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| ohnonot | hello, I read somewhere that SailfishOS is NOT opensource; is this true? (of course i'm aware that there will always be a certain amount of binary blobs for drivers etc.) | 05:17 |
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| ohnonot | Also, I'm having a hard time finding the sailfishOS forums. is it this: http://together.jolla.com/ ? | 05:18 |
| TheKit | basically yes, middleware is open-source, but UI components are not | 05:21 |
| Tegu | and Jolla sells access to the source code [src:a finnish interview in Yle Puhe] | 05:25 |
| Tegu | you might also want to read this and some of the linked pages https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Open_Source | 05:25 |
| Tegu | like this https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SailfishOS_Source | 05:26 |
| ohnonot | ok, thanks. where are the forums? | 05:32 |
| tadzik | tjc you mentioned is the main one, there's also some activity on http://talk.maemo.org/ | 05:34 |
| tadzik | tmo is a bit less chaotic :) | 05:34 |
| ohnonot | thanks for the info. just to confirm, everything that is said about sailfishOS also goes for sailfishOS X? | 05:39 |
| ohnonot | and it's also still possible to purchase that and burn it on a used XPeria X? | 05:39 |
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| tadzik | yeah | 05:54 |
| tadzik | I think you may want to see if the used X is just the right model, f1521 or something like that | 05:55 |
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| ohnonot | tadzik, yes i saw that , and checked it; on ebay this actually seems to be the cheaper model. | 05:58 |
| tadzik | sweet | 05:59 |
| tadzik | I got mine for like 200€ or 250€ iirc, but brand new | 05:59 |
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| ohnonot | tadzik: "yeah" - ok, my question was sloppy, i will try to rephrase: | 06:09 |
| ohnonot | i read somewhere on sailfishos.org that it is "a full gnu/linux stack, a true alternative to android" - so sailfishos is clearly not android. apart from the kernel maybe? | 06:10 |
| ohnonot | and thios is what i want to ask about the sailfishos x for the xperia: it is NOT based on android? | 06:11 |
| ohnonot | it does not differ from the "normal" sailfish os? | 06:11 |
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| Gestra | "Sailfish X" just means Sailfish OS running on Xperia X | 06:18 |
| Gestra | and no, Sailfish is not based on Android. Though it does use some Android drivers | 06:19 |
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| tbr | and "android kernel" is really just "bog standard linux kernel, with some additional patches applied and then slowly massacred by SoC vendor, ODM and OEM | 06:23 |
| tbr | as others pointed out, significant parts of what makes sailfish, sailfish (UI, toolkit, core functionality) are closed source. | 06:25 |
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| Sailor4276 | how to install whatsapp? | 10:50 |
| Sailor4276 | first time use salfish | 10:50 |
| r0kk3rz | Sailor4276: you can download the Aptoide android store from the jolla store | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | whatsapp is in there | 10:51 |
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| Sailor4276 | cant find | 10:55 |
| Sailor4276 | not found.aptoide | 10:55 |
| leszek | its called store only I think | 10:55 |
| leszek | Sailor4276: on which device do you have SailfishOS running? | 10:55 |
| Sailor4276 | i.use.redmi 5 plus | 10:56 |
| leszek | Sailor4276: then it does not come with Android App support | 10:56 |
| Sailor4276 | sad | 10:57 |
| leszek | Alien Dalvik is only supported on official devices | 10:57 |
| Sailor4276 | browser name ? | 11:01 |
| Sailor4276 | no firefox or chrone | 11:01 |
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| flypig | Running sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator over my RPM, it tells me that I can't include executables in the /usr/share/lib folder. Is there any way to ship more than one executable in a compliant package? | 12:12 |
| r0kk3rz | https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 12:14 |
| flypig | r0kk3rz, thanks, I'd read through this and saw that the executable should be /usr/bin/<HARBOUR_APP_NAME>, but I didn't see anything excluding placing other executables in the RPM. Did I miss it? | 12:21 |
| r0kk3rz | there is something in there about including libs in the app dir i thought | 12:23 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, 3rd thing under shared libraries | 12:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | that or static link the libraries you need | 12:24 |
| r0kk3rz | most people tend to go the static link route i think | 12:24 |
| flypig | rokk3rz, this part? "Can I link against shared libraries which I ship with the app together in the same RPM? ¶" | 12:24 |
| flypig | rokk3rz, unfortunately they're not libraries I want to include but executables (they're console executables I run using QProcess) | 12:25 |
| r0kk3rz | ok right | 12:25 |
| r0kk3rz | then yeah just installing them in the app dir should be fine | 12:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah /usr/share/appname btw | 12:27 |
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| flypig | rokk3rz, that's what I thought, but I get a pair of errors for each executable: "ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-getiplay/bin/rtmpdump] ELF binary in wrong location (must be /usr/bin/harbour-getiplay)" and "ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-getiplay/bin/rtmpdump] File must not be executable (current permissions: 755)" | 12:29 |
| flypig | rokk3rz, maybe they need to go in "/usr/share/harbour-getiplay/lib"? I should try that. | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm, maybe the validator doesnt like it | 12:31 |
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| elros | it should be in /usr/libexec/appname/ to make rpm happy | 12:32 |
| flypig | rokk3rz, yep, the validator is definitely upset | 12:32 |
| flypig | elros, thanks, I'll give that a go. I fear the harbour guidelines don't allow for this though. | 12:32 |
| flypig | rokk3rz, elros, sadly "/usr/share/harbour-getiplay/lib/bin/" doesn't work either. I'll try /usr/libexec/harbour-getiplay | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | judging from the script it will error on all executables other than the main one | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | https://github.com/sailfishos/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/blob/master/rpmvalidation.sh#L618 | 12:34 |
| flypig | ro0kk3rz, nice catch. That's a shame though. | 12:35 |
| flypig | My understanding is that the script is The Law, but if I want to query this, any idea who/where best to approach? Would it be together.jolla.com? | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | dev mailing list is probably the best place | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | or talk to pketo_ here | 12:36 |
| flypig | r0kk3rz, thanks. I'll check the sailfish-dev archives and ask there if it's not come up already. | 12:37 |
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| nh1402[m] | r0kk3rz: now there's client side decoration in Firefox | 12:48 |
| r0kk3rz | that could be useful | 12:48 |
| r0kk3rz | if we can get it built | 12:49 |
| r0kk3rz | feel free to start packaging deps :P | 12:49 |
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| nh1402[m] | which deps | 12:59 |
| piggz_tablet | The csd in ff breaks my plasma5 desktop, its unusable | 13:01 |
| nh1402[m] | well in the case of Sailfish, don't we want it to not show anything | 13:05 |
| nh1402[m] | just show the tabs the url bar and the actual webview | 13:06 |
| piggz_tablet | True, I'm just venting my frustration over such unexpected change in behaviour after a zypper dup | 13:08 |
| nh1402[m] | I tried it on mint, and like you say it doesn't work well | 13:15 |
| nh1402[m] | I tried it on nightly and it uglified the window, it's slightly better now but still not quite there yet. | 13:16 |
| nh1402[m] | but it should be off by default though | 13:17 |
| nh1402[m] | like I just updated my work machine and the title bar checkbox in the customise section was unchecked, only checking that does it use csd | 13:17 |
| nh1402[m] | before the check box wasn't there at all in Linux | 13:18 |
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| piggz_tablet | Its on b ft default in t tumble weed , will find the option to turn it off! | 13:45 |
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