| *** SpeedEvil is now known as Guest30245 | 00:05 | |
| *** BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil | 00:10 | |
| *** frinring_ is now known as frinring | 02:28 | |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: if the booptloader is unlocked you should see a orange message when booting the device | 05:06 |
|---|---|---|
| dragonchaser | Saying "this device can not be trusted... Blablabla" | 05:07 |
| flav0r | yeah i think im good to go | 05:41 |
| flav0r | right now im just updating android to the minimum level | 05:42 |
| flav0r | is it worth shelling out the $60 or so for sailfish x ? | 05:42 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: i switched two weeks ago and I do not want to go back. | 06:03 |
| dragonchaser | in the beginning you will need the sailfish x version to have time to migrate from your android apps | 06:03 |
| flav0r | oh i dont use android | 06:04 |
| dragonchaser | (and of course if you need exchange support) | 06:04 |
| flav0r | i just got this phone to try it out | 06:04 |
| dragonchaser | ic well your choice | 06:04 |
| dragonchaser | guaranteed updates for one year is the other perk... | 06:04 |
| flav0r | hmm whatdo you mean ill need sailfish x to migrate | 06:05 |
| flav0r | are you saying i can just install regular sailfish ? | 06:05 |
| dragonchaser | to migrate from android apps | 06:05 |
| DylanVanAssche | I have Exchange Support enabled to sync my schedule and e-mails from the university. Android Support is only in use for ProtonMail and Firefox | 06:05 |
| flav0r | or is the only option to use sailfish x with this sony xperia | 06:05 |
| dragonchaser | I use android only for osmand and firefox from time to time | 06:05 |
| dragonchaser | tbh the builtin browser is not that good | 06:05 |
| flav0r | i used it some time ago with a nexus 4 | 06:06 |
| flav0r | sailfish that is | 06:06 |
| DylanVanAssche | Sailfish X is Sailfish OS for Xperia devices, it's just a brand name. You can install the community version (without Android Support, Exchange and XT9) or the licensed one (the same but with the components where Jolla has to pay for) | 06:06 |
| flav0r | hmm and where might some instructions for that be | 06:07 |
| flav0r | what ive found seems to want to steer me along the path of paying | 06:07 |
| DylanVanAssche | I don't have the instructions for it, people at the #sailfishos-porters channel might be able to help you. There's a chance that you need to build the image yourself, I don't know :p | 06:09 |
| flav0r | oh man | 06:09 |
| flav0r | i wonder why people are hell bent on makign EVERYTHING confusing | 06:15 |
| flav0r | sailfish OS 3 … current version 2.2.1 | 06:15 |
| flav0r | lol wtf | 06:15 |
| DylanVanAssche | Bumping the release to 3.0.0 shows to potential manufactures: Hey, look our platform is already in it's 3rd generation, much more mature than before (which really is, in 2014 when I start using SFOS, some features were missing. That gap is pretty closed by now for at least) | 06:17 |
| xenu | does sailfish 3 have a working web browser? | 06:21 |
| xenu | by "working" i mean non-ancient | 06:21 |
| DylanVanAssche | xenu: Curious about that as well... | 06:24 |
| flav0r | cant believe i just spent $60 on a mobile OS !! | 06:50 |
| flav0r | :/ | 06:50 |
| r0kk3rz | why? | 06:52 |
| flav0r | save time ! | 06:55 |
| flav0r | and im rich | 06:56 |
| flav0r | so who cares | 06:56 |
| Mister_Magister | this bitch is rich xD no offence | 06:57 |
| tadzik | spending money on a mobile OS is a world I'd like to live in | 06:57 |
| Mister_Magister | yee | 06:57 |
| tadzik | where buying a device doesn't lock you in on particular software | 06:57 |
| Mister_Magister | in fact you are not paying for OS | 06:58 |
| Mister_Magister | and in fact you pay for android when you are buying device | 06:58 |
| flav0r | and who knows | 06:58 |
| flav0r | maybe that $60 will keep this whole project alive for an extra hour or so ! | 06:58 |
| r0kk3rz | flav0r: i hope you like it | 06:58 |
| flav0r | if i do i do | 06:59 |
| flav0r | if i dont i dont | 06:59 |
| Mister_Magister | in sfos you are rather paying for support and alien | 06:59 |
| flav0r | the wold will keep spinning ! | 06:59 |
| flav0r | world | 06:59 |
| * Mister_Magister earth is slowing down in spinning tbh | 06:59 | |
| flav0r | stop eating dude | 06:59 |
| flav0r | is all the hardware working now on xperia ? | 07:00 |
| flav0r | i read it wasnt yet | 07:00 |
| flav0r | which is kinda lame ! | 07:00 |
| dragonchaser | what is not working according to your sources? | 07:00 |
| flav0r | bluetooth | 07:01 |
| flav0r | i just read it online | 07:01 |
| flav0r | was from quite a few months back | 07:01 |
| flav0r | maybe its all good to go now! | 07:01 |
| dragonchaser | it is working | 07:01 |
| flav0r | interestingly … i dont actually use bluetooth much | 07:01 |
| dragonchaser | I am using it all the time, car, headphones, speakers | 07:01 |
| flav0r | except for apps i write myself | 07:01 |
| Mister_Magister | i want jolla to get device with roma chip xD | 07:01 |
| dragonchaser | roma? | 07:02 |
| Mister_Magister | si | 07:02 |
| tadzik | the one that goes into sleep mode every afternoon? ;) | 07:02 |
| dragonchaser | -v? | 07:02 |
| flav0r | same dudes on the other channel | 07:03 |
| flav0r | hah | 07:03 |
| tbr | does it come with a nero companion chip that sets it on fire? ;-) | 07:03 |
| tadzik | and the FPU is a horse | 07:03 |
| r0kk3rz | :D | 07:03 |
| dragonchaser | have you found my weed-stash again? | 07:04 |
| chriadam | it's worth noting that Bluetooth is not a single thing, but rather a suite of protocols and profiles for different types of devices. So, some individual devices may not work properly with SFOS while others work perfectly, depending on the specific versions of the Bluetooth profiles required, and quirks of the implementation in SFOS. | 07:04 |
| flav0r | its also not blue | 07:04 |
| chriadam | please report any issues you find so that they can be prioritised and fixed | 07:04 |
| tbr | bluetooth is pandoras box, best left closed and ignored | 07:05 |
| r0kk3rz | its ok, you just need to backport the latest kernel drivers | 07:06 |
| Mister_Magister | tbr: lol | 07:07 |
| Mister_Magister | i want my roma chip up tho :C | 07:07 |
| Mister_Magister | i didnt buy bt car radio for nothing | 07:07 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: backporting to 4.9 kernel will be hard? xD | 07:07 |
| flav0r | im sick of hearing about paul allens death | 07:08 |
| Mister_Magister | about who? | 07:08 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: then just turn of you devices and let them rest for a couple of days | 07:09 |
| dragonchaser | Mister_Magister: cofounder of microsoft | 07:09 |
| Mister_Magister | dont know him | 07:09 |
| leszek | you are too young little padawan | 07:09 |
| leszek | :P | 07:09 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: yes master | 07:10 |
| leszek | There is a good movie called Silicon Valley Story. Not 100% accurate but impressive little movie that explains the history around MS and Apple | 07:10 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: btw 5z got 2 developers that are working on lineage 18 now | 07:11 |
| leszek | oh actually in english it is called "Pirates of Silicon Valley" | 07:12 |
| leszek | Mister_Magister: nice. Very nice :) | 07:12 |
| flav0r | whats linage 18 | 07:12 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: i will have go back to 17 but its rather doable | 07:12 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: android rom | 07:12 |
| Mister_Magister | more doable than going forward | 07:12 |
| dragonchaser | most famous atm | 07:12 |
| flav0r | i have no clue! | 07:12 |
| dragonchaser | btw is there a community port for the jelly pro? | 07:13 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: cause they decided there is no point in doing 17. and also they said that porting for 5z is pita | 07:13 |
| flav0r | interesting that you dudes talk quite a bit | 07:14 |
| Mister_Magister | ? | 07:14 |
| flav0r | the other channels i am in are pretty much quiet | 07:14 |
| Mister_Magister | this one is too | 07:14 |
| flav0r | must be my charm | 07:14 |
| leszek | the channels are for talking. So I don't see a problem with it | 07:15 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: irc is not that popular anymore, most ppl tend to use hipster crap like slack, rocketchat, riot etc | 07:15 |
| dragonchaser | there are fights going on about this in many companies | 07:16 |
| xenu | slack doesn't really compete with irc, it's for closed communities | 07:16 |
| xenu | these days the biggest competitor of irc is discord | 07:16 |
| dragonchaser | xenu: also hipster crap :D | 07:17 |
| xenu | yeah, anyway irc is doing well | 07:17 |
| leszek | yeah still used also in the company I work for :) | 07:18 |
| dragonchaser | sure, the usual argument is just "doesn't work (well) on my mobile" | 07:18 |
| Mister_Magister | when i want help from some community i go to irc i always find help there | 07:18 |
| xenu | http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/freenode/ | 07:18 |
| Mister_Magister | like have problem with some software and google <software> irc | 07:18 |
| xenu | >During last connections to freenode its servers reported an average of 84312 users and 47698 chat rooms | 07:18 |
| leszek | granted for mobile and events we also use telegram mostly | 07:18 |
| dragonchaser | i do not trust telegram | 07:18 |
| flav0r | not popular huh | 07:19 |
| flav0r | how long you guys been on irc for ? | 07:19 |
| dragonchaser | I mostly use irc, matrix(usually via weechat) and signal | 07:19 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: late 90s | 07:19 |
| leszek | I am also not 100% happy with it as it uses a closed server and I don't know what they do with our data. But what can I do. I can't force switch everyone to use Signal | 07:19 |
| flav0r | n00b | 07:19 |
| dragonchaser | leszek: signal in groups has severe flaws, the message confirmations do not work reliable, if someone is on mobile data and has bad reception it will duplicate messages and it will flood the channel | 07:20 |
| Mister_Magister | dragonchaser: same as my existence | 07:20 |
| Mister_Magister | i started existing in late 90s | 07:20 |
| dragonchaser | Mister_Magister: I am feeling old now :D | 07:21 |
| leszek | dragonchaser: oh I did not know about. Thx for notifying me about it. I only used signal for PMs so far | 07:21 |
| Mister_Magister | dragonchaser: im feeling young | 07:21 |
| Mister_Magister | everbody on irc is like 30+ with kids | 07:21 |
| xenu | Mister_Magister: ah, i though you meant it has severe flaws | 07:21 |
| dragonchaser | well but I have seen sco at its peak... so I have this going for me :D | 07:21 |
| xenu | thought* | 07:21 |
| dragonchaser | leszek: for that purpose it is fine | 07:21 |
| leszek | yep | 07:21 |
| chriadam | <insert comment about `screen` and `ytalk` and the luxurious length of my neckbeard> | 07:22 |
| Mister_Magister | ill spoil something to you telegram signal irc they all are same insecure | 07:22 |
| dragonchaser | chriadam: tmux ftw :D | 07:22 |
| leszek | Still if I had the choice either use telegram or whatsapp I would choose telegram for sure | 07:22 |
| flav0r | 1992 for me :| | 07:22 |
| dragonchaser | Mister_Magister: for groups it does not matter, always assume that group conversations are public and insecure | 07:22 |
| Mister_Magister | yes | 07:22 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: irc in '92 *doubt* | 07:22 |
| leszek | Mister_Magister: then show me the security issue in within Signal. And nope the webapp, shipping whole browser to provide a desktop app does not count | 07:23 |
| flav0r | true story dude | 07:23 |
| Mister_Magister | for private go use tox or retroshare | 07:23 |
| dragonchaser | Mister_Magister: jabber with otr | 07:23 |
| Mister_Magister | nah | 07:23 |
| Mister_Magister | tox with retroshare | 07:23 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: how old are you? | 07:23 |
| Mister_Magister | or* | 07:23 |
| leszek | ah ok talking about group chats. Yeah the assumption that they are unsecure and what you write is basically public is 100% true | 07:23 |
| flav0r | you gonna send me birthday cards dude? | 07:23 |
| flav0r | lol | 07:23 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: i cant trust something that has closed source | 07:23 |
| * Mister_Magister doesnt trust linux | 07:24 | |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: nah, with the age I assume for you, I am thinking more of a wheelchair :D | 07:24 |
| flav0r | im still in my prime dude ! | 07:24 |
| flav0r | more or less | 07:24 |
| dragonchaser | :D | 07:24 |
| leszek | Mister_Magister: I know another guy that has the same issue. Maybe I am getting just old but I think you can't check every piece of code of anything you are using and ultimatively you have to trust the developer/company or whoever wrote that piece of software | 07:25 |
| dragonchaser | I hate the java ecosystem... | 07:25 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: but when source is open its more likely that someone other would find that | 07:25 |
| leszek | dragonchaser: I think we can agree that the majority hates Java | 07:25 |
| dragonchaser | leszek: not the way I do... | 07:25 |
| dragonchaser | ever tried to package it? I mean not packaging java applications but java itself? | 07:26 |
| leszek | Mister_Magister: that is so true yeah that is the reason I like free software more and am willing to promote it | 07:26 |
| dragonchaser | and I thought php was a mess | 07:26 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: and also telegram's tos | 07:26 |
| leszek | tos = terms of service? | 07:27 |
| Mister_Magister | ye | 07:28 |
| leszek | at least it is plain english and understandable | 07:28 |
| Mister_Magister | see chat is quiet again | 07:39 |
| dragonchaser | Mister_Magister: oh noes..... | 07:39 |
| dragonchaser | we need a lorem ipsum bot :D | 07:40 |
| flav0r | device is flashing ! | 08:00 |
| flav0r | fingers crossed | 08:00 |
| flav0r | haha | 08:00 |
| *** ecloud is now known as ecloud_wfh | 08:04 | |
| Mister_Magister | flav0r: i flashed tons of devices countless times it has no longer that effect to me | 08:07 |
| Mister_Magister | its refreshing to see it | 08:07 |
| flav0r | ahha yeah i can imagine | 08:09 |
| flav0r | hmm now it says … booting .. OKAY | 08:09 |
| flav0r | finished .. total time... | 08:09 |
| flav0r | <waiting for BH9…..> | 08:09 |
| flav0r | its kind of hung there | 08:09 |
| flav0r | is it done .. or it just takes some time? | 08:10 |
| flav0r | just before it said booting it was downloading “boot.img”.. | 08:10 |
| dragonchaser | flav0r: does it boot? | 08:11 |
| flav0r | not by itself | 08:12 |
| flav0r | i suppose i could just unplug it and try to boot it | 08:12 |
| Mister_Magister | i wouldn't | 08:12 |
| flav0r | yah il just wait a bit | 08:12 |
| dragonchaser | be patient :D | 08:13 |
| Mister_Magister | flav0r: how are you flashing it? | 08:14 |
| flav0r | https://jolla.com/sailfishx-linux-instructions/ | 08:15 |
| flav0r | following these directions | 08:15 |
| dragonchaser | what device f5121 or f5122? | 08:15 |
| flav0r | so i downloaded the zip file from jolla | 08:15 |
| flav0r | f5121 | 08:15 |
| flav0r | and then i put the img file from sony in same folder | 08:16 |
| dragonchaser | flashed mine 2 weeks ago without any issues and no stops | 08:16 |
| Mister_Magister | flav0r: and run script or something? | 08:16 |
| flav0r | and ran flash.sh | 08:16 |
| Mister_Magister | ye | 08:16 |
| dragonchaser | did you download the file from sony? | 08:16 |
| flav0r | yah | 08:16 |
| Mister_Magister | and what do you see in window | 08:16 |
| dragonchaser | unzipped it? | 08:16 |
| flav0r | yah | 08:16 |
| flav0r | its a .img file inside | 08:16 |
| Mister_Magister | flav0r: what do you see in window | 08:17 |
| flav0r | https://pastebin.com/AXDipsHL | 08:18 |
| Mister_Magister | flav0r: did it boot? | 08:19 |
| flav0r | just sitting there at where it says … “waiting" | 08:20 |
| flav0r | and mno didnt boot | 08:20 |
| Mister_Magister | ye i know its waiting | 08:21 |
| Mister_Magister | and what is on device | 08:21 |
| flav0r | nothign dude | 08:21 |
| flav0r | just sitting there as it was during the flashing | 08:21 |
| flav0r | with the blue light | 08:21 |
| Mister_Magister | heeee | 08:22 |
| Mister_Magister | i think nothing bad will happen if you boot it | 08:22 |
| flav0r | good idea ! | 08:22 |
| Mister_Magister | i would just try holding power button | 08:22 |
| Mister_Magister | but | 08:22 |
| Mister_Magister | i never had xperia | 08:22 |
| * Mister_Magister motorolas are better | 08:22 | |
| dragonchaser | Mister_Magister: got a port for the moto g5? | 08:24 |
| Mister_Magister | no | 08:24 |
| dragonchaser | too bad :D | 08:24 |
| Mister_Magister | dragonchaser: i said motorolas not lenovo | 08:24 |
| flav0r | flashing again ! | 08:27 |
| flav0r | it got stuck at the SONY logo | 08:27 |
| Mister_Magister | sure retry is okay | 08:27 |
| dragonchaser | empirical studies :D | 08:35 |
| flav0r | actually where it says flashing oem partition | 08:37 |
| flav0r | downloading boot.img | 08:37 |
| flav0r | should it actually be trying to use SW_binaries_for_Xperia_AOSP_M_MR1_3.10_v13_loire.img | 08:38 |
| flav0r | or is that for another part of the process | 08:38 |
| dragonchaser | the flash.sh should care about that | 08:39 |
| dragonchaser | got the right privileges on this file? | 08:39 |
| flav0r | just regular user | 08:43 |
| flav0r | but yeah i renamed it | 08:43 |
| flav0r | and it shat itself | 08:43 |
| flav0r | so it took care of it | 08:43 |
| flav0r | hmm i wonder what the issue is | 08:43 |
| r0kk3rz | what did you do? its not that hard | 09:01 |
| flav0r | well right now im reflashing android via that EMMA tool ! | 09:23 |
| flav0r | now flashign again | 10:39 |
| flav0r | on a windows machine ! | 10:39 |
| dragonchaser | you are probably doing something wrong... my xperia x was running within 20 minutes | 10:40 |
| dragonchaser | (running as in all set up & ready to go) | 10:40 |
| leszek | yeah 30 mins it took here but because I messed up and was recording the screen aswell (so you can find it on youtube :P) | 10:42 |
| flav0r | no im not | 10:43 |
| flav0r | i did everything right | 10:43 |
| flav0r | im sure of it | 10:43 |
| dragonchaser | just out of curiosity... you bought an xperia x or an xperia x compact? | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | then why didnt it work ;) | 10:43 |
| flav0r | well you see dude | 10:43 |
| flav0r | i know i did it right | 10:43 |
| flav0r | because | 10:43 |
| flav0r | IT BOOTED TO SAILFISH ! | 10:44 |
| flav0r | yessss | 10:44 |
| leszek | :) | 10:44 |
| flav0r | and its an xperia x | 10:44 |
| dragonchaser | congrats... finally | 10:44 |
| flav0r | yeah man | 10:59 |
| flav0r | finally is right | 10:59 |
| flav0r | hopefully i dont get the itch to make some apps | 11:00 |
| flav0r | would destroy my available time | 11:00 |
| Mister_Magister | flav0r: dewit | 11:04 |
| r0kk3rz | you will, because there arent many apps | 11:14 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: actually there are | 11:15 |
| ol | dragonchaser (IRC): | 15:52 |
| ol | > irc is not that popular anymore, most ppl tend to use hipster crap like slack, rocketchat, riot etc | 15:52 |
| ol | It's even worse. I use Riot for IRC. This message is written in Riot. Matrix is the best IRC bouncer. | 15:52 |
| dragonchaser | ol: i know, riot is the way to bring people to irc without them knowing :D | 16:47 |
| DennisRoczek | heh | 16:49 |
| DennisRoczek | btw: does anybody know an irc client for sailfish which does not loose the connection when shutting the screen ("standby")? I mean is there any app with a daemon which leaves the connection open? | 16:50 |
| tbr | it's called "running a shell" and connecting to it either via e.g. mosh or running a bouncer | 16:51 |
| DennisRoczek | oh ok. i had used freeirc (or the like) but it is only useful when being on train and using the mobile for other stuff (so not reading a book or the like) | 16:54 |
| r0kk3rz | its called running a matrix client | 16:58 |
| r0kk3rz | you should try it sometime | 16:58 |
| depscribe | has anyone gotten xplanet-background to work with current sailfish x? | 17:22 |
| depscribe | and while we're at it, is there a way to control image scaling for home background image? | 17:23 |
| dragonchaser | r0kk3rz: which matrix client do you suggest? | 18:06 |
| r0kk3rz | dragonchaser: for sailfish? there isnt a great amount of choice | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | https://github.com/r0kk3rz/harbour-matrix | 18:08 |
| r0kk3rz | is the one i use | 18:08 |
| dragonchaser | thx will take a look at it tomorrow | 18:09 |
| ol | Also, you can user Riot-Web if you have Alien Dalvik. | 18:10 |
| ol | Sorry, I mean Riot-Android. But Riot-Web is also an option. | 18:10 |
| kimmoli | sailfish-communi proxied to irssi | 18:11 |
| rydare | my xperia is ded for all intents and purposes, press F to pay respects | 18:31 |
| tadzik | F | 18:31 |
| rydare | I could get it fixed but it's like 70% of buying a new one | 18:31 |
| rydare | i guess only 50% if i do it myself | 18:32 |
| rydare | but i have never done it before and don't have the tools | 18:32 |
| tadzik | it could be fun :) | 18:32 |
| rydare | the infuriatiing part of it is that it works perfectly like 50% of the time | 18:33 |
| rydare | 50% of the time parts of the screen don't work | 18:33 |
| tadzik | :/ | 18:33 |
| rydare | pretty sure i stepped on it because i don't have a beside table | 18:34 |
| rydare | i also stepped on my glasses before i started putting htem in a case | 18:34 |
| kimmoli | https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/tables/bedside-tables/nesna-bedside-table-art-70215525/ | 18:34 |
| rydare | kimmoli with the practical suggestion :P | 18:34 |
| flav0r | do you live in a tent dude? | 18:36 |
| rydare | no lol i just have a bed that is just a mattress right now, and i like having things close by | 18:37 |
| rydare | i could leave it at my desk but then it's hard to check the time in the morning | 18:37 |
| kimmoli | is this some feng sushi thing? | 18:38 |
| rydare | lol | 18:38 |
| rydare | no i just haven't got around to getting a boxspring and frame | 18:38 |
| rydare | i don't really mind the way it is now | 18:38 |
| depscribe | except for the part about it leading you to break things? | 18:50 |
| rydare | yeah more or less | 18:50 |
| depscribe | a really elementary question: is there decent sfos documentation i can d/l and read? i mean user docs. | 19:00 |
| mal | depscribe: what kind of information do you need? | 19:05 |
| r0kk3rz | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/categories/200115337-Product-Usability | 19:07 |
| mal | or https://jolla.com/guide/en/index.html | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | that looks a bit old though | 19:07 |
| mal | ok, could be | 19:07 |
| depscribe | yup, it's pretty old. i'm hoping to be able to do things such as delete the multitude of ambiances i don't want and to create icon launches for apps with commandline args, and such. | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | you can unfavourite ambiances to remove them from the drop down list | 20:17 |
| *** Renault_ is now known as Renault | 21:11 | |
| depscribe | Right, though I wonder at using up space on stuff I do not use and will never use, if that space can be freed. | 23:48 |
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