| Malinux | juhaj: I have investigated a little and the app for tickets, just starts very slowly, and I think I can live with that. | 00:27 |
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| *** zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin | 07:01 | |
| tortoisedoc | martyone_ : there's also apparently an issue with systemv sems in sb2 | 08:02 |
| martyone | more concretely? | 08:03 |
| martyone | tortoisedoc: so regarding gcc upgrade, you need to also build and install 4.9 version of cross-i486-gcc and related packages https://build.merproject.org/package/show/mer:core/cross-i486-gcc Similarly for other archs. | 08:16 |
| martyone | after that you will need to run sb2-init in the root directory of the target, using the arguments found in ~/.scratchbox2/<target>/sb2.config | 08:19 |
| martyone | check sb2-init usage in /usr/bin/sdk-manage for more details | 08:20 |
| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS community #mer-meeting <- /join this channel in 10mins | 08:50 |
| *** frinring_ is now known as frinring | 09:03 | |
| tortoisedoc | martyone_ : awesome, thanks | 09:12 |
| tortoisedoc | martyone_ : the path mapping of systemv semaphores (created under /dev/shm) is somehow not working properly | 09:12 |
| tortoisedoc | the semaphores are created but not correctly linked to the counterpart created by sb2 under the session's tmp dir | 09:13 |
| tortoisedoc | cause apparently unliking the sb2 counterpart from /tmp does not release the sem under /dev/shm | 09:13 |
| ViGe | tortoisedoc: the community irc meeting is going on in #mer-meeting, please join as you have asked questions... | 09:13 |
| tortoisedoc | ViGe : thanks | 09:32 |
| Thaodan | should I use Qt.labs.settings or a nemo plugin for qml settings? | 13:24 |
| Ljocht | Hi! Two days ago I update Jolla to 3.0.1.11, but now I have problems with openrepos. I have error "File ./drpms/geoclue-provider-here-0.0.17-1.2.4.jolla blah blah" not found on medium store.repository.jolla.com/releases/3.0.1.11/jolla-hw | 14:39 |
| Ljocht | what's a problem | 14:39 |
| leszek | Ljocht: out of date repo list. Refresh it via terminal command: devel-su pkcon refresh | 14:53 |
| Ljocht | thanks | 15:00 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | anyone else getting 403 for the XA2 free trial image ? | 18:28 |
| dannysantos | hi sailfishers. Would like to know if you can install f-droid apps on community sailfish os? | 18:51 |
| dannysantos | thank you | 18:51 |
| tadzik | there is no android support on community sailfish, so not really :/ | 18:51 |
| dannysantos | are there any replacement of google maps in the sailfish app store? | 18:52 |
| tadzik | well, Pure Maps is a decent mapping/navigation native app, but I wouldn't say it compares to google maps in terms of polish and feature set | 18:53 |
| tadzik | Here Maps goes pretty close imo, but that's an android app again | 18:53 |
| dannysantos | I know Maps | 18:54 |
| dannysantos | so Maps doesn't work on sailfish community os, is that what you said? | 18:54 |
| tadzik | what is Maps? | 18:54 |
| dannysantos | Maps is a f-droid app similiar to google maps | 18:55 |
| tadzik | hm, I've never used that | 18:55 |
| dannysantos | what did you mean by " Here Maps goes pretty close imo, but that's an android app again" | 18:55 |
| dannysantos | ? | 18:56 |
| tadzik | I think it is quite similar to google maps in terms of quality, but it's an android app so you need the paid sailfish to be able to use it | 18:56 |
| tadzik | as there is no android support on the community sailfish | 18:56 |
| dannysantos | alright | 18:56 |
| dannysantos | I love the UI, would like to ditch android spying, but the price tag for sailfish X is too high for me | 18:57 |
| tadzik | ah :/ | 18:57 |
| dannysantos | and still I have no proof that sailfish is not spying on me since it is closed source project | 18:58 |
| tadzik | well, you either pay with your € or with your privacy these days | 18:58 |
| tadzik | fair enough, yeah | 18:59 |
| dannysantos | yes, I know this sad truth | 18:59 |
| dannysantos | :/ | 18:59 |
| tadzik | but I'd rather give money to a company that makes money selling products, rather that one that makes money selling people effectively | 18:59 |
| dannysantos | the team could make the project open source so that it is transparent and can be proofed to be privacy friendly | 19:01 |
| dannysantos | since proprietary stuff seem to be the place where spying can happen undetected | 19:02 |
| dannysantos | my opinion, maybe wont be of much value to some, but I believe my thinking is reasanobly well grounded | 19:03 |
| tadzik | yeah, the users would sure love that, but the shareholders not so much: and they are the ones paying jolla's bills | 19:04 |
| dannysantos | people main cause of ditching android is gonna be about spying, so that may be your biggest market niche | 19:05 |
| tadzik | the problem is, it's hard to make money giving stuff away for free | 19:05 |
| dannysantos | I know | 19:05 |
| tadzik | and people who pay jolla's staff see open sourcing things as giving away their assets | 19:05 |
| dannysantos | was meego bought by you jolla or its shareholders? | 19:06 |
| tadzik | I don't think anyone bought meego | 19:06 |
| dannysantos | well, that way shareholders shouldn't have much saying since joola source base was given for free, not by shareholders money | 19:07 |
| dannysantos | the way I see it is that sailfish will died and be forgotten as another great project that people would love to use | 19:08 |
| dannysantos | that none will know about in the future | 19:09 |
| tadzik | heh, if it dies I think people will still praise it years after, having forgotten about it's flaws and shortcomings :P Just like with maemo and meego | 19:09 |
| dannysantos | well, if it dies your team won't receive any money | 19:10 |
| dannysantos | so it would be a sad thing, been the cause a stubburness of not being open source | 19:10 |
| dannysantos | since open source would make claims of privacy into proof of privacy | 19:11 |
| dannysantos | and the sailfish team would be able to appeal to the "ditch android because of spying, I have a better alternative" market share | 19:12 |
| dannysantos | and for what I saw, sailfish is really a better alternative | 19:12 |
| dannysantos | the UI is so beautiful that that is what people love | 19:13 |
| tadzik | it's not my team, I'm not part of jolla ;) | 19:14 |
| dannysantos | alright tadzik :D | 19:14 |
| dannysantos | well, I believe that the team should listen to this arguments | 19:15 |
| dannysantos | maybe some will read it (been too optimistic) | 19:15 |
| tadzik | well the team doesn't get to make all the decisions, unfortunately | 19:16 |
| dannysantos | is it possible for a project to die, and then end up being open-sourced? | 19:17 |
| tadzik | I'm sure they mean the best though :) | 19:17 |
| tadzik | eh, when has that ever happened? :) | 19:17 |
| dannysantos | yes, I believe too. it shows on their project the good efforts | 19:17 |
| dannysantos | don't know, maybe unix, not really sure | 19:18 |
| dannysantos | money really is the root of all evil. On a fair world this project would shine | 19:20 |
| dannysantos | being so focus on money makes some really good things die | 19:21 |
| dannysantos | not that sailfish is dead, but it should be more alive | 19:21 |
| tadzik | I hope that the purism phone will force some action out of jolla eventually | 19:22 |
| tadzik | things have seemed quite... asleep for quite a while | 19:22 |
| dannysantos | what is purism phone? | 19:22 |
| tadzik | they're trying to make a phone where you have full control of the hardware and they're making the OS fully opensource: https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ | 19:23 |
| tadzik | I'll believe it when I see it, but it at least looks promising | 19:23 |
| dannysantos | yes | 19:25 |
| dannysantos | librem 5 has a huge price tag | 19:25 |
| dannysantos | not for the middle class and below | 19:26 |
| tadzik | well, it's a huge undertaking and will probably not sell all that many units, it needs to balance itself out somehow | 19:26 |
| dannysantos | goshhh, why do the proprietary phones rule so much!? I'm a bit sad | 19:27 |
| dannysantos | I want to believe there is an end to the android tracking your position and spying your conversations | 19:28 |
| tadzik | there is: stop using android :P Easier said than done though | 19:29 |
| tadzik | you kind of have to become a technological amish and choose to use inferior stuff | 19:29 |
| dannysantos | yes, if only I lived in a place where all the people would do that and didn't focus so much on their cyber identities | 19:30 |
| dannysantos | then it would be much easier | 19:30 |
| dannysantos | still I believe in the advantages of technology | 19:31 |
| dannysantos | just don't like the tracking spying part of that (which is a part that can be removed) | 19:31 |
| dannysantos | been removed would be fine for me | 19:32 |
| dannysantos | I would ramble on irc :D | 19:32 |
| dannysantos | I wouldn't ramble on irc :D | 19:33 |
| tadzik | hehe | 19:33 |
| tadzik | isn't that the fun in life? :P | 19:33 |
| dannysantos | thats what I meant | 19:33 |
| dannysantos | lool | 19:33 |
| dannysantos | tadzik, your funny.... but no its not fun being to watch closely your guard | 19:34 |
| tadzik | it's a constant struggle | 19:35 |
| dannysantos | yes, since roman empire that power is been the main focus of human mind | 19:36 |
| dannysantos | have you ever hear latin?? | 19:36 |
| tadzik | nothing more than one sentence every now and then, no | 19:37 |
| dannysantos | to me, it truly sounds like I want to seek more power language | 19:37 |
| tadzik | heh | 19:37 |
| dannysantos | not like sanskrit | 19:37 |
| dannysantos | which for me its beautiful | 19:37 |
| dannysantos | and italian is also beautiful for me, oddly enough | 19:38 |
| dannysantos | new motto of the place that I want to live... gather up, mediate and use crypto-currency to not fuck up what we have | 19:39 |
| dannysantos | :D | 19:39 |
| dannysantos | everyone should have their necessities meet and with the time that we have we can dedicate to building free (non spying) creative stuff | 19:41 |
| dannysantos | to sum up my rambling, open source sailfish os and keep it up for generations ;) | 19:43 |
| dannysantos | hearing the non-bold stakeholders will only sink the ship | 19:45 |
| dannysantos | sorry guys, I'm right but got too carried away | 19:47 |
| dannysantos | will shut up now | 19:47 |
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