35 |
| altker128 | I found some odd delays with sending MMS on 3.3 , that I *THINK* was due to the IPV6 stuff. MMS has still not been perfect on 3.1 but more reliable | 12:36 |
| altker128 | I notice the XA2 device seems faster with MMS/SMS than the XA2 Plus dual-SIM. They are on the same network , family plan and both sitting next to me, so there is no difference in the cell provider | 12:37 |
| mal | I have tested MMS only few times so no idea if how fast it should be | 12:38 |
| altker128 | XA2 is fast, like < 8 seconds to send one of the stock SFOS photos, XA2 Plus, half-as fast, exact same settings, same OS, same config, same network, same location | 12:39 |
| altker128 | It's acceptable but bizarre | 12:39 |
| altker128 | based on my experience I wouldn't reccomend a dual-SIM device | 12:39 |
| altker128 | (on SFOS) | 12:39 |
| mal | is the image size the same on those devices? | 12:39 |
| mal | or do you mean the sample images on the device? | 12:40 |
| altker128 | the sample images | 12:41 |
| altker128 | The stock photos | 12:41 |
| altker128 | Panning around in Nokia HERE on 3.1 seems more reasonable than on 3.3 | 12:43 |
| altker128 | Not by a lot but it feels like it's different | 12:43 |
| altker128 | GPS worked fine on 3.1 and 3.3 | 12:43 |
| altker128 | In fact, GPS locked quite quickly which was a relief, that has been an issue off and on with various phones I've had | 12:45 |
| altker128 | OK, so the Android/networking needs some of those unprivledged connman rules | 12:47 |
| mal | not sure what the connman settings should have but the files have moves a bit in 3.3.0 | 13:05 |
| mal | to /home/.system/var/lib/connman | 13:05 |
| altker128 | Well, on the XA2 non-dual SIM there are entries in the connman folder (under home) for both the celluar ('data') and MMS APN which are rmnet_data0 and rmnet_data1 | 13:06 |
| altker128 | On the XA2 dual-SIM it does NOT create two entries which is odd | 13:07 |
| altker128 | Even with the exact same SFOS version | 13:07 |
| mal | quite difficult to debug when I don't have such an old installation on any device | 13:08 |
| altker128 | 3.3 behaves the same on the XA2 Plus dual-SIM | 13:09 |
| altker128 | That is to say, there are NOT multiple entries for celluar and MMS which seems 'odd'. And 3.3 does NOT keep IPV6 turned off even if you tell it IPV4 only for the data . That is a bug | 13:11 |
| altker128 | You can see in the connman file that gets created, IPv6 keeps getting set to 'auto' | 13:11 |
| altker128 | I even edited the file and chattr +i on it, but it makes no difference, I conclused the GUI is using DBUS to communicate with connman | 13:11 |
| mal | in which file does it have those? | 13:13 |
| altker128 | Give me a few and I can SSH in | 13:14 |
| altker128 | if you do an ls in the connman folder, there is an entry for the celluar APN with some long UUID like string | 13:15 |
| altker128 | Inside there is a file called 'settings' | 13:15 |
| altker128 | and it shows the ipv4/ipv6 settings, the IP, etc | 13:15 |
| mal | so what is missing? | 13:19 |
| altker128 | On the XA2 Plus a second entry for the MMS APN | 13:25 |
| altker128 | *XA2+ Dual-Sim | 13:25 |
| altker128 | On the XA2 there are two entries, one for celluar data and one for MMS (also ones for wifi) | 13:25 |
| altker128 | And I said, on 3.3, the 'system' does not properly honor disabling IPV6 for interfaces, even if you specifically tell it | 13:29 |
| altker128 | I am surprised in 3.3 you can't still attach a photo from within the SMS app. That seems like a major oversight | 13:46 |
| altker128 | And secondly if you want to send multiple photos have the SMS app do the work of queuing up the requests | 13:46 |
| johansmitsnl | https://together.jolla.com/question/225481/xperia-10-plus-ds-random-freezes/ any ideas on how to debug this to see if it hardware or software? | 14:23 |
| mal | altker128: check /var/lib/ofono/ | 14:28 |
| mal | altker128: that seems to contain the different settings for mms and data etc | 14:31 |
| altker128 | I'll take a look there | 14:38 |
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| pa | hi | 16:41 |
| pa | what battery do i need for Jolla1? | 16:41 |
| attah | pa: https://together.jolla.com/question/103525/jolla-please-confirm-safe-usage-of-htc-desire-310-battery/ | 16:53 |
| pa | thanks! | 16:54 |
| attah | don't blame me if it goes poof | 16:54 |
| attah | Just remembered i own one of those batteries, but never really used it... | 16:58 |
| attah | Seems that was what my J1 needed to turn on | 16:58 |
| attah | pa: Seems i have this one https://www.polarcell.de/en/mobile-phone-batteries/htc/desire-series-polarcell-li-ion-replacement-battery-for-htc-desire-310-d310n.html | 17:04 |
| pa | im tempted to get one | 17:05 |
| pa | and use it, and put the original one to rest | 17:05 |
| attah | I'd get a faster phone... but for my needs of just checking some app scaling and performance... it does the trick it seems | 17:06 |
| pa | it seems to still work alright | 17:07 |
| pa | of course i, like most, wonder if we will ever see a Qt upgrade on the system | 17:08 |
| pa | will it ever make it to 5.15? | 17:08 |
| attah | supposedly the upgrade is in the works, but that can take quite some time | 17:09 |
| attah | If they plan on staying in business, which the seem to do, they need to do something sooner or later | 17:09 |
| pa | hopefully, 5.9/12/15 are all pretty similar | 17:09 |
| pa | so it should be simpler than the switch from 5.6 | 17:09 |
| attah | didn't they already have a mostly-done uplift to whatever is next? | 17:10 |
| attah | that just started to rot a bit because licensing was a consideration at the time | 17:10 |
| pa | ah probably that | 17:39 |
| pa | meaning then it's stuck on 5.6 | 17:39 |
| paulvt | altker128: I sometimes also have that "Android" doesn't seem to see internet connections while Sailfish OS does, reboot solves it for me (unfotrunately) | 18:55 |
| ichimaru | With lipstick, in order to get landscape orientation, does the client app have to rotate all it's rendering? Or is it possible for the compositor to do the transform while the client renders as normal? | 21:47 |
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