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| tom13 | https://havecamerawilltravel.com/photographer/fastest-microsd-cards/ maybe useful info for you | 01:41 |
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| rainemak | dcaliste, hi | 07:10 |
| rainemak | do you have something on your mind | 07:11 |
| dcaliste | Hello rainemak, nice to see you. | 07:11 |
| rainemak | ^ just realized that we have this meeting | 07:11 |
| rainemak | how's repo accesses? | 07:12 |
| dcaliste | I've sent back the signed paper to veshkuh and I'm waiting for instruction to proceed. | 07:12 |
| dcaliste | There was a missing paper, that I sent back yesterday in fact. | 07:12 |
| rainemak | ok, looking good in that front | 07:14 |
| rainemak | I'll add a note myself to prepare repo access from our end... should happen during this week | 07:14 |
| rainemak | do you have an account in bitbucket? | 07:15 |
| rainemak | you can e.g. email me (raine dot makelainen at jolla.com) your account id / email address that you're using at bitbucket | 07:16 |
| rainemak | I'll prepare access rights accordingly | 07:16 |
| rainemak | will add to my task list | 07:16 |
| dcaliste | Great, thank you. I'm looking at bitbucket now. | 07:19 |
| dcaliste | I didn't remember that I created a login already a long time ago, but indeed I've already an account. My login there is dcaliste. | 07:22 |
| dcaliste | I'm sending that to you by email. | 07:22 |
| rainemak | will take of practicalities during this week | 07:23 |
| dcaliste | Yes, thank you, when you have time, no hurry. | 07:28 |
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| JasonMD | Hi, I just got an Xperia X, want to install Sailfish X on it, the instructions mention updating the Android OS, it already meets the minimum, s/w number, is there any reason not to update it to the very latest version available? Thx | 09:01 |
| x2s | afaik you should be good to go. | 09:03 |
| JasonMD | so no need to update it further? ok thx | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | you'll find out if your oem partition isnt flashable | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz | which is the reason to update | 09:10 |
| JasonMD | ok thx, the android version is higher than the minimum specified in the Sailfish installation instructions, guess I'll find out when I try to flash it | 09:17 |
| x2s | JasonMD: there's one reason to update to the latest Android version | 09:18 |
| x2s | it may update the firmware of the baseband chip as well | 09:18 |
| x2s | which for now doesn't seem possible with sfx | 09:19 |
| x2s | I have strange problems with my baseband chip. Like if it loses the connection e.g. in an elevator, which is a good Faraday cage, I have to restart ofono to be get my connection back | 09:21 |
| x2s | so far I haven't heard from konchi(?) back what could cause this and how to fix it | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | you mean monich | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | in general for modemy issues you use ofono logger and send them in | 09:22 |
| JasonMD | ok,that's what I was wondering x2s, I just wondered if updating it may introduce an issue with installing Sailfish however | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | it shouldnt cause any problems | 09:23 |
| x2s | my mail was sent at 6th February ;) | 09:23 |
| x2s | havn't heard back :( | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | yes unfortunately for us jolla have had customer devices to work on instead | 09:24 |
| monich | x2s: sometimes you need to remind :) found yours in the mass grave of unanswered emails | 09:24 |
| monich | will check | 09:24 |
| x2s | monich: I don't want to bug you :) | 09:29 |
| monich | x2s: it looks like on 2018-02-05 you lost the network twice and both times the modem recovered, registering back with lte | 09:52 |
| monich | on 2018-02-06 at 12:01:20.337 you lose the data registration, voice technology drops to gsm but the modem still thinks that it's registered for voice (and apparently gets confused) | 09:52 |
| monich | and it more or less stays that way except that at 12:26:20.345 the voice tech gets upgraded to umts (but no lte anymore and no data registration) | 09:52 |
| monich | x2s: honestly I don't see any obvious problem with ofono | 09:52 |
| monich | you may be able to recover by switching the technology in mobile network settings but it's just as inconvenient as toggling the flight mode | 09:52 |
| monich | the modem behaves weirdly but it's voodoo magic for us :) we are isolated from it with rild and nothing suspicious seems to be going on at ril level, just as if you actually lose the signal | 09:55 |
| x2s | monich: I have no idea what I did back then. Usually I loose the connection, can't be called, can't use data, then I switch to plane mode and back to reset the modem/restart ofono | 09:55 |
| x2s | and I can trigger it by using an elevator | 09:56 |
| monich | x2s: let me know if you can recover by switching preferred tech e.g. to 3g and back to lte | 09:56 |
| monich | being registered for voice but not for data for too long may be used as an indication of some sort of trouble... | 09:57 |
| monich | and trigger some sort of recovery.. | 09:57 |
| monich | meh | 09:57 |
| monich | voodoo magic | 09:57 |
| x2s | you think it's the modem? | 09:58 |
| monich | or rild | 09:58 |
| monich | or both :) | 09:58 |
| monich | and we could be contributing somehow | 09:58 |
| tom13 | is there a text to speech that can output to a phone call? | 09:58 |
| tom13 | it is a silly idea, nvm | 09:59 |
| x2s | .oO( and yes, everything with a radio is voodoo. Ever listened to somebody who designs antennas? I don't know what they sacrifice, but it's good... ) | 10:00 |
| x2s | Is it possible to check the version of my baseband firmware and maybe update that firmware? | 10:05 |
| tbr | antenna design is a dark art and we don't like to talk about our rituals, so shush | 10:05 |
| x2s | there was a thread on together.jolla.com where several people complained about what sounded like my problem. I'm trying to find it | 10:06 |
| x2s | some claimed there that they fixed the problem by reinstalling android, upgrading it to the latest version and then going back to SfX | 10:07 |
| Thaodan | can you link that? | 10:07 |
| x2s | I'm trying to find it | 10:08 |
| Thaodan | it's very annoying. also the power usage it's radio is much higher compared too android. i found out disabling the modem during longer standby times decreases the battery drain by a great amount | 10:09 |
| Thaodan | are my messages posted twice? | 10:10 |
| x2s | .oO( I should start to make bookmarks of everything I find interesting or maybe useful... ) | 10:10 |
| x2s | Thaodan: no, you're fine | 10:10 |
| Thaodan | x2s: ok thana | 10:11 |
| Thaodan | than xomnhbu | 10:11 |
| Thaodan | communi bugs | 10:11 |
| x2s | here's a short list, but not yet the thread I'm looking for: https://together.jolla.com/question/170394/xperia-x-loss-of-mobile-network/ https://together.jolla.com/question/173695/phone-does-not-find-cell-network/ https://together.jolla.com/question/177574/mobile-network-issues/ | 10:16 |
| x2s | there it is. | 10:19 |
| x2s | User Spark: https://together.jolla.com/question/167343/mobile-network-gets-lost-and-is-not-restored/?answer=183568#post-id-183568 | 10:20 |
| x2s | for some reason they claim that switching back to Android (and using the modem for some time) fixes the problem. I have no idea why, except that the Android image makes an update to the baseband modem | 10:21 |
| tom13 | you people know how to see the id of current cell tower | 10:23 |
| tom13 | some android app can do it | 10:23 |
| tom13 | i would like 'switching to base station XYZ' notification | 10:24 |
| x2s | tom13: try SimScout | 10:25 |
| tom13 | x2s from openrepos? search didn't find it | 10:27 |
| x2s | It's in the regular store | 10:30 |
| tom13 | oh ty | 10:44 |
| tom13 | is there a way to get a notification when i get a GPS lock? | 10:44 |
| tom13 | i can look at modrana info screen every 30 seconds but a bell/beep would help so much | 10:44 |
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| yofuh | hi, can anyone give me a pointer what need to be done in 2.1.3.7 to make audio work for sip calls beside what's in https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ | 11:14 |
| tom13 | o want to get easy sip number in germany | 11:15 |
| tom13 | i | 11:15 |
| yofuh | i consider sipgate.de as easy | 11:16 |
| tom13 | ty | 11:17 |
| tom13 | can the telekom router send incoming calls on landline to a sep phone | 11:17 |
| tom13 | sip | 11:17 |
| cos- | anyone working on ring client? i think that would be the next gen sip replacement.. | 11:18 |
| tom13 | i just mainly dont want to get up when my home phone rings | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder if ring actually works yet | 11:21 |
| tom13 | will russians actually support sfos now? | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 11:22 |
| tom13 | investment? govt developers? | 11:22 |
| tom13 | besides NeKit who is a god among men | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | OMP is a russian team working on sailfish | 11:23 |
| tom13 | ooo | 11:24 |
| cos- | r0kk3rz: i haven't been able to make a single call with it, but the idea is good.. | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | cos-: hah! | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | their ui design is all about hiding features, so i never really looked beyond the alpha a few years ago | 11:26 |
| cos- | nothing to complain about the ui's (used android and linux clients) but it's a bit annoying that they don't work | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | for eg. to make a conference call, you drag one contact onto another contact | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | which kinda makes sense, its just not at all obvious | 11:29 |
| cos- | i'd be happy if normal user to user calls would work. matrix integration would also be really cool. | 11:32 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: but their youtube tips 'n' tricks videos are making them a fortune! | 11:32 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah tbh i like webrtc better for video conferencing shenanigans | 11:34 |
| cos- | and dht is quite smart idea. there's no server at all for ring, all clients act as one | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | in *theory* | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | in practice nodes dont connect, and you dont know why :) | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe one day when ipv6 takes over the world, dhts will just be magic | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but in a world with NAT, yeah... | 11:37 |
| cos- | as i said the idea is good, but it doesn't work :-) | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | but imo ring is too vertically integrated with DHT, for eg. you can pipe webrtc through ipfs to remove the need for the STUN/TURN servers | 11:39 |
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| tom13 | hi, how do i save a page from the browser? | 13:37 |
| tom13 | duckduckgo is a conspiracy against sailfish - no results | 13:38 |
| tom13 | google also | 13:41 |
| tom13 | sailfish browser "save page as" OR "save pages" OR "saving pages" OR "save web page" OR "saving web page" | 13:41 |
| elros | simply, you can't | 13:43 |
| tom13 | ty elros | 13:44 |
| tom13 | can i copy the current url from the urlbar? | 13:45 |
| elros | just select it and it will be copied | 13:46 |
| tom13 | but when i swipe the browser away to get to terminal, it gets deselected and i cannot paste to fingerterm | 13:47 |
| tom13 | good grief i have 600€ worth of sailfish phones | 13:49 |
| elros | what? press finger on url for 2sec | 13:50 |
| tom13 | then a window comes up from bottom with my bookmarkes | 13:50 |
| tom13 | and a little white dot on the right side | 13:51 |
| tom13 | now what do i do to copy to terminal? | 13:51 |
| tom13 | going to terminal shows no 'paste' option | 13:52 |
| tom13 | (Sailfish 2.1.0.11) | 13:52 |
| nyl | damn play store update :( | 13:52 |
| nyl | i always have to install the old play store so i don't get download pending | 13:53 |
| leszek | tom13: fingerterm has a paste option in its menu | 13:53 |
| tom13 | yes, that is greyed-out | 13:53 |
| tom13 | it gets active when there is text in the clipboard that can be pasted | 13:54 |
| leszek | tom13: try copying via webcat for example | 13:54 |
| tom13 | what is webcat | 13:54 |
| leszek | tom13: exactly | 13:54 |
| leszek | of course you can only paste if there is something in the clipboard | 13:54 |
| elros | tom13: you can copy any text in sfos by just selecting text (press 2 sec on particular text) | 13:54 |
| tom13 | there is no text in the clipboard after i swipe to fingerterm | 13:54 |
| elros | it can't be that hard | 13:55 |
| tom13 | can you do it? | 13:55 |
| elros | of course | 13:55 |
| tom13 | you have done it? | 13:55 |
| tom13 | i'll try on my other devices again, but .. | 13:56 |
| tom13 | i suspect it is getting deselected when i swipe browser away | 13:58 |
| leszek | tom13: use webcat as browser. It uses a "more hardcore" way to copy stuff to clipboard | 13:59 |
| mpol | tom13: first click the address/URL, then the bookmarks pop up. Then you hold your finger on the URL | 13:59 |
| tom13 | ohhh ty mpol, i didn't do that | 13:59 |
| mpol | yes, it's a two-step rocket :) | 13:59 |
| tom13 | webcat is on jolla store, openrepos, leszek ? | 14:00 |
| leszek | both | 14:01 |
| tom13 | that was an interesting example of communication problem | 14:22 |
| tom13 | "press url for 2 seconds" "i did, and it didn't copy" <disbelief> | 14:22 |
| tom13 | "no, you have to press it once, then press it again for two seconds" "aaaah" | 14:22 |
| tom13 | so it was correct to say press url 2 sec. but the state the browser had to be in was not specified. | 14:23 |
| tom13 | i have been on both sides of such communications many, many times | 14:24 |
| tom13 | sometimes these ended with threat of lawsuit, and intercontinental flights | 14:25 |
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| Trizt | anyone here know how to get the ssu/version update to run over the rndis0 device? | 16:16 |
| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/177728/internet-via-ethernetmicrousb/ | 16:21 |
| Trizt | thanks kimmoli | 16:29 |
| Trizt | I guess it's the static in the route that made the difference | 16:29 |
| martonmiklos | hi all, ping monich :) | 19:30 |
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| martonmiklos | hey all, | 20:40 |
| martonmiklos | is there any way to extend the SDK's QtCreator's code model search path to the build VM? | 20:41 |
| martonmiklos | I have the following problem | 20:41 |
| martonmiklos | I am working with a project which links to the commhistory-qt5 | 20:42 |
| martonmiklos | which devel package is installed on the build VM | 20:42 |
| martonmiklos | but the QtCreator is unable to follow the the includes from that library | 20:42 |
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