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| pa | mal, now i managed to get to 3.3.0 i think | 10:42 |
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| pa | and now pkcon refresh keeps giving me permission to access denied for store-repository.jolla.com/releases/3.3.0-16/aliendalvik/SbJ/repodata/repomod.xml?credentials=store | 10:43 |
| pa | if that rings any bell | 10:43 |
| mal | pa: wait, that has 3.3.0-16 it should be 3.3.0.16, are you sure you used correct "ssu re 3.3.0.16" command? | 11:08 |
| Sellerie | Hi, I am currently looking into sailfishos and whether a device could be a viable alternative to my current Android device, but I have some questions regarding the OS itself | 12:34 |
| Sellerie | Does SFOS support some type of full disk encryption or similar to keep personal data secured? | 12:35 |
| DylanVanAssche | <Sellerie "Does SFOS support some type of f"> Official devices such as Sony Xperia X, XA2, 10 support full disk encryption since the latest OS release (3.3.0) | 12:35 |
| Sellerie | Oh, awesome! | 12:36 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sellerie (IRC): Note: the encryption is implemented using LUKS and the password is your unlock code. You need a really long unlock code if you want to have a strong encryption. | 12:37 |
| Sellerie | That makes sense | 12:38 |
| Sellerie | Does the fingerprint sensor still work when using LUKS? (Of course not for the bootup unlock process but in the further device usage prodecure) | 12:39 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sellerie (IRC): Yes, you can use the fingerprint reader to unlock, just not for the LUKS part. | 12:40 |
| Sellerie | That sounds fine to me | 12:41 |
| Sellerie | Oh, I heard that it's missing a "native" browser for the OS. What is the typical solution for That? | 12:42 |
| Sellerie | Do people just use the Android Firefox? | 12:43 |
| Nico[m] | Sailfish does have a native browser, but it is using an old version of the firefox engine atm, which can suck at times | 12:43 |
| Nico[m] | People just use alternative browsers via Android or native browsers using Webgit/Webengine or recently a browser via flatpak, iirc | 12:44 |
| Nico[m] | (I use the sailfish browser 90% of the time) | 12:45 |
| Sellerie | Okay | 12:45 |
| Sellerie | Does the sailfish browser support addons like firefox? e.g. ad blocker, umatrix etc | 12:45 |
| Nico[m] | Not in the UI at least | 12:47 |
| Sellerie | Oh bummer | 12:47 |
| Sellerie | Well if e.g. the Android firefox just works fine within the OS that would be fine for me too though | 12:48 |
| Sellerie | Is there support for wireguard in any way? | 12:48 |
| Nico[m] | Android support is not available for community ports though, just for the official images | 12:48 |
| Nico[m] | There is no wireguard support yet, at least officially, but I guess that will come once it is actually available in kernel | 12:49 |
| Sellerie | Well I was looking into getting an Xperia 10 specifically for this reason | 12:49 |
| Sellerie | Oh, regarding kernel: What kernel is used? Like - is it a (heavily) modified vendor kernel or is it based on upstream? | 12:50 |
| Nico[m] | It usually uses the kernel provided by the vendor | 12:51 |
| Nico[m] | But it depends on the hardware | 12:51 |
| Nico[m] | Xperia uses the Sony kernel | 12:51 |
| Sellerie | That sounds like the current Xperia devices will never see native wireguard support? | 12:52 |
| Sellerie | I dont know the kernel update policy of Sony | 12:52 |
| Nico[m] | Seems like Sony mostly still provides 4.14, but since WireGuard is getting integrated into Android, I'd guess, that they will also add that to their kernels? | 12:56 |
| Sellerie | You say that the kernel is the unmodified Sony kernel? So when I want the sources of it I can just get them fromt Sony themselves? | 12:57 |
| Sellerie | I mean in that case I should also be able to build an own kernel with wireguard support integrated I guess | 12:58 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sellerie (IRC): Depends if Jolla upgrades the adaptation to a higher Android API. Xperia X is still stuck at 4.4 for example. | 12:58 |
| Sellerie | Well I'm not afraid of using the shell to configure wireguard | 12:59 |
| Sellerie | I mean - I dont understand how you associate wireguard with the Android API | 13:01 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sellerie (IRC): SFOS on Android devices such as Sony's use the Android drivers and their APIs to drive the hardware. | 13:02 |
| DylanVanAssche | Upgrading a kernel is mostly associated with upgrading these blobs. | 13:02 |
| Sellerie | Ah I see | 13:02 |
| DylanVanAssche | And these things are difficult and sometimes expensive to get newer drivers from hw vendors | 13:02 |
| Sellerie | Ok I see | 13:03 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sony is very open about it, but still requires a new adaptation on top of it from Jolla | 13:03 |
| Sellerie | But I assume its not an issue to roll your own kernel for SFOS? | 13:06 |
| Sellerie | (own = self compiled) | 13:06 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sellerie (IRC): If you adapt the hw adaptation on top of this kernel too. | 13:06 |
| DylanVanAssche | If you want to know more about this, you can find the specialists on the #sailfishos-porters IRC channel. | 13:07 |
| Sellerie | Sounds good, thank you! :) | 13:09 |
| x2s | Sellerie: there seems to be a userspace wireguard implementation https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-go/about/ | 13:19 |
| x2s | maybe that helps? | 13:19 |
| x2s | https://together.jolla.com/question/182324/wish-wireguard/ here's the thread about it, if you haven't seen it already. | 13:20 |
| x2s | and one comment says that at least for the XA2 kernel WireGuard should be built-in | 13:22 |
| Sellerie | Well I already ordered the Xperia 10 xD | 13:23 |
| x2s | the kernel for the XA2 and 10 shouldn't be that different | 13:23 |
| x2s | so there's a good chance it's built-in, too | 13:23 |
| x2s | the X on the other hand... I don't know | 13:23 |
| x2s | let me check with ssh ;) | 13:24 |
| Sellerie | Sounds awesome | 13:24 |
| x2s | oh, wait, looks like you still have to build the kernel module yourself. | 13:25 |
| x2s | https://together.jolla.com/question/182324/wish-wireguard/?answer=226033#post-id-226033 | 13:26 |
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| Sellerie | Well I'm fine witht that | 13:29 |
| Sellerie | Thank you, I'm really looking forward to test all the things on it now :) | 13:31 |
| Sellerie | Oh, another UX question: Does Bluetooth audio work properly? | 13:46 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sellerie (IRC): I use Bluetooth audio for my car and 2 speakers, no issues. | 14:04 |
| DylanVanAssche | Some people have issues on together.jolla.com, but I haven't had any at all | 14:04 |
| Sellerie | What codecs does it support? | 14:06 |
| Sellerie | Thats good to know as I use bluetooth audio alot | 14:23 |
| x2s | I have weird problems with it. But that could be because of how it seems to be implemented. | 14:42 |
| x2s | And my car stereo is now 8 years old | 14:42 |
| x2s | It was better in the past. Now when I enter the car the phone connects, but then drops for some reason the phone support (audio still works). So no calls, but I can listen to music | 14:43 |
| x2s | I think it has something to do with changing cell towers and having no connection inbetween. Somehow SFX then gets either stuck or cuts the phone part of bluetooth completely | 14:43 |
| x2s | When I switch of the car and on again it suddenly works again | 14:44 |
| Sellerie | That sounds weird | 14:52 |
| Sellerie | Well I have some bluetooth headphones I use basically constantly so would be good if that works :D | 14:52 |
| x2s | that should work. I haven't seen many problems with bluetooth audio. | 14:58 |
| x2s | but the car stuff... well | 14:59 |
| x2s | Who would've thought that car makers deliver unusable software? | 14:59 |
| Sellerie | hrhr | 14:59 |
| Sellerie | Colour me surprised :D | 15:00 |
| Sellerie | oh, another question regarding that nextcloud stuff: Can I also use other (cal)dav services for use with SFOS? | 15:05 |
| Nico[m] | Yes | 15:06 |
| Nico[m] | That's how I used my calendars before the nextcloud integration | 15:06 |
| Sellerie | I see | 15:07 |
| Sellerie | Well I run a radicale server and I already use that one on my Android | 15:07 |
| Nico[m] | That probably works, although sometimes synchronisation can be a bit finnicky with some services... | 15:10 |
| x2s | I'm using davical for carddav and caldav and it works fine. I have to set up nextcloud for my backups sometimes... | 15:31 |
| ocherno | just recently installed Freenas/Nextcloud and use both CalDev and CardDev with SFOS... happy do ditch Ass...droid services... email/cal/contacts | 15:38 |
| ocherno | plus SFOS backup feature works with Nextcloud, though not sure how effective it is | 15:38 |
| DylanVanAssche | ocherno (IRC): CardDAV and CalDAV are pretty nice, I also run such a server (radicale.org). | 16:00 |
| attah | QImage </3 | 18:39 |
| Nico[m] | ? | 18:40 |
| attah | Probably PEBKAC, but simple things like https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qimage.html#scaled third image in the explanation... it doesn't actually pad to the dashed line | 18:41 |
| attah | because why would it? | 18:42 |
| attah | and the raw format id some kind of RGBA regardless of what i convertToFormat it to | 18:42 |
| Nico[m] | Ah, yeah, the conversion stuff can be tricky :D | 18:43 |
| Nico[m] | But the scaling does work in my experience, but I'm not sure, if it works with the Qt version in Sailfish | 18:43 |
| attah | it works alright.. it is just their model of explaining it is a bit borked | 18:44 |
| attah | ...or my brain is | 18:44 |
| Nico[m] | Well, if you scale it without regards to the aspect ratio, it will always have exactly the size of the rectangle | 18:46 |
| attah | The problem is i wanted to maintain aspect ratio, but the image they use to explain it would be easily interpreted as doing padding | 18:47 |
| Nico[m] | But if you keep the aspect ratio, you need to decide how to crop it. You can either fit it inside the rectangle or make it overflow | 18:47 |
| Nico[m] | Well, the explanation is, that the image will fit inside the rectangle, that you provide to the function | 18:48 |
| Nico[m] | The rectangle is just to show the input parameter, not the output | 18:49 |
| attah | I completely see that now *after* trying | 18:49 |
| Nico[m] | Fair | 18:49 |
| Nico[m] | I thought it made sense, when I read it the first time, but I can see, how you could understand it both ways :3 | 18:50 |
| attah | i guess my head is too far up a printer to see how there can all of a sudden be nothing within the dimensions | 18:50 |
| Nico[m] | :D | 18:51 |
| attah | i feel even more stupid.. QImage at all can already save to the desired format | 19:00 |
| Nico[m] | :D | 19:00 |
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