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| _sven | is there any way to check if a mail was send? any log or temp file if it was not send? | 08:33 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | ls | 12:11 |
| Mister_Magister | how to hide pageStack back page indicator | 13:46 |
| Mister_Magister | hello? | 14:30 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: backNavigation: false? | 14:44 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: or showNavigationIndicator: false | 14:44 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: thanks! | 14:44 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: that was directly in API documentation | 14:44 |
| Mister_Magister | oh… | 14:45 |
| mal | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-page.html/ | 14:45 |
| Mister_Magister | thanks | 14:45 |
| Mister_Magister | im stupid as always | 14:45 |
| mal | those options I gave do a different thing, not sure which one you want | 14:46 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: yeah i get it thanks | 14:47 |
| Leif_Erikson | Hello Sailfish friends. I'm looking for a way to implement a convergence use case with Sailfish OS. Does someone has an idea for the technical approach? | 15:24 |
| Leif_Erikson | Do you think, this would be possible? I also will ask the Mer community. | 15:24 |
| r0kk3rz | Leif_Erikson: do it with nemo | 15:28 |
| Leif_Erikson | I see, you mean nemo mobile? I heard it is based on Mer with and own implementation of Lipstick. Is this correct? I also heard, that the Glacier project is thinking about this usr case. | 15:31 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah pretty much | 15:31 |
| Leif_Erikson | I did already find a project page of Mer, but not of Nemo. Do you have a link for me? | 15:35 |
| r0kk3rz | theres not a lot on it - http://nemomobile.org/ | 15:37 |
| r0kk3rz | its easier just to talk to the guys in #nemomobile if you need anything | 15:37 |
| Leif_Erikson | Thanks, I'll do and check the homepage. What is the difference to Sailfish? An own Lipstick implementation and other basic phone apos? | 15:42 |
| r0kk3rz | lots of things are the same, but the homescreen and applications for sailfish are proprietary | 15:43 |
| r0kk3rz | nemo glacier is fully open source, and so if you want to hack around with convergence you'll probably need the opensourceness of glacier | 15:44 |
| Leif_Erikson | I see. My company is also in contact with Jolla. Let's see, but it looks like, that the concergece use case requeres modifocation on the Mer level. | 15:54 |
| Leif_Erikson | Does Nemo Mobile include Silica? | 15:55 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 15:55 |
| r0kk3rz | which is mostly the point | 15:55 |
| Leif_Erikson | Silica allows a very clean, minimalistic and beautiful Ui with transparancy. | 15:56 |
| Leif_Erikson | I love it | 15:56 |
| r0kk3rz | but if you want to put this into a commercial product, then certainly start the dialog with jolla | 15:57 |
| Leif_Erikson | Yes, there is an ongoing discussion. But it seems, that convergece is also quite new for them. | 15:58 |
| r0kk3rz | it'd be a fair chunk of work i think | 16:00 |
| Leif_Erikson | From communities other alternatives like Plasma Mobile I learned, that running respectively building desktop Linux could be difficult, because the SailfishvWayland version serms to be outdated. | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah we're working on getting that updated | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | its somewhat ironic, that sailfish was one of the early adopters of wayland but doesnt run the latest | 16:01 |
| mal | only thing preventing updating wayland is sdl | 16:02 |
| Leif_Erikson | Today, I read in a Telegram chat, that the Glacier oeople are thinking about the convergence use case. I will try to ask them. I think, tjey have their own channel. | 16:03 |
| Leif_Erikson | Meybe could use this approach for Sailfish, either | 16:04 |
| Leif_Erikson | I think, we could save costs to collaborate with Jolla, even if we need to pay license costs. | 16:05 |
| r0kk3rz | well, you'd have to pay jolla for the work | 16:06 |
| Leif_Erikson | Yes, they may be faster than hired developers. We realized, that its hard to find skilled developers for this topic. | 16:32 |
| Leif_Erikson | It's challenging. | 16:33 |
| schmittlauch[m] | Leif_Erikson: AFAIK Jolla is open to license Silica to other companies. | 16:34 |
| Leif_Erikson | schmittlauch[m]: Yes, and they seem to be very flexible on the commercial conditions. | 16:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Silica ? | 16:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | out of SailfishOS ? | 16:36 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Well the only experts outside jolla on this stuff is around here | 16:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 16:37 |
| schmittlauch[m] | One thing that has to be considered is that the Silica look might be a part of Sailfish's brand identity | 16:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | schmittlauch[m]: said that they were licensing silica | 16:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so I was wondering | 16:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, indeed | 16:37 |
| schmittlauch[m] | Sfiet_Konstantin: Well I said that to my knowledge that's entirely possible and I assume them to be open for requests. That's all I can say. | 16:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah ok | 16:38 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Hey SK, hows rust going? | 16:38 |
| schmittlauch[m] | First I don't know much more and 2nd I'm still under NDA from my trainee time at Jolla. | 16:39 |
| schmittlauch[m] | Leif_Erikson: If you haven't you could contact veskuh (Vesa-Matti Hartikainen) about that. | 16:41 |
| schmittlauch[m] | Although I'm still hoping that Jolla at some point open-sources Silica. Havin a paying licensee might be a motivation not to do it. | 16:42 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Yeah dont hold your breath | 16:43 |
| schmittlauch[m] | r0kk3rz: W<iting for them to put Silica open-source? I'd be dead already :\ | 16:46 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Exactly | 16:47 |
| schmittlauch[m] | All I want for christmas is Silica under LGPL*. | 16:48 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Christmas 2035 | 16:48 |
| schmittlauch[m] | *(and having the app UIs opened, too, especially th one not getting love right now.) | 16:48 |
| PureTryOut[m] | hey guys, since I've got my Jolla phone 4 or so years ago, I'vet yet to succesfully use roaming outside my own country. I made a topic about it on together.jolla.com half a year ago but got no response | 18:48 |
| PureTryOut[m] | now I'm in a differenet country again and I still fail to be able to use the internet (except for wifi) | 18:49 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ping | 18:49 |
| PureTryOut[m] | basically, the moment the network switches to one outside of my own country, the toggle option gets disabled. no matter the "roaming: always allow" option | 18:49 |
| tortoisedoc_ | can anyone read this? | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc_: nope | 18:50 |
| tortoisedoc_ | alrigth | 18:50 |
| PureTryOut[m] | can anybody help me out here? it's quite hard to navigate an unknown city when you don't speak the language and have no internet whatsoever | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is SfietKonstantin hanging out here anyomre | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | *anymore | 18:51 |
| r0kk3rz | PureTryOut[m]: i've done plenty of roaming with jphone and jolla c | 18:51 |
| abranson | tortoisedoc: yes he was here the otge | 18:51 |
| abranson | ^other day | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | sk was in here like 2 hrs ago :P | 18:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 18:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gotta love my timings | 18:52 |
| PureTryOut[m] | awesome, at least it means it isn't entirely broken on the Jolla Phone in general | 18:52 |
| abranson | PureTryOut[m]: that sounds like your sim saying no | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | PureTryOut[m]: is roaming something you need to activate with your carrier? | 18:53 |
| PureTryOut[m] | r0kk3rz: it was in the past, but I tried the same sim in an Android phone and it works fine there | 18:53 |
| PureTryOut[m] | so it seems awfully device specific | 18:54 |
| r0kk3rz | does it even connect to the networks? | 18:54 |
| PureTryOut[m] | yeah I can send sms and call people fine | 18:55 |
| r0kk3rz | ok so its probably some kind of apn issue | 18:55 |
| PureTryOut[m] | it's just internet that fails | 18:55 |
| PureTryOut[m] | well it's set to what my provider tells me to set it to | 18:56 |
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| PureTryOut[m] | that button (1 to the right of wifi) being disabled makes me think it just ignores the "Roaming: always allowed" setting | 19:05 |
| PureTryOut[m] | ^ | 19:05 |
| PureTryOut[m] | so, nobody knows what's wrong then? | 19:19 |
| mpol | PureTryOut[m]: what happens when you manually select a network? | 19:29 |
| mpol | https://together.jolla.com/question/187534/wrong-apn-for-salt-switzerland/ | 19:30 |
| mpol | no idea, just reading a bit. You could check this docs/issue | 19:30 |
| PureTryOut[m] | does it matter if "internet" is with a capital letter or not? | 19:33 |
| PureTryOut[m] | it seems to do not. also manually selecting a network doesn't make a difference | 19:35 |
| mpol | did you get the sms for settings on the android phone or the jolla? it only gets sent once to the sim | 19:36 |
| PureTryOut[m] | well that was a few years back, but I believe it was the Jolla phone | 19:38 |
| mpol | I don't really know anything about it. But the TJS topic might lead you somewhere | 19:39 |
| mpol | TJC | 19:39 |
| PureTryOut[m] | it does not sadly | 19:43 |
| PureTryOut[m] | they all talk about the APN, which is set correctly on my device | 19:43 |
| Leif_Erikson | schmittlauch[m]: I'm in contact with Sami and Marko. Who is Matti? | 19:46 |
| schmittlauch[m] | Leif_Erikson: well, they're also good people to talk to. | 19:47 |
| Leif_Erikson | PureTryOut[m]: Seems to be a carrier problem. I used sucessfulky my Intex Aqua Fish abroaf | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | Leif_Erikson: product manager @ jolla | 19:49 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Leif_Erikson: I assure you it's not, as like I said, it works out of the box on Android | 19:51 |
| Leif_Erikson | PureTryOut[m]: Maybe you are in a cou.try that doesn't support a network, that the phone can handle for roaming. | 19:51 |
| schmittlauch[m] | PureTryOut: Maybe the ofono logger from store can give some relevant information? | 19:51 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Leif_Erikson: Austria right now, but it didn't work in Germany or France either | 19:56 |
| PureTryOut[m] | I can't imagine any of those countries not working | 19:56 |
| Leif_Erikson | My Intex works fine in Germany and Sweden | 19:57 |
| PureTryOut[m] | schmittlauch: thanks I'll install it | 19:57 |
| PureTryOut[m] | schmittlauch: well the only "problem" I see in the log is "plugins/udevng.c: add_serial_device() Device is missing require OFONO_DRIVER property" | 20:01 |
| PureTryOut[m] | but I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it | 20:01 |
| schmittlauch[m] | PureTryOut: I'm no ofono expert, too. Maybe you can ask slava when he's back at work? | 20:04 |
| PureTryOut[m] | and when would that be? note that I'm obviously not outside of my country all the time, so I only have limited time to test each time | 20:04 |
| schmittlauch[m] | PureTryOut: probably next week at normal European working hours, in case he isn't on holidays. | 20:05 |
| schmittlauch[m] | When did the error message appear? (which situation) I try to reproduce that on my Jolla1 | 20:06 |
| PureTryOut[m] | yeah next week is too late, I'm back home by then | 20:06 |
| PureTryOut[m] | I don't know how to reproduce it sorry | 20:06 |
| schmittlauch[m] | I'm not in roaming though. | 20:06 |
| schmittlauch[m] | k. Still save the logs, maybe they're helpful later. | 20:06 |
| rydare | listening to Taylor Swift and flashing Sailfish | 22:11 |
| rydare | wooooooooo | 22:11 |
| rydare | does anyone have a OnePlus X? | 22:34 |
| mal | at least kimmoli and rinigus have one since they are maintaining it | 22:38 |
| rydare | thanks mal, i'm really impressed with all you do for the community | 23:32 |
| rydare | you're constantly helping out in -porters, and even have time to answer little old me | 23:32 |
| rydare | i found the trick | 23:33 |
| rydare | you have to flash 2.2.3 | 23:33 |
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