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| blap | https://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/snoopsnitch/wiki/DeviceList | 02:58 |
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| Tazy | So sailfish on the Xperia X, is depending on Sony's kernel? they build nonfree firmware for it? | 03:42 |
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| blap | i am pretty sure there's nonfree formware Tazy | 04:55 |
| blap | http://abload.de/img/stallmanbcapx0ut6.png new ascii pic / Stallman | 04:55 |
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| Tazy | blap, such a scarry face. But my concern is that i cannot update the kernel or rebuild with more filesystem support build in | 05:04 |
| blap | :/ | 05:04 |
| * Tazy wonders if that means that sailfish x is the only OS w/o an fix for meltdown/spectre in works.. | 05:06 | |
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| maheart | I think Sailfish X users are in a better position than the vast majority of Android phones when it comes to Meltdown/Spectre patching | 06:14 |
| maheart | The reason being that Jolla uses Sony's (Android) Linux kernel for Sailfish X (please someone correct me if I'm wrong). Jolla have source code to it (and you do too), they can patch it, and push out the updated (secured) kernel to their users. | 06:16 |
| maheart | The people that should be "worried" are those on Android (and iOS) versions that are no longer supported (i.e. you will not get an *official* fix for Meltdown/Spectre) | 06:17 |
| maheart | I imagine this includes any Android device (excluding Nexus-type phones) that's older than ~1 year old | 06:18 |
| maheart | The best mitigation (aside from patching) that you can perform against the attack, is to trust the software that you've installed. The SailfishOS ecosystem looks to be largely free to scammers that are likely to insert backdoors into software (e.g. ship a Meltdown exploit as part of a flashlight app) | 06:20 |
| kimmoli | ... #flashlightgate | 06:26 |
| blap | largely | 06:36 |
| Krikke | so many people running vms on sailfish x | 06:44 |
| blap | what | 06:45 |
| Krikke | </sarcasm> | 06:45 |
| blap | oh | 06:45 |
| blap | well there's the browser | 06:46 |
| blap | remember when i told everyone in the early days of the web that running code in a browser was a bad idea? | 06:46 |
| Krikke | yeah | 06:46 |
| blap | but you didn't listen, did you | 06:47 |
| blap | :* | 06:47 |
| Krikke | ofc not I'm a javascript developer | 06:47 |
| blap | :) | 06:52 |
| blap | https://abload.de/img/stallmanquotcapj3p9e.png Richard M. Stallman quote | 06:52 |
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| Krikke | my man | 06:59 |
| blap | yeah. just watched a lecture where some guys got sources for a phone modem | 07:05 |
| blap | turns out it ran linux | 07:06 |
| blap | with some funny hacks | 07:06 |
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| maheart | link? | 07:44 |
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| blap | 33c3-8151-eng-deu-fra-Dissecting_modern_3G_4G_cellular_modems_sd.mp4 | 08:05 |
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| ghosalmartin | so am trying to deploy a app with qtlocation to my emulator but it complains that the module isnt installed, but it is :O works fine on my X, anyone any ideas? | 08:27 |
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| ghosalmartin | "file:///usr/share/harbour-uber/qml/Map.qml:20 module "QtLocation" is not installed | 08:27 |
| ghosalmartin | " exact error | 08:27 |
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| ghosalmartin | ah needed qt5-qtdeclarative-import-location | 08:33 |
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| blap | btw if anyone can try android app 'Cell Widget', I'm insterested if you get the Cell ID (Cid) and Lac info from it on your device. | 09:52 |
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| schmittlauch | Is it normal that connectivity indicators (e.g. WiFi) are only shown on the lockscreen but not in the homescreen's status bar? | 11:14 |
| blap | when connected to wifi i see a 'radar' icon in the upper right of homescreen status bar, just to the left of the phone connectivity icon | 11:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ghosalmartin, you can write apps with public apis ? | 11:16 |
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| ghosalmartin | dr_gogeta86, i dunno? probably not | 11:21 |
| ghosalmartin | makes you say that? | 11:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | <ghosalmartin> "file:///usr/share/harbour-uber/qml/Map.qml:20 module "QtLocation" is not installed | 11:22 |
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| ghosalmartin | dr_gogeta86, ah right, nah I just named it that incase one day they decide to let public apis, i take it qtlocation isn't allowed in store? | 11:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nope | 11:23 |
| ghosalmartin | dr_gogeta86, well how else am I supposed to get location :P | 11:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but who cares | 11:23 |
| ghosalmartin | I was going to stick it on openrepos anyway | 11:23 |
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| ghosalmartin | dr_gogeta86, actually might not need qtlocation | 11:25 |
| leszek | schmittlauch: should be on the homescreens statusbar aswell | 11:25 |
| schmittlauch | well, that strangely isn't the case | 11:26 |
| leszek | any patches installed? | 11:28 |
| schmittlauch | nope | 11:28 |
| schmittlauch | not even patchmanager | 11:29 |
| leszek | strange then. Maybe restarting lipstick helps | 11:29 |
| ghosalmartin | dr_gogeta86, yeah turns out I didnt need qtlocation thanks for that :) | 11:29 |
| schmittlauch | probably, but I run into this problem quite often | 11:29 |
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| leszek | schmittlauch: heard about it never run into that problem on none of my 4 SailfishOS devices | 11:33 |
| schmittlauch | leszek: Sometimes I have the feeling that my Jolla1 is more and more broken or that SFOS digests itself on it. Didn't manually mess around that much though since last factory reset. | 11:37 |
| leszek | Iam only using the Jolla1 as dev machine nowadays and have the Xperia X as daily driver. Both work quite fine. though I am still am a bit dissappointed about the camera and the unusable webkit on the Xperia X | 11:38 |
| leszek | but hopefully 2.1.4.2 will fix the webkit issue. At least there was some qscenegraph patch that sounds at least helpful in fixing that issue | 11:38 |
| leszek | we'll see | 11:38 |
| * schmittlauch is still waiting for more stuff to get open-sourced before buying another SFOS device | 11:39 | |
| leszek | yeah thats also essential. And I did not hear anything of the promise for 2017 fulfilled actually which isn't very promising. | 11:40 |
| leszek | I wonder if Jolla is the one holding back or the shareholders | 11:40 |
| tbr | anyone who believes that there will be any more open sourcing is a hopeless dreamer. The only exception might be where it's necessary for business reasons. | 11:43 |
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| rinigus | tbr: I guess you are right, it will probably only happen when a good open-sourced alternative will show up and we all start moving out from sfos | 11:53 |
| marmistrz | I think that the most success may bring the approach of mine (see the latest community meeting). I have this nice patch. I'll keep it hidden from the world until you open-source the software. When you do, I'll upstream it and the software will benefit. | 11:55 |
| marmistrz | This may be effective, since the UX of the native apps is a major problem of SFOS | 11:56 |
| marmistrz | this *may* be a legit business reason. | 11:57 |
| marmistrz | Does anyone know how I could disable an rpmlint check from executing at all at the OBS? (it simply crashes) | 11:59 |
| tbr | that's probably either in the spec file or an additional config file thing that you'd place in the project | 12:01 |
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| kimmoli | https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_checks#Overview | 12:29 |
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| marmistrz | kimmoli, that didn't help me very much. what did the trick was: | 16:37 |
| marmistrz | #!BuildIgnore: rpmlint-mini | 16:37 |
| marmistrz | #!BuildIgnore: rpmlint-MeeGo | 16:37 |
| r0kk3rz | marmistrz: i wouldnt put too much effort into the stock apps, they're due for a bit of an overhaul anyway | 16:42 |
| marmistrz | r0kk3rz, that's a useful note. Thanks! Any citation or is it just common, unwritten lore? :) | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | iirc there was a mention that the productivity apps were on the list for development | 16:45 |
| r0kk3rz | cant really remember where | 16:45 |
| marmistrz | thx | 16:45 |
| r0kk3rz | and as you say, they arent open source anyway | 16:45 |
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| elros_ | I rember in 2.1.0.11 I was able to use jolla-camera qml files in my own app and the only missing feature was translations so I don't get this complaining about closed source jolla apps | 16:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | yes but they arent licenced with an open source licence | 17:41 |
| r0kk3rz | so you arent supposed to do that :P | 17:41 |
| marmistrz | elros_ has already quit so he won't see that | 17:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | logs exist | 17:54 |
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| tortoisedoc | howdy | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | been trying to compile qtcreator for sfo | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | *s | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | which QtVersion should be used to compile against it? | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | I tried qt 5.6.2 (as per the about box9 | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | ) | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | but unfortunately alot of header files are missing | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | like designersupport.h | 19:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | ping mal? | 19:38 |
| mpol | Would a secondhand Turing phone still be a good buy? Any experiences? I read up on together, wifi is bad, simcard is shaky but for the rest it seems okayish. | 19:38 |
| mpol | I like the design, and one is for sale close by | 19:39 |
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| mal | tortoisedoc: pong | 19:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | yesyes false alarm was working on an older copy >_> | 19:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | mpol: the design is quite sharp | 20:07 |
| r0kk3rz | but visually and literally | 20:07 |
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| mpol | r0kk3rz: yes, I see :). But suddenly I found out there is no audio output, only bluetooth audio. That is a dealbreaker for me. | 20:12 |
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| mpol | I have a Jolla 1. I don't "need" an upgrade, but a somewhat faster device and bigger screen might be nice | 20:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | mpol : dude. You totall want an xperia | 20:16 |
| mpol | maybe :) | 20:16 |
| r0kk3rz | mpol: yeah... only a random magnetic pogo pin plug, for 'security' | 20:21 |
| _sven | r0kk3rz: whats that? magnetic pogo pin plug? | 20:23 |
| mpol | yes, just for the buzz. I still consider buying it however, and using my J1 as mp3 player. Just need to give it some nights rest | 20:23 |
| r0kk3rz | _sven: i was never sure if it was just a nonstandard usb plug, or something else :) | 20:24 |
| _sven | ah ok, my assiziation to pogopin stuff was to the pcgrip kit | 20:32 |
| _sven | pcbgrip kit | 20:40 |
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| ghosalmartin | if am inside a qml property for example an onDataChanged:{} how can I generically refer to the data inside? | 21:41 |
| ghosalmartin | is it "this" ? | 21:41 |
| Almindor | xperia is nice with sf. i just wished android support would get an update. 4.4 is eol and most apps dont work anymore | 21:42 |
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| Almindor | is there any emoji support in sailfish keyboard? (utf8) | 23:28 |
| blap | i didn't see any | 23:34 |
| Tazy | isnt Android 4.4.4 the last ASOP version? | 23:38 |
| R-Z | wat | 23:39 |
| R-Z | aosp is at 8.1.0 as far as I know | 23:43 |
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