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| Almindor | why is the IDE stripping debug binaries? | 02:38 |
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| Almindor | I use the "copy binaries to device" method and when I check the resulting file in /opt/... I get a stripped binary..? | 02:39 |
| Almindor | (also only asm backtrace on a crash, that's why I've been looking) | 02:39 |
| h0pey | does bluetooth work now on xa2 | 06:41 |
| albertux | sometimes bluetooth dos Not properly work on Xperia X indeed... | 06:50 |
| Krikke | so my /usr/bin/contactsd uses 22.4% of all memory | 07:16 |
| Krikke | I reset cache and got the calendar to sync | 07:16 |
| Krikke | I did this, and now first time since like forever the calendar syncs | 07:18 |
| Krikke | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202530688-How-to-heal-Google-calendar-or-contact-sync?mobile_site=true | 07:18 |
| Krikke | how do I fix the memory usage? Other apps keep crashing after some time, probaby oom | 07:19 |
| Krikke | I have 70MB free mem after boot | 07:20 |
| vknecht | if all the rest is "cache" it is ok afaik | 07:21 |
| Krikke | really | 07:23 |
| vknecht | also, device with 2GB+ RAM generally have mapplauncherd-booster to preload stuff so it's faster to start | 07:28 |
| Krikke | xa2 dul im | 07:34 |
| Krikke | dual sim | 07:34 |
| Krikke | but it used the same amount of memory before applying the fix | 07:36 |
| Krikke | will memory usage go down if I delete all accounts? | 07:39 |
| albertux | Krikke: same problem here before ad after last update --- problem not solved yet --- | 07:46 |
| albertux | Krikke: try to sync manually your contacts, you probably solve problem ... | 07:48 |
| Krikke | ok | 07:57 |
| Krikke | Hmmmmm | 08:05 |
| Krikke | https://pastebin.com/LppJuSvY | 08:05 |
| Krikke | [root@Sailfish Contacts]# pwd | 08:07 |
| Krikke | /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts | 08:07 |
| Krikke | du and ls report size differently | 08:07 |
| Krikke | hmm down to 11% | 08:16 |
| Krikke | and I did nothing | 08:16 |
| Kabouik_ | Is together.jolla.com broken this morning? | 09:03 |
| Kabouik_ | I'm getting a lot of nginx errors, and loading times are horrid (when pages do load). | 09:03 |
| Kabouik_ | horrendous* | 09:03 |
| PeperJohnny | isup.me says broken for more than us | 09:03 |
| Kabouik_ | Thanks, forgot about isup.me. | 09:04 |
| PeperJohnny | no worries | 09:05 |
| Kabouik_ | Well then since I can't post on TJC, I'll try here. | 09:05 |
| Kabouik_ | I had a X Compact with Google Services installed. I seem to remember the accepted procedure on TJC to install GServices implied making a symlink /home/.android | 09:05 |
| Kabouik_ | But I am not sure anymore. Anyway, I had to reinstall Android recently and figured I would move to MicroG instead. I did it and it work perfectly, even better. | 09:06 |
| Kabouik_ | Before that, I had moved /home/.android/ to /home/nemo/.android to make a backup of my apks and start fresh. This didn't cause any issue with the new Alien and MicroG installation. | 09:08 |
| Kabouik_ | However, I later deleted /home/nemo/.android/ by accident, which broke Alien (this this location was not the original, this why I believe it was actually a symlink). | 09:08 |
| Kabouik_ | I removed Alien, reinstalled it, and I can now run apks again, even install applications... But I cannot install MicroG anymore despite doing the exact same spoofing procedure. F-Droid says "unknown issue" when trying to install it. | 09:09 |
| Kabouik_ | Is there something I maye have deleted that is not restored when reinstalling Android Support from Jolla store? | 09:09 |
| Kabouik_ | Signature Spoofing Checker from F-Droid confirms that spoofing is enabled on my device. | 09:13 |
| Kabouik_ | Yet a freshly installed F-Droid shows issues: can't update itself (I'm surprised it even has an update since I just downloaded it), can't install MicroG, while it work perfectly before my shenanigans. | 09:14 |
| Kabouik_ | And yet it could install Signature Spoofing Checker. | 09:14 |
| Kabouik_ | I believe the replacement folder that was created when I moved /nemo/.android/ is /nemo/data. So the new Android stuff is there, I'm just no sure why removing the old backup broke things. | 09:25 |
| Kabouik_ | I think all of my issues related to the deletion of the symlink might be caused by Android stuff being stored in my root partition instead of user partition now, ending up with too little space to install MicroG from F-Droid (which surprisingly doesn't say this explicitly). | 09:51 |
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| Krikke | seems my x doesn't have the massive mem usage with the same google account | 11:01 |
| Krikke | I removed the whole account and mem usage is back to 22% | 11:04 |
| Krikke | how do I clean this? | 11:04 |
| Krikke | start freh | 11:04 |
| Krikke | fresh | 11:04 |
| Krikke | what is the service name so I can restart it? | 11:06 |
| Krikke | LOL it requires --user switch | 11:17 |
| Krikke | now we're getting somewhere | 11:17 |
| Krikke | fucken lolled it was a directory | 11:20 |
| Krikke | that's whyit showef different size | 11:20 |
| Krikke | lol | 11:22 |
| Krikke | removed, restarted mem usage 0 | 11:24 |
| Krikke | fixd | 11:24 |
| Krikke | vknecht: liar | 11:25 |
| Krikke | seems I have to reinstall | 11:41 |
| Krikke | and try microg | 11:41 |
| Krikke | google stuff eating up a gig of ram | 11:42 |
| Coolgeek | is there a tutorial to install microg on sony xperia x ? all I saw was for XA2 | 11:42 |
| Krikke | can you support a device with more than 3G ram pls? | 11:42 |
| Krikke | dunno | 11:43 |
| Krikke | dead os | 11:43 |
| Krikke | tjc just gives 502 | 11:48 |
| Krikke | features are like, look we improved thesesystem apps that already worked | 11:51 |
| JulianF | Hello, all. New to Jolla/Sailfish, coming from Android, seeking more Open solutions in my comms & data. Read plenty about it this compared with LineageOS, Purism, /e/, etc; looks good. Some questions before I buy. Was in #jollamobile; @Coolgeek suggested I try here. | 12:46 |
| JulianF | Looks like photos can be copied to online albums in available "social network" connectors; but only FB and Twitter are mentioned in the manual. What support is there for photos gallery or backup/online access on Open systems -- Nextcloud, Piwigo, plain-old-file-server (SMB/FTP), etc.? | 12:46 |
| JulianF | Like, what's a summary of the possibilities, practically and/or technically? | 12:46 |
| PeperJohnny | There is an app called ghostcloud on openrepos.net that copies to nextcloud. Maybe webdav too | 12:47 |
| PeperJohnny | https://openrepos.net/content/beidl/ghostcloud | 12:48 |
| JulianF | https://openrepos.net/content/beidl/ghostcloud , I see. Looks like a good start. Thanks. | 12:50 |
| PeperJohnny | install the additionals if you want automatic syncing | 12:54 |
| svip | Which version of Android does the Android support pretend to be? Or rather, which version does it support? | 12:57 |
| PeperJohnny | 4.4 on jolla phone 1, jolla c and xperia x. 8.1 on xperia xa2 | 12:57 |
| svip | OK. Then I guess I can't use this app, it apparently requires at least version 5.0. | 12:58 |
| svip | I have an Intex, I've turned into a Jolla C. | 12:58 |
| PeperJohnny | then 4.4 only =( | 12:58 |
| PeperJohnny | jolla phone is 4.1.2 | 12:59 |
| JulianF | What's a summary of Jolla/Sailfish's "native" support for "social network" connectors? Only FB and Twitter seem to be mentioned in the manual; are others provided or available? Most interested in Open ones like Matrix, Mastadon... | 13:00 |
| PeperJohnny | There is an app called tooter for mastodon. Matrix is wip as far as I know | 13:01 |
| JulianF | Particularly, interested in how the native "send a message" and "make a voice call" apps can work with external systems... Not so interested in ability install specific apps for specific services, although thanks anyway. | 13:02 |
| PeperJohnny | They don't | 13:02 |
| PeperJohnny | maybe xmpp, but I haven't tested it in ages | 13:02 |
| JulianF | Oh... ok. Thought I'd seen a hint somewhere, never mind. | 13:03 |
| JulianF | The contacts app / address book... I guess it is standard basic VCARD functionality? Nearly all of them are. I hope one day there will be one that adds real-life functionality like "A and B are C's children" and "A and B and C share the same address and landline number but have separate mobile numbers" and "D is an email newsletter, so don't ask me to fill in its surname and birthday"... I don't expect I'll find that here, | 13:09 |
| JulianF | was just something on my mind <rant finished="yes"/> :-) | 13:09 |
| JulianF | Anybody want to mention anything "new, exciting, advanced" that you found about switching to SailfishOS compared with Android? | 13:11 |
| JulianF | (Let me know if this is wrong place for such general chat.) | 13:11 |
| PeperJohnny | The gestures and general movement through the system felt a lot more fluid. But keep in mind I made the switch 2013 :D | 13:12 |
| JulianF | (I won't chat much after this. Just excited right now, having found a phone with SFOS on it I could buy.) | 13:12 |
| PeperJohnny | For which one are you going? | 13:13 |
| JulianF | Heh. Thanks. I'm prepared to get used to all that sort of UI differences and hopefully mostly will like it, from what I've read. | 13:13 |
| JulianF | XA2, SFOS 3. | 13:14 |
| JulianF | What about the Maps default app? Is it anywhere near the sophistication of OSMAND+? | 13:14 |
| JulianF | In general, I'd like to know if each of the "main" advertised apps are based on a well known FOSS or not. | 13:15 |
| PeperJohnny | Jolla recommends using here wego app. The sailfish alternative would be poor maps | 13:15 |
| PeperJohnny | the official maps app isn't available by normal means I think on the XA2 | 13:16 |
| JulianF | And the default web browser -- is it anywhere near Firefox -- or a really simple cut-down browser? And if I install Firefox (because I use it on desktop, so it will easily share my history, tabs, passwords, etc.) will that work well, e.g. easy to configure it as the default web browser for opening links from other apps? | 13:17 |
| tadzik | it's nowhere near it, unfortunately | 13:17 |
| PeperJohnny | the browser is based on firefox, but is a couple of versions behind | 13:17 |
| PeperJohnny | the android firefox works well enough though | 13:17 |
| PeperJohnny | the browser is open source though and you can contribute if you want to | 13:18 |
| PeperJohnny | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser | 13:18 |
| JulianF | In general, does Sailfish support replacing each supplied default app of each kind (browser, keyboard, sms, ...) with an alternative, or do all the nice integrations start to break down if you do that? I understand of course some of the nice integrations would degrade, but ...? | 13:19 |
| PeperJohnny | there are alternatives for browser and keyboard which work reasonably well | 13:19 |
| JulianF | I'm a developer, I can fix bugs and do small changes, but have no where near the resources to e.g. implement Firefox-sync support if the browser didn't already have that. (Just an example to indicate the scale of complexity I mean.) | 13:20 |
| JulianF | Thanks, all this is pretty helpful. | 13:21 |
| PeperJohnny | you're welcome | 13:21 |
| JulianF | I think I'm at the point where I'll buy it and try it, and maybe even stick with it. | 13:22 |
| PeperJohnny | The nice thing about the xperia way is, that you could return to android, if you don't like it | 13:22 |
| JulianF | If I ever find enough hobby time to do any development it'll be towards adding good integrated support for Matrix -- that's the Open future of popular IM, from what I've seen. | 13:23 |
| svip | Is it worth considering getting an XA2, if I have an Intex (Jolla C)? | 13:23 |
| PeperJohnny | @JulianF you can even get a free trial without android and such, if you want to test it first | 13:24 |
| PeperJohnny | the android stuff and text completion costs 50€ | 13:24 |
| JulianF | Ah, you mean flash /e/ or LineageOS onto the same (XA2) phone if really don't get on with it? Yes, I already checked it's in their supported devices lists, that's extremely helpful. | 13:24 |
| JulianF | Yes, I noted the trial and 50€ options. I don't have a suitable phone yet so am buying one anyway. | 13:25 |
| JulianF | svip: Depends what's important to you! | 13:26 |
| PeperJohnny | @svip I'm on a Xperia X, so can't tell. But the android support is out of beta now and it should be good I guess | 13:26 |
| svip | JulianF: What parameters are we considering? | 13:26 |
| JulianF | I don't know either what's important to you or what are the major differences you would get, other than Android 8.1 support. | 13:27 |
| svip | That's the main difference. Although, my Intex is showing significant signs of wear. | 13:27 |
| PeperJohnny | android 8.1 is the main argument, because more and more apps lose their 4.4 support | 13:28 |
| svip | It has three dents under the screen | 13:28 |
| PeperJohnny | also hardware is better than jolla c | 13:28 |
| PeperJohnny | There will be support for Xperia 10 soon according to the meeting logs. But no date when this will be official | 13:28 |
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| svip | Hmmm... | 13:31 |
| svip | I am not sure I want spend that much for a Xperia 10. | 13:32 |
| svip | The XA2 seems reasonable. | 13:32 |
| JulianF | I wish the likes of Jolla and /e/ (eelo) would partner. Jolla seems to be doing excellent Open phone-OS work, but no services (that's the message I'm getting here) while /e/ has recognized the need to set up Open services and single-sign-on for them (mainly just Nextcloud so far, which I don't think gets us far, but it's a start) but on the phone-OS side little more than selecting and re-branding. Together -- the great | 13:33 |
| PeperJohnny | Well the XA2 is a tad older and as said the support for xperia 10 is not official yet | 13:33 |
| JulianF | Open :-) | 13:33 |
| PeperJohnny | imho inbuilt support for the likes of nextcloud would do a lot | 13:34 |
| svip | I'll guess I just wait then, and find a different solution to my immediate problem. | 13:34 |
| PeperJohnny | there is support via cal/carddav for some things | 13:35 |
| PeperJohnny | but webdav is mainly missing | 13:35 |
| JulianF | If I buy a second-hand phone that "includes Sailfish 3 beta licence" (from early this year), will that licence be a "full" one and will Jolla be able to reassign that licence to me, do you think? I searched the support site questions, couldn't find info on that. | 13:35 |
| JulianF | I asked the seller too; no answer so far. | 13:36 |
| PeperJohnny | You'll have to upgrade the license to a full anyway or else it won't update android support and such. I don't know if the account is transferable to you | 13:36 |
| PeperJohnny | unfortunately together.jolla.com has problems at the moment and I can't look it up | 13:37 |
| JulianF | Thanks. | 13:38 |
| JulianF | Then I'll work on the assumption I'll need to pay an additional fee up to 50€. | 13:42 |
| JulianF | You've all been very helpful to me today. Thanks. | 13:43 |
| PeperJohnny | no worries, have some fun with sailfish =) | 13:43 |
| abstradelic | can I install Sailfish in Moto Z2 or Moto G2 ? | 13:44 |
| PeperJohnny | abstradelic: I don't know how often this list gets updated -> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris#Motorola | 13:46 |
| abstradelic | PeperJohnny: thank you | 13:48 |
| PeperJohnny | abstradelic: and since together.jolla.com has problems at the moment, I can't look up the other list. You might also ask in #sailfish-porters | 13:48 |
| abstradelic | PeperJohnny: okay | 13:48 |
| x2s | Hm. I wonder if it's normal that the bluetooth connection drops when the carrier connection gets interrupted | 17:16 |
| x2s | well, not all of the bluetooth stuff, just accessing the phonebook has hickups | 17:16 |
| x2s | weird behaviour | 17:16 |
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