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| adantes | Does anyone use sailfish in their gemini pda? | 11:13 |
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| adantes | I'm giving it a shot, but seems to drain more battery than Android (like 20% in abou an hour, finerterm oly | 11:14 |
| adantes | and some tweaks | 11:14 |
| lachs0r | adantes: current sfos has an issue where connman is terrible | 11:17 |
| lachs0r | it seems to poll wifi networks periodically and waste a LOT of cpu time on it | 11:18 |
| lachs0r | at the same time it causes lipstick (the compositor) to lag | 11:18 |
| lachs0r | and network i/o to stall | 11:18 |
| lachs0r | if you disable wifi, battery runtime should improve | 11:18 |
| nyctea | adantes, I am | 11:18 |
| nyctea | I get about 6 days from my batteries, but indeed I don't use wifi | 11:19 |
| nyctea | just 4G | 11:19 |
| lachs0r | xperia x barely lasts one day with wifi enabled, several days with it disabled | 11:19 |
| lachs0r | jolla 1 lasts weeks with it disabled, 1-2 days enabled | 11:20 |
| adantes | ohh | 11:22 |
| adantes | wifi issues | 11:23 |
| lachs0r | lowkey wondering what’s lacking from networkmanager and whether replacing connman would be a huge undertaking | 11:23 |
| adantes | nyctea: 6 days?! | 11:23 |
| lachs0r | because nm is far more mature than connman | 11:23 |
| adantes | That's the reason I ditched Android | 11:23 |
| nyctea | adantes, on my normal use, yes - I don't use it very actively though | 11:23 |
| lachs0r | the wifi stuff is definitely a regression anyway | 11:24 |
| adantes | with ssh we can be as much productive.. and dont need those battery draning procceses | 11:24 |
| nyctea | myeah, terminal + ssh is my most used application :P | 11:25 |
| adantes | imho, this gemini thing is just wonderful | 11:26 |
| adantes | most of the time I spend it in terminal and ssh, why losing so much battery with google services, scooping our system | 11:26 |
| adantes | I considered debian for gemini, but supoprt seems stalled | 11:27 |
| nyctea | only thing I miss is a signal client - and maybe whatsapp, though it's mostly my familiy that considers this a problem | 11:27 |
| lachs0r | I wonder how hard it is to bring fingerterm’s silica branch back in line with master | 11:28 |
| lachs0r | because the non-silica keyboard is just hateful | 11:28 |
| nyctea | adantes, but you can't call with debian om gemini, right? | 11:28 |
| nyctea | s/om/on/ | 11:28 |
| adantes | nyctea: may I suggest you trying a virtual machine | 11:29 |
| adantes | aka remote desktop | 11:29 |
| adantes | thanks for the tip in wifi | 11:29 |
| nyctea | ssh -X, you mean? | 11:29 |
| adantes | shutdown already | 11:30 |
| adantes | nop | 11:30 |
| lachs0r | btw, working on a transit app for the puget sound area (and some other regions using the same API) while I’m in the united states (as an alternative to the OneBusAway android app) | 11:30 |
| nyctea | or znc | 11:30 |
| adantes | aspice, or vnc | 11:30 |
| nyctea | eh, vnc | 11:30 |
| nyctea | Hmmm I could try | 11:30 |
| adantes | it works :P | 11:30 |
| nyctea | that does sound interesting | 11:30 |
| adantes | My machine is actually a remote server, ad thats why the terminal +ssh | 11:31 |
| nyctea | vnc sounds like it uses a lot of data though | 11:31 |
| adantes | when desktop X needs ssh -X still suck for the job | 11:31 |
| nyctea | I'd need to go to wifi again, temporarily | 11:31 |
| adantes | I find x2go perfect for dev machine | 11:31 |
| adantes | and aspice for the desktop needs | 11:32 |
| lachs0r | SPICE is decent for this, yeah | 11:32 |
| adantes | vnc is outdated indeed | 11:32 |
| adantes | security flaws and so.. | 11:32 |
| adantes | lachs0r: spice is perfect | 11:32 |
| lachs0r | it’s amazing how little effort it takes to write decent apps with qml/silica. I got like half of it done in one day after years of not doing anything with qml | 11:32 |
| adantes | and so is x2go | 11:33 |
| adantes | Love them | 11:33 |
| lachs0r | live coding is very nice. can test 3 devices simultaneously with very fast cycles | 11:33 |
| adantes | with a gemini pda, youre always connected to your machines | 11:33 |
| adantes | when at the office, conect via arch, just to use different keyboards and monitors | 11:34 |
| adantes | Now my ssue was the battery draining | 11:34 |
| adantes | even with killall app, damm google services always come up, to suck a bit | 11:35 |
| tadzik | well, you don't need to have google services on an android phone either ;) | 11:36 |
| lachs0r | I sure hope the connman issue gets fixed with the next update. 3.2.0.12 preview still has it :/ | 11:36 |
| adantes | tadzik: its a headache to remove them, remembers me the one when trying to remove explorer from winows xp | 11:37 |
| adantes | naaa... no use. ditch them | 11:37 |
| tadzik | adantes: ah yes. I was thinking more of installing an android distro that doesn't have them in the first place | 11:37 |
| tadzik | you could say that sailfish is an example :) | 11:38 |
| adantes | I'm a mobile dev. I f#$% need them for client apps | 11:38 |
| tadzik | ah, that sucks | 11:38 |
| adantes | you bet | 11:39 |
| tadzik | I'd consider getting a separate device just for work in that case. I had a separate SSD for windows when I needed it for work | 11:39 |
| tadzik | (it still screwed me over, I'd go for a VM next time) | 11:39 |
| adantes | so,I need those things, and an ios device as well... | 11:39 |
| adantes | tadzik: eactly! therefore the dualboot in gemini | 11:40 |
| tadzik | ah, nice :) | 11:41 |
| adantes | and while trying the sailfish, this battery drain issues, that you guys just gave a precious tip | 11:41 |
| adantes | it's ok to earn money developing for android and ios; and despise using them. | 11:42 |
| lachs0r | if I were an android dev I’d quit my job asap | 11:46 |
| lachs0r | would rather clean toilets for the rest of my life than subject myself to this hell | 11:47 |
| lachs0r | same with webdev tbh | 11:47 |
| tadzik | heh, I started doing webdev recently for work, and I actually enjoy it more than backend these days | 11:49 |
| tadzik | it's not that I like the tools though – I just like the challenge | 11:49 |
| adantes | loll | 11:54 |
| adantes | well, it's ok.. a huge target | 11:54 |
| adantes | I've actully been doing it since Android 1.6, and iPhone 3 | 11:55 |
| adantes | when mobile were a nerdy thing | 11:55 |
| adantes | and phones went as smart to pick your data and save it in the servers of a compayabroad | 11:56 |
| adantes | j2me was a huge thing .. too bad was ditvhed | 11:57 |
| tadzik | I hate the web stack, but I see it as the only hope to break the mobile app duopoly | 11:57 |
| adantes | tadzik: react native? | 11:58 |
| tadzik | it's either PWAs or always being the third-class citizen if you're not on the popular platform | 11:58 |
| tadzik | adantes: that honestly sounds like the worst of both worlds to me :P | 11:58 |
| tadzik | web stack without the cross-platformness | 11:59 |
| adantes | I was never found of that as well.. The example I gave my students was that they use a car to drive, ad a boat to sail; if hybrid was such a good thig, they should buy a hovercraft | 12:00 |
| lachs0r | qt can target android and ios fwiw | 12:00 |
| lachs0r | seemed to work okay last time I tried | 12:00 |
| tadzik | right, but "ios and android" is exactly the kind of cross-platform that I consider not good enough | 12:01 |
| tadzik | even if we include sailfish in that we're still screwing over every upcoming alternative | 12:02 |
| lachs0r | it also targets blackberry, symbian, sfos, desktop, what have you | 12:02 |
| tadzik | hm, perhaps | 12:02 |
| tadzik | adantes: heh | 12:02 |
| lachs0r | much easier to work with than webshit, no question about it | 12:02 |
| lachs0r | also much easier than native android APIs | 12:03 |
| adantes | native Android is quite easy | 12:03 |
| adantes | Google has it very well documented | 12:03 |
| lachs0r | it’s a fucking disaster | 12:03 |
| lachs0r | not at all | 12:03 |
| lachs0r | dumping doxygen output somewhere is not well documented | 12:04 |
| adantes | never had that much difficulties, excepto for this suden paradigm change with jetpack, and Androidx | 12:04 |
| adantes | well, trial and error, something must work :-) | 12:04 |
| lachs0r | getting simple UI behavior implemented is very unintuitive | 12:05 |
| lachs0r | nothing works the way I’d expect | 12:05 |
| adantes | cant complain | 12:05 |
| adantes | dump doxygen.. that one is very good | 12:06 |
| adantes | clients fll all the time :-) | 12:06 |
| lachs0r | first time I wrote an android app I tried to make a formatted list view that auto scrolls when new content is appended (but only if scrolled all the way to the bottom already) | 12:06 |
| adantes | ohh its very well documentd they say.. .yeah... dpraise doxygen i think | 12:06 |
| adantes | :-) | 12:06 |
| tadzik | frankly, I'm not so sure if Qt is actually easier to work with than web crap | 12:07 |
| adantes | lachs0r: that requires some previous knowledge | 12:07 |
| lachs0r | sounds simple enough but I gave up after half a day of not finding a clean solution to that problem | 12:07 |
| tadzik | depends on what you already know really | 12:07 |
| adantes | that was somehing I didnt found very intuitive at first | 12:08 |
| lachs0r | tadzik: well when I used qml/silica for the very first time it was all very very intuitive | 12:08 |
| tadzik | lachs0r: I wish I could say the same. Having used Qt with C++ before it was all *very* wacky | 12:08 |
| adantes | that seems very cool qml | 12:08 |
| lachs0r | and I had no trouble figuring things out just clicking around in the documentation for qml and silica | 12:08 |
| lachs0r | (which I mostly did just to find the name of whichever widget I was looking for) | 12:09 |
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| Kabouik | Hey all. My Xperia X Compact running SFOS ran out of battery last night and now it won't charge up, red blinking LED all the time. It seems to indicate that the battery is not charging, but I have tried 4 different chargers and 3 USB-C cables (that used to work). | 16:13 |
| Kabouik | I have not changed anything on the system before it ran out of battery, no SFOS update nor any application. Any ideas? | 16:13 |
| Kabouik | Volume up + power does not change anything. Maybe fastboot? | 16:13 |
| Nico[m]1 | Did you try letting it charge for 30 minutes or so? | 16:18 |
| fledermaus | how long have you left it charging? | 16:18 |
| Kabouik | More than 8 hours now fledermaus | 16:30 |
| Kabouik | Though it was unplugged a couple times to try things loke VolUp+Power, connection to PC, VolUp, VolDown, etc. | 16:31 |
| Kabouik | This is not the first time it runs out of battery, but it never caused any issue afterwards. | 16:31 |
| Kabouik | Usually I get the battery icon on the screen, showing up in red when the charged amount is too low to boot, then white when I can boot it (usually after 2 or 3%). But now I do not get this icon, just the blinking led. | 16:32 |
| fledermaus | does the manual for the phone itself suggest anything? (service manual etc if such a thing is available) | 16:38 |
| Kabouik | I did not see any, no, except Sony forums suggest volume up + power, but no effect. | 16:49 |
| Kabouik | https://support.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperiaxcompact/faq/battery,-power-&-charging/the-device-doesnt-seem-to-charge/ there is this, but nothing works | 17:02 |
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