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| jpetrell | hello | 08:09 |
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| chriadam__ | hi | 08:10 |
| chriadam__ | don't think dcaliste is online yet | 08:10 |
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| jpetrell | yeah was looking for him in the nicks list | 08:10 |
| jpetrell | Venemo: are you here? | 08:10 |
| chriadam__ | no, he said he had to fill out some government forms / paperwork | 08:11 |
| jpetrell | ok | 08:11 |
| chriadam__ | I haven't had any time to look into the email signing stuff at all, either :-( | 08:11 |
| chriadam__ | but we should discuss getting the devicelock/lipstick stuff in, so we can integrate the secrets authentication plugin | 08:12 |
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| chriadam__ | because dcaliste neeeds that for the pinentry at least | 08:12 |
| chriadam__ | hi dcaliste :-) | 08:12 |
| dcaliste | Hello, sorry to be tahat late. | 08:12 |
| dcaliste | It's raining here, took my car and was block in the traffic. | 08:13 |
| chriadam__ | no worries :-) | 08:13 |
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| jpetrell | dcaliste: no worries, I also just arrived | 08:13 |
| dcaliste | I'm reading back logs. | 08:13 |
| dcaliste | Thanks. | 08:13 |
| jpetrell | Venemo has started working on sign and verify support for OpenSSL crypto plugin | 08:14 |
| jpetrell | couldn't participate now, has some errands | 08:14 |
| jpetrell | blam in the team is also helping with sailfish-secrets | 08:14 |
| dcaliste | Yes, I'm following this remotely on Github. | 08:14 |
| chriadam__ | currently I think RSA keys are supported. I suppose support for DSA and ECDSA keys still need to be added. | 08:14 |
| dcaliste | From my side, last week, I've finished the tests in QMF for S/MIME sign and verify. | 08:15 |
| dcaliste | It should work, waiting for complete validation with the complete stack, though. | 08:15 |
| dcaliste | This is in my smime branch in Mer gitlab. | 08:16 |
| jpetrell | great! :) | 08:16 |
| chriadam__ | dcaliste: by "complete stack" I guess you are waiting for us to integrate some things to devel? precisely which pieces are still outstanding? | 08:16 |
| dcaliste | I would like to test with the pinentry based on secret. But as you said before, I can test with a yes-pinentry, always returning the right passphrase. | 08:17 |
| jpetrell | our design is busy helping almost ready 2.2.0 features get missing design assets, but platform UI flows signing and authentication are next | 08:17 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: great to hear ! | 08:17 |
| dcaliste | I've also started at a very early stage to integrate decryption to PGP plugin in QMF. | 08:18 |
| chriadam__ | jpetrell: can we get the PRs from denexter merged already to devel, before the design is finalised? | 08:18 |
| chriadam__ | jpetrell: or is there some outstanding issues still? I haven't had time to follow up on that side of things unfortunately. | 08:19 |
| jpetrell | chriadam__: why not, mostly doesn't affect existing UI flows. I'll test it again today. | 08:19 |
| dcaliste | chriadam__: it's not necessary in a hurry. | 08:19 |
| chriadam__ | dcaliste: unfortunately it is on our side ;-) | 08:19 |
| jpetrell | chriadam__: last time I checked denexter hadn't fixed my UI polish comments | 08:19 |
| chriadam__ | jpetrell: ah | 08:19 |
| jpetrell | discussed with our PM veskuh that there shouldn't be issues with contribution agreement, just that people have been to busy to prepare the contract | 08:20 |
| dcaliste | We can postpone complete stack tests for later, especially even after the UI redesign. Currently tests in QMF ensure that it's more or less functional. | 08:20 |
| jpetrell | so should happen in coming weeks finally, *fingers crossed* | 08:20 |
| chriadam__ | I'll cross my toes too | 08:21 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: ok nice. | 08:21 |
| dcaliste | About QMF, PGP plugin was deeply reviewed and discussed with M. Vogt, but still waiting for inclusion. The S/MIME part make me factoring most of the code, so the S/MIME MR is based on PGP MR, while moving code. What do you think about review and inclusion process? | 08:23 |
| dcaliste | PGP MR: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/messagingframework/merge_requests/6 | 08:24 |
| dcaliste | S/MIME MR: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/messagingframework/merge_requests/14 | 08:24 |
| chriadam__ | jpetrell: is email signing support aimed for 2.2.1? I guess not 2.2.0 or am I mistaken? | 08:24 |
| dcaliste | About final delivery, QMF MRs should have no impact on production release without the nemo-qml-plugin-email modifications. | 08:25 |
| jpetrell | chriadam__: yeah not 2.2.0 unless it happens to mature early. 2.2.1 schedule is still open, not sure how many releases we do during summer. 2.2.1 could be signing, and 2.2.2 encryption. but encryption may get postponed by higher-priority work | 08:28 |
| chriadam__ | so my opinion about review and inclusion process for those MRs is that we should prioritise them for after we branch 2.2.0 | 08:29 |
| jpetrell | with so many moving parts I wouldn't mind merging enablers early if they don't cause regression to existing features | 08:29 |
| chriadam__ | i.e. aim for inclusion in dev for 2.2.1 | 08:29 |
| jpetrell | ok | 08:29 |
| chriadam__ | so, something like 2 weeks time, assuming the 2.2.0 schedule goes as planned | 08:30 |
| jpetrell | yeah | 08:32 |
| chriadam__ | dcaliste: is that ok for you? I guess that might delay your work a bit unfortunately, but don't want to introduce any potentially destabilising changes before 2.2.0 branch | 08:32 |
| jpetrell | though may slip be few weeks easily, we still have bunch of 2.2.0 issues unresolved | 08:33 |
| dcaliste | chriadam__: that's fine. I can work in branches. | 08:33 |
| dcaliste | I've removed the WIP tag to the S/MIME MR now that tests have been added. Anyone can feel free to begin review before inclusion when it fits to the release schedule. | 08:35 |
| chriadam__ | fantastic, thanks very much | 08:36 |
| dcaliste | About UI, I guess key management will be based on sailfish-secret? | 08:39 |
| chriadam__ | I expect so, although we need to consider e.g. public keys vs private keys, with the current ownership semantics | 08:41 |
| chriadam__ | that is, public keys we might want to be "world readable" as opposed to "locked" to privileged applications | 08:41 |
| chriadam__ | but let's see | 08:41 |
| dcaliste | So, it makes sense to develop more or less in the short term a GnuPG plugin to expose stored keys. | 08:42 |
| dcaliste | I can work on it in the coming weeks and propose a PR in Github. | 08:42 |
| chriadam__ | would the gnupg plugin talk to the secrets service? or would it just store to filesystem, or? | 08:43 |
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| dcaliste | GnuPG has its own storage for keys and X.509 certificates. With gpgme, one can read and modify this database. | 08:45 |
| chriadam__ | ok, cool | 08:46 |
| dcaliste | I don't remember if sailfish-secret has an API to list available public keys for instance. It would be good to have a GnuPG plugin to return through this API the contain of its own database, no? | 08:46 |
| chriadam__ | you can filter available keys based on metadata, from a specific collection | 08:47 |
| chriadam__ | yes, that woudl be very useful | 08:48 |
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| chriadam__ | that would also provide good validation for the API | 08:50 |
| chriadam__ | thanks for offering to do that | 08:50 |
| dcaliste | I'll keep you informed if I encounter incompatible API. | 08:51 |
| chriadam__ | I didn't have anything else for today - basically I haven't had any time to check the QMF stuff at all, and won't get a chance this week either I think | 08:51 |
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| chriadam__ | with any luck Venemo will get a chance to take a look later this week or early next week before the meeting | 08:51 |
| chriadam__ | jpetrell: did you have anything else? | 08:51 |
| dcaliste | That's fine with me also, working on decryption, and will start on GnuPG plugin for secrets. | 08:52 |
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| dcaliste | Just a word on another topic chriadam__, if you allow, I'm going to be off first week of April. Can you shift the CalDAV meeting to the 9th of April? | 08:53 |
| chriadam__ | dcaliste: can we make it the 10th of April? i.e. Tuesday, just before this meeting? | 08:53 |
| chriadam__ | or is that too early in the day for you? | 08:53 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell, chriadam__, the same, I won't be able to attent this meeting of April 3rd. | 08:54 |
| dcaliste | chriadam__: the 10th, maybe, I'll be in the train somewhere around Paris between 8.30 and 10.00. | 08:55 |
| chriadam__ | dcaliste: no problem, let's make it the 9th | 08:56 |
| dcaliste | In fact, checking my tickets, I'm arriving in Paris at 8.20 but I need to change station so Ican be easily online I think between 8.45 and 10.20. | 08:57 |
| chriadam__ | well, either day is probably ok. I have something on a bit later on monday evenings these days, so was wondering, but not an issue to keep it monday if needed | 08:58 |
| dcaliste | chriadam__: but I'm stupid, I'll be in the train between 4.20UTC and 7.20UTC with Wifi, so we can put the CalDAV meeting anytime there. | 08:58 |
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| chriadam__ | ah, great | 08:59 |
| chriadam__ | ok, I'll make it the 10th and will try to choose a time which will suit. we can discuss by email if I screw it up :-) | 08:59 |
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| dcaliste | Assuming other potential attendees can be online that early… | 08:59 |
| chriadam__ | I'll ask abranson | 08:59 |
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| chriadam__ | anyway, thanks again for your hard work and good communication - it's greatly appreciated | 09:00 |
| chriadam__ | I've got another meeting to attend so I won't be checking this channel for a bit | 09:00 |
| chriadam__ | same for jpetrell I think | 09:00 |
| chriadam__ | have a great evening! | 09:00 |
| dcaliste | Ok, thank you for attending this one, and good work fior the next! | 09:01 |
| dcaliste | I'm back to my DFT projector things… | 09:01 |
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| present | Hi guys! | 09:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | if you've got a data directory for downloaded information, would you expect that to be cleared when you uninstall the app? | 11:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : depends on the type of data? | 11:46 |
| tortoisedoc | as in, is it relevant even with the app gone? | 11:46 |
| tortoisedoc | (for example) | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | chat history, thumbnail images | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | oh, you arent supposed to have postun scripts anyway | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | ah the system might clear the .cache directory anyway, so thats not so bad | 11:52 |
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| leszek | hmm... every sailfishos sdk lately breaks everything | 12:13 |
| leszek | update that is | 12:13 |
| leszek | complaining about mersdk ssh keys cannot be created | 12:13 |
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| leszek | and now it deleted everything when I clicked abort :/ | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | lack of entropy? | 12:15 |
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| leszek | reinstalling now lets see if it works then | 12:16 |
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| leszek | ah now I executed the stuff in the terminal | 12:28 |
| leszek | seems my os is not supported anymore :/ | 12:28 |
| leszek | complaining about glibcxx_3.4.21 not found | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | not supported? | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | what are you running? | 12:29 |
| leszek | neptune 4.5 | 12:29 |
| leszek | debian wheezy based | 12:29 |
| leszek | it worked with the previous sdk though | 12:29 |
| leszek | now I need to downgrade in order to build stuff again | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt wheezy ancient? | 12:29 |
| leszek | it is an lts | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | ah ok | 12:30 |
| leszek | and was supported until now | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | well i guess the main thing is qtcreator | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | you can install the older sdk and manually update the build targets | 12:31 |
| leszek | the 1709 sdk still should work | 12:32 |
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| leszek | will need to update my system anyways as support is running out in may | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but its better to have the latest targets | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | which is easy enough to do | 12:32 |
| leszek | might be quite interesting though with as I need to reinstall and have a complicated raid setup | 12:33 |
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| tortoisedoc | I have a different problem; I cant access the emulator with the key (rejected) | 13:04 |
| tortoisedoc | and even regenerating the keys fails | 13:04 |
| tortoisedoc | (running debian 8) | 13:04 |
| tortoisedoc | (running standard debian 8) | 13:04 |
| leszek | tortoisedoc: same error message when trying to regenerate the key? | 13:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | leszek : yep | 13:16 |
| leszek | so even your debian is too old then :P | 13:16 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : regenerating works, but then deploying doesnt | 13:16 |
| tortoisedoc | (raises the error) | 13:16 |
| tortoisedoc | too old for w0t :D | 13:16 |
| leszek | ah. hmm... makes no sense then | 13:16 |
| tortoisedoc | theres still /dev/urandom iirc :P | 13:17 |
| tortoisedoc | i dont know, it happens only with the emulator | 13:17 |
| tortoisedoc | not with the jollac / xperia | 13:17 |
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| steve-marinos | Hello, I was wondering is this the official SFOS channel? | 17:19 |
| leszek | yes | 17:20 |
| steve-marinos | hi leszek, do you know when the version 3 will be released ? | 17:20 |
| leszek | autumn 2018 | 17:21 |
| steve-marinos | am curious since am a backer of the Gemini and I know that Jolla/SFOS will have support | 17:22 |
| leszek | there is no concrete date set yet and I think the rough goal is enough for now especially as we know Jolla is bad at really delivering a final version on a point date | 17:22 |
| kinkmaster | steve-marinos: what order number are you? thinking of getting one, but I only will have the money for it by the end of april | 17:23 |
| leszek | steve-marinos: so my guess for the gemini we will see a version in autumn | 17:23 |
| kinkmaster | but the code is available at github already, no? | 17:23 |
| leszek | official version that is. Maybe the community hacks on a version before | 17:23 |
| leszek | kinkmaster: I did not check that | 17:23 |
| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, my order number is 64** and in my speculations not before the end of april I would get my device if not further more | 17:23 |
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| kinkmaster | steve-marinos: I'm also waiting for the x25/x27 issue to be cleared. It's a shame they didn't make both usb c ports act the same. | 17:24 |
| steve-marinos | Yeah but am not sure how much of Gemini/SFOS is in development now hence my question for version 3 | 17:24 |
| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, I guess only the first batch "already delivered/pending" will get the X25 | 17:26 |
| steve-marinos | the next production should start next week according to PC reply to one of the backers, for almost 2k units, I guess this batch will confirm the X25 X27 units | 17:28 |
| kinkmaster | I hope so | 17:28 |
| steve-marinos | I guess it will be so, since PC is aware of it now and they wouldn't want to make more angry backers | 17:29 |
| kinkmaster | yea, but they also don't have much say in it when the factory screws them over | 17:29 |
| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, at least not for the backers sad for sure but lets hope that after this they will act accordingly and focus more on the unit production | 17:31 |
| kinkmaster | usually manufacturers don't have a contract directly with the factory, but with a middleman. also chinese laws are very protective of chinese firms, so they could probably really screw them over w/o any legal consequences | 17:31 |
| frinring | hi. I am trying to follow https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Tutorial_-_Building_packages_manually, but currently am stuck at being challenged that it seems not just cmake which needs to be manually installed. first there was complain about missing "make", next about the compiler, which seems strange given its the sdk. what could I have done wrong? did a clean download and install of the sdk before. see current command and log after having installed | 17:31 |
| frinring | make manually: https://paste.kde.org/peniyqfka | 17:31 |
| frinring | piggz: ^ getting my hands bloody now :) | 17:32 |
| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, lets hope for the best as what we were told that it is the factory that offered the X27 over X25 the first place and hope PC will make sure the gemini will live up to its specs | 17:33 |
| steve-marinos | like I said the next batch in production is next week, the next batch received by backers will tell us what is really going on | 17:33 |
| frinring | eh, was blind to all the parameters, and too much shell history line reusage: sdk-install -> sdk-build solved things | 17:35 |
| steve-marinos | do we know if any of the SFOS devs got a hand on a developer unit for further SFOS developing for the Gemini since it is confirmed to be supported | 17:35 |
| steve-marinos | I am hoping to dual boot SFOS debian and let go of android to be honest so am really curious | 17:36 |
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| kinkmaster | I hope someone builds a bootloader that loads up GRUB so you can just put w/e iso/image of OS on the SD card and GRUB automatically makes a boot entry for it | 17:39 |
| steve-marinos | jkwllppdl;cds1lpleoeoele,kw,kl,,,,e,el3pewlllleo3454lo3lollleooekoeopsspdplo3e3lo3p33-3-22o212;;;-rl3---0o-e3-2pp-p=p=[=p======p,..:fgCFR}"cf | 17:39 |
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| steve-marinos | sorry about the previous bla tying, my daughter took over while i was in the kitchen | 17:44 |
| steve-marinos | typing | 17:44 |
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| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, does TWRP do the job? | 17:51 |
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| kinkmaster | steve-marinos: no idea. I haven't messed around with TWRP since 2015 and so far I have not come across a phone that does dualbooting except the Nokia N9/N900 | 18:10 |
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| kinkmaster | which unfortunately is not officially supported by Sailfish OS :/ | 18:11 |
| kinkmaster | even though it was the last meego phone | 18:11 |
| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, Gemini surely dual boot but I guess so far it is using its own way to trigger bootloader using a dedicated key, I don't have the device so I am lacking the knowledge as I have not mess with it yet, so far I know that we will need a windows based OS hopefully further development will allow more ways | 18:14 |
| steve-marinos | to flash the images that is, | 18:15 |
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| steve-marinos | I seen a backer dual booting android and debian "the only available images so far" | 18:15 |
| steve-marinos | but debian is surely kind of a demo over anything else | 18:16 |
| steve-marinos | I don't believe SFOS image is available yet | 18:16 |
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| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, and the reason I did back up Gemini is because I missed my N900/maemo so much | 18:17 |
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| steve-marinos | was sad to see Nokia open source being shutdown and specially when I had a promise for the n950 which never reached retail | 18:19 |
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| machy | hey, am looking for a device running on #sailfishos since I can't find any in my local stores | 18:19 |
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| steve-marinos | machy, I don't think such device exists anymore | 18:20 |
| steve-marinos | but in the near future we might see couple devices that does | 18:21 |
| machy | even the jolla c? | 18:23 |
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| machy | release on 2016 | 18:23 |
| steve-marinos | I don't think Jolla son production anymore | 18:23 |
| steve-marinos | or Jolla, | 18:24 |
| machy | okay, thanks. | 18:24 |
| steve-marinos | or even the indian replicate | 18:24 |
| steve-marinos | so far we there will be couple devices that is supported by SFOS | 18:24 |
| steve-marinos | machy, check here https://jolla.com/sailfish3/ | 18:25 |
| machy | okay | 18:26 |
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| kinkmaster | steve-marinos: did you watch this interview? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTU28QgYHdQ | 18:41 |
| kinkmaster | it's quite insightful | 18:41 |
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| steve-marinos | kinkmaster, yes i did | 18:45 |
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| steve-marinos | well hoping for the best so far | 18:46 |
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| kinkmaster | if they make their code public, I think it's a matter of a few weeks until the community sorts out the rest | 18:46 |
| kinkmaster | I'm looking forward to port Arch to it | 18:46 |
| steve-marinos | the biggest issue is mediatek | 18:46 |
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| blep | can anyone direct me to where i can find out how to install and get setup using sailfish on an android based device? definitely want to check it out. | 18:48 |
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| kinkmaster | blep: https://sailfishos.org/develop/hadk/ | 18:51 |
| blep | thanks so much! i was browsing sailfhishos.org but guess i missed that page. | 18:52 |
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| kinkmaster | yea, it's quite misleading | 18:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | blep: what device? | 18:57 |
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| blep | r0kk3rz: going to be trying it out on an old samsung galaxy s4. | 18:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | blep: we have an old port for this one - https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_jfltexx | 19:03 |
| blep | looks like that port has a lot of issues such as headphone jack, sending calls, camera, etc. would it be better to follow the other guide sent and do it myself or would i still have those issues | 19:05 |
| steve-marinos | was there any port for the samsung Note 4? | 19:06 |
| steve-marinos | I will be glad to try it | 19:06 |
| kinkmaster | unfortunately there wasn't one for the note 3 | 19:06 |
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| steve-marinos | I have a work lab the Note 4 but to be honest am tired of all custom rom, a sailfish version would be a nice one to try | 19:07 |
| steve-marinos | but i believe it was never ported to Note4 | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | blep: you might, you might not, its hard to say. But if you want to try then get yourself in #sailfishos-porters and the guys can help you | 19:08 |
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| steve-marinos | r0kk3rz, do you know if it was ever ported to Note4? | 19:08 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think so | 19:09 |
| steve-marinos | guess i kinda suspect it but was worth to ask :D | 19:09 |
| r0kk3rz | we dont really have a lot of samsung ports really | 19:10 |
| r0kk3rz | sony, motorola, xiaomi are our main ones it seems | 19:10 |
| steve-marinos | well the note 4 in particular even on custom android rom is not that familiar | 19:10 |
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| steve-marinos | excited to where it might get with the Gemini | 19:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah it'll be interesting to see what people make of it | 19:11 |
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| steve-marinos | don't know if you read earlier, I will be more interested to take off android completely and dual boot SFOS and debian | 19:15 |
| r0kk3rz | i do wonder how things like debian will run on it | 19:16 |
| steve-marinos | r0kk3rz, I believe it is gonna lots of porting work on the debian side | 19:17 |
| steve-marinos | so far as i know we have a working network on the sfos side | 19:17 |
| r0kk3rz | sfos shouldnt be too bad, since i imagine it will run android just fine | 19:18 |
| steve-marinos | for the debian it is still pre alpha and will be more a community hardwork to make things work right, plus there is the mediatek unit | 19:18 |
| r0kk3rz | the real trick will be graphics drivers, as it always is | 19:19 |
| steve-marinos | yeah that too, i guess some is working on a port using libhybris but the biggest delay is production | 19:20 |
| frinring | piggz_: ping | 19:20 |
| steve-marinos | the more people have the devices the more community will get involved in the development | 19:20 |
| steve-marinos | dunno if jolla dens have a device to work on yet since gemini is listed as supported device on the jolla site | 19:22 |
| steve-marinos | devs | 19:22 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea, i got the impression that NotKit was working on it | 19:24 |
| steve-marinos | NotKit, is working on the debian port with a couple of devs so far | 19:24 |
| NotKit | initial SFOS port by me as well, not sure how things are going to be if it becomes official though | 19:26 |
| steve-marinos | NotKit, miss you mate :D | 19:26 |
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| steve-marinos | NotKit, I thought it is already official | 19:28 |
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| NotKit | it was demostrated with SFOS 3 UI at MWC and there was press-release, but not sure about anything else, maybe we will know when SFOS 3 is closer | 19:30 |
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| steve-marinos | NotKit, yeah probably, why don't you ask PC about that though, i mean it won't make sense if SFOS will be also working on the port with version 3, this way you will focus more on debian port | 19:34 |
| steve-marinos | or join Jolla developers for the port | 19:35 |
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