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| blop | is there an alternate browser maybe uptodate webkit? | 08:41 |
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| X65Vbo | blop, yes, Webcat ( https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/webcat ) uses a new version of Qt Webkit rebased on top of WebkitGTK+ ( https://github.com/annulen/webkit ) | 09:21 |
| blop | ty X65Vbo | 09:22 |
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| scionicspectre | Would this qualify as a Sailfish support channel? | 10:06 |
| blop | depends on what you think that means | 10:12 |
| scionicspectre | Well, I've found a port that's pretty good for my phone, but the scaling factor is left at 1x despite being a 1080p display, meaning it should probably be at 1.25x. | 10:34 |
| scionicspectre | I was wondering if there's some generic way to change the scaling factor and get the appropriately sized icons, as all I can find online is instructions for specific phones. | 10:35 |
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| scionicspectre | So that's what I'm thinking when I say support, but I suppose it may be a little complicated compared to this channel's purpose. | 10:36 |
| rinigus | scionicspectre: I would suggest to ask it at sailfishos-porters channel. please specify device and the porter would be able to help you | 10:40 |
| rubdos | scionicspectre, you have a very high chance of finding the porter in this channel or in #sailfishos-porters | 10:40 |
| rubdos | Is there currently a possibility to get a tracker blocker in the browser, apart from installing a fancy /etc/hosts file? | 10:41 |
| rubdos | (which I did now) | 10:41 |
| blop | that's one of my interests also, a plugin that can block domains on a per-site basis | 10:41 |
| blop | like requestpolicy does for firefox | 10:42 |
| scionicspectre | Yeah, Mister_Magister is there in the porters channel, albeit idle. I was just wondering if this were a common enough issue that there were some obvious way to do it, maybe a Warehouse app or something. Hm. | 10:42 |
| rubdos | I'm currently really missing my Android emu on my MZP, I'd have installed Firefox otherwise... | 10:42 |
| blop | unfortunately i can't implement this | 10:43 |
| blop | but i can send beers to whomever does | 10:43 |
| scionicspectre | I'll see if I can get a hold of him, thanks for the input. | 10:43 |
| blop | https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/webcat this might be the thing to look into | 10:43 |
| rubdos | but then I'm on webkit | 10:44 |
| rubdos | :( | 10:44 |
| rubdos | Secondly, just having firefox plugin support, you know, would be quite awesome lol | 10:44 |
| blop | can you give me the short explanation of what you don't like about webkit? | 10:46 |
| scionicspectre | I know, we should just as Mozilla to port the Firefox UI to QtQuick/QML. :D | 10:47 |
| scionicspectre | Rather, ask. | 10:47 |
| rubdos | well, I would actually want to have firefox sync :P | 10:47 |
| rubdos | and FF Quantum will be quite some faster than webkit | 10:47 |
| rubdos | also, much google, love Mozilla | 10:47 |
| rubdos | scionicspectre: "just" -> there lies the problem | 10:48 |
| rubdos | it's actually quite involved, and basically, the Jolla browser *is* a Firefox port | 10:48 |
| scionicspectre | I'm being facetious, of course. I'm still kind of surprised Fennec was a thing. | 10:48 |
| rubdos | Oh I loved fennec :/ | 10:49 |
| rubdos | if they had pulled it through a year longer, we'd still use it, probably | 10:49 |
| rubdos | still sad that my N9 gave its last breath | 10:49 |
| scionicspectre | Well, if MeeGo were still alive I'm sure things would've been far different. | 10:50 |
| scionicspectre | I was actually playing with the N9 until I got a phone with a decent Sailfish port. @_@ Huge upgrade. | 10:50 |
| rubdos | oh please, don't get this channel to be nostalgic :'-) | 10:50 |
| scionicspectre | The emotions back then were powerful. That Swipe advertising campaign totally killed it. It was poised to make a dent, no doubt. Then again, I do like Sailfish more than that UI, so maybe it was for the better? (nah) | 10:52 |
| x2s | (*sigh* *looksathisN9* *sigh* ;) | 10:52 |
| blop | heretics. n950 | 10:52 |
| x2s | I'm still confused by the "back" button of SailfishOS. I liked the back button on Meego more. It clearly said "back" ;) | 10:52 |
| scionicspectre | N950 would've been my jam if I could've had one. I'm super pumped for the Livermorium QWERTY slider, naturally, as it's Lauta's spiritual successor. | 10:53 |
| scionicspectre | It's sad that they're reevaluating whether to ship it with an official build of Sailfish now. :( | 10:54 |
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| rubdos | now I actually wonder what it takes to get Gecko updated in the sailfish-browser | 10:56 |
| * rubdos clones sailfishos-browser | 10:56 | |
| scionicspectre | The browser is FOSS, IIRC, so it should be fairly accessible unless they have some weird contribution policy. | 10:56 |
| rubdos | sailfishos-browser is only 15kLOC | 10:56 |
| rubdos | sounds quite doable lol | 10:57 |
| scionicspectre | Perhaps the version of Gecko bundled with Mer/Sailfish is ancient? | 10:57 |
| rubdos | oooh, I read that the problem is that a lot of stuff is written in Rust, so it'd require porting Rust to sfos :p | 10:57 |
| rubdos | (which shouldn't be that difficult) | 10:57 |
| scionicspectre | Well, Servo is written in Rust. That might be why. | 10:58 |
| scionicspectre | Since Quantum is throwing in tons of stuff from that project. | 10:58 |
| rubdos | uhu | 10:58 |
| rubdos | Ah, the real stuff is here: https://github.com/tmeshkova/gecko-dev/tree/embedlite/embedding/embedlite | 10:59 |
| rubdos | damn :'-) | 10:59 |
| tadzik | iirc new gecko requires new gcc, which is unavailable on sailfish | 10:59 |
| tadzik | rust and servo components notwithstanding | 10:59 |
| rubdos | aha | 11:00 |
| rubdos | I guess it'd make more sense to get a sailfishos port in the main firefox tree at that point? lol | 11:00 |
| scionicspectre | Well, since Firefox is FOSS, you could theoretically write a Firefox Sync 'client' into a gecko browser and call it Firefish or something. :P | 11:01 |
| scionicspectre | And maintain an ancient version of gecko in perpetuity (yuck). | 11:02 |
| * rubdos sobs | 11:02 | |
| tadzik | This branch is 508 commits ahead, 167729 commits behind mozilla:master | 11:02 |
| rubdos | ^ | 11:03 |
| tadzik | hmmm :) | 11:03 |
| rubdos | but IIRC, Mozilla *was* working on a new embedding platform | 11:03 |
| rubdos | but that may be Servo-native though | 11:03 |
| ladoga | hi ho | 11:04 |
| rubdos | welp, I'll need Rust support for SFOS anyhow. | 11:04 |
| ladoga | does anyone knowthe command line flag to launch fingerterm in a new window? | 11:05 |
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| ladoga | I've set some quick launch shortcuts (like ssh to this screen+irssi session) to apps menu, but these only work when no fingerterm instances are already running. | 11:10 |
| ladoga | Otherwise it only refocus on already running fingerterm | 11:10 |
| ladoga | So I guess I needsome flag to tell finger term that I want to open a new window | 11:11 |
| rinigus | tadzik: new gcc is available for SFOS. see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99699&highlight=gcc&page=2 for two possible sources of newer gcc | 11:13 |
| rubdos | it's a LOT of stuff to update, port and rewrite though, until we get FF Quantum | 11:24 |
| scionicspectre | Well, wouldn't it theoretically be possible to run the Wayland version of Firefox on SFOS? I suppose not since you'll need a newer xdg_shell protocol implemented than might be available in Sailfish... | 11:26 |
| scionicspectre | But someone could write a plugin for that to make its UI mobile-friendly and call it a day. Although having no pulley menus or quick actions on the card would be sad. | 11:26 |
| scionicspectre | I guess Quantum still hasn't hit any LTS distros, so the outdated dependency issue still remains. Still, that might be the way forward as opposed to making a QML 'port'. | 11:27 |
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| scionicspectre | Ah, @rubdos, that reminds me of this: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=98882&highlight=xwayland | 11:41 |
| scionicspectre | So, technically, it's possible to run Firefox on Sailfish right now in some sense. Maybe this setup could be significantly modified to the point that it's usable. | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | scionicspectre: theres a bit of dependency hell, but maybe if you want to try | 11:50 |
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| rubdos | Firefox 52 is current ESR iirc, and that's usually what LTS distro's use, no? | 11:55 |
| scionicspectre | Yeah, at least stuff like RHEL/CentOS. | 11:56 |
| rubdos | otoh, I didn't even get Firefox Nightly with wayland support to work on my Arch Linux sway install | 11:59 |
| rubdos | but I think having servo on a QML app would actually not be very difficult, if you get Rust nightly to compile for SFOS | 11:59 |
| rubdos | and having Firefox on Xwayland is quite a reverse world :'-) | 12:04 |
| scionicspectre | Yeah, that would probably be the sexier/smarter thing to do for the future. | 12:04 |
| rubdos | It's just that we need a QML port mainlined in Firefox :P | 12:05 |
| scionicspectre | So long as Servo is easy to embed, that is. | 12:05 |
| rubdos | then everything is solved | 12:05 |
| rubdos | Servo is easily embedded | 12:05 |
| rubdos | it's literally "give it some OpenGL context it can draw on" | 12:05 |
| rubdos | and then you get C callbacks | 12:05 |
| rubdos | or Rust callbacks | 12:05 |
| rubdos | depending on what you love :-) | 12:05 |
| scionicspectre | Hm, I'll have to goof around and see if I can't get a Servo webview in QtQuick, then it's a simple matter of porting it to Silica's components. I hear QQC2 will make doing a Sailfish port more straightforward than that. | 12:06 |
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| scionicspectre | After that, then we can try to add badass features to it. It's been so long since I wrote a mobile app, I think it would be fun to mess around with on something more modern. | 12:07 |
| scionicspectre | Well, that's a lie, I wrote a few things for Firefox OS, but those were technically just web apps. | 12:08 |
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| rubdos | maybe it'd be interesting to talk Mozilla into keeping SFOS in mind when rebuilding firefox around servo | 12:10 |
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| scionicspectre | Yeah, I suppose just talking to them about what little things they could do to make a Wayland mobile version more feasible would be a good idea. I already talk to some of these folks a bit since I've been writing GTK themes for KDE and GNOME and had to work around their theme mimicry. | 12:22 |
| scionicspectre | (official themes, as in Breeze and Adwaita) | 12:22 |
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| ladoga | does fingerterm have any dcumentation? | 13:28 |
| ladoga | i can't even find a way to hide window title in app switcher preview | 13:29 |
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| ladoga | thumbterm shows it while fingerterm doesn't | 13:30 |
| ladoga | kt shows nothing valuable just nemo@:~ | 13:31 |
| ladoga | it* | 13:31 |
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| elros_ | ladoga: fingerterm doesn't even use silica (default branch) https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/fingerterm/blob/master/qml/Main.qml so it can't show title or any cover | 13:43 |
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| blop | is there es2gears | 13:57 |
| blop | or another gles benchmark | 13:57 |
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| ladoga | elros_: thanks | 14:00 |
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| schmittlauch_ | ohai | 15:21 |
| schmittlauch_ | for some reason the "deploy by building an rpm package" step in ApplicationSDK only seems to build the app but doesn't package it. Any idea why that happens? | 15:22 |
| schmittlauch_ | currently I'm using mb2 directly as a workaround | 15:22 |
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| schmittlauch_ | When a nearly QML-only app does some invalid memory frees, then it's probably a Qt bug, right? | 18:12 |
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| schmittlauch_ | ping Armadillo | 18:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | hah almost certainly a qt bug | 19:28 |
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