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| MeowDude | hey guys | 07:02 |
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| MeowDude | I saw that on Sailfish 2.0+ you can run android apps | 07:02 |
| MeowDude | does this apply to ports too | 07:02 |
| MeowDude | ? | 07:02 |
| entil | MeowDude: there's the anbox project that even has sailfish builds, but I haven't been bothered to test it out yet because of time constraints | 07:03 |
| MeowDude | so is it possible? | 07:03 |
| MeowDude | oh anbox is like a vm withing sail | 07:04 |
| entil | MeowDude: https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries/home:saidinesh5:anbox/anbox?repository=sailfish_latest_armv7hl | 07:04 |
| MeowDude | thats stupid, why not just do what the jolla phones do it and just use the runtime | 07:04 |
| entil | MeowDude: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:saidinesh5:anbox/anbox | 07:04 |
| entil | maybe it's a thing with restricting access | 07:05 |
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| MeowDude | Ill try this out. I assume I can just install an rpm on sfos like an apk on android? | 07:05 |
| entil | I don't know how alien dalvik works, but I do know lineageos and latter-day androids (esp. android enterprise) have good isolation | 07:05 |
| entil | on sailfish afaiu a hostile app can do pretty much wtfever it wants to, completely unchecked | 07:05 |
| entil | MeowDude: it may or may not work, I tried to ping the guy who built the packages on #anbox but he didn't reply | 07:06 |
| MeowDude | Il take my chances | 07:06 |
| entil | saidinesh5: oh hi D: you're here as well | 07:06 |
| MeowDude | Id rather use android apps within actual sail then just sand box them | 07:06 |
| entil | MeowDude: why? | 07:06 |
| MeowDude | sanboxing them in a box breaks the illusion | 07:06 |
| MeowDude | when I run them natively in sail it feels like a sailfish app | 07:07 |
| entil | I can respect that, sure | 07:07 |
| MeowDude | also where can an australian buy the jolla tablet? | 07:07 |
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| MeowDude | it looks like a GREAT DEVICE | 07:07 |
| entil | but to me infosec/opsec is more important than illusions and I wish sailfish had the access control of lineageos built into how software is built, or that lineageos had the silica interface so jumping ship wouldn't hurt so bad | 07:08 |
| entil | but for now, I'm naturally a happy user of sailfish on three separate devices | 07:08 |
| MeowDude | arg I would be that way if my port booted up | 07:08 |
| entil | MeowDude: anywhere second-hand; if you're super interested, I have a friend who might want to get rid of his | 07:08 |
| MeowDude | :( | 07:08 |
| MeowDude | for how much?I might just get a second hand Nexus 7 2013 (flo) for cheap | 07:09 |
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| entil | MeowDude: I sent him a message, not sure if he's awake this early | 07:11 |
| MeowDude | alrgiht | 07:11 |
| entil | but anyway, if you have a sailfish setup to test anbox on, I'm more than happy to hear about the results | 07:12 |
| Coolgeek | you can't use alvien-dalvik on a port because of license | 07:13 |
| Coolgeek | but there is a project taht is not alien dalvik you can try to launch android apps | 07:13 |
| MeowDude | +what is it CoolGeek? | 07:14 |
| MeowDude | entil: the rpm failed to install | 07:14 |
| entil | MeowDude: what happened? | 07:15 |
| Coolgeek | don't remmeber the name, searching it right now | 07:15 |
| MeowDude | I hit install, and it said it failed to install | 07:15 |
| entil | MeowDude: I was thinking more along the lines of rpm -Uvh foowhatever.rpm in the terminal | 07:15 |
| entil | MeowDude: under devel-su | 07:15 |
| MeowDude | oh yea | 07:16 |
| MeowDude | how does one enter devel su> | 07:16 |
| MeowDude | ? | 07:16 |
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| entil | MeowDude: start terminal, type in devel-su, it asks for your development password | 07:17 |
| entil | MeowDude: you do have the settings correct, correct? as in allowing third-party rpms and all that? | 07:17 |
| entil | MeowDude: settings -> untrusted software | 07:17 |
| entil | MeowDude: settings -> developer tools and developer mode and iirc remote connection is required to be enabled to set the password but not 100% sure | 07:18 |
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| Coolgeek | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/sfdroid | 07:19 |
| Coolgeek | dunno the real status of this | 07:19 |
| entil | Coolgeek: looking at the changelog, it's been dead for a year | 07:19 |
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| Coolgeek | maybe it's anbox for now | 07:20 |
| entil | Coolgeek: I tried contributing to sfdroid a while ago and never got it running on sailfish on the fairphone2, or it did turn the screen android gray and heat things up by complaining in the logs | 07:20 |
| entil | so I gave up | 07:20 |
| Coolgeek | hhhmm ok | 07:20 |
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| Coolgeek | I used official sfos, never tried it | 07:21 |
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| entil | sure, my civilian phone is a fairphone2 running the port (version 2.1.0.1 I believe it's at) and my job phone is the xperia x with official sfos and my tablet is mainly for brushing up on german on duolingo | 07:21 |
| entil | so 2/3 official sailfish ;P | 07:22 |
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| MeowDude_ | Yeah maybe I'll just get a 2013 nexus 7 and run sfos on there | 08:33 |
| entil | MeowDude_: did you ever get anywhere with the anbox rpm? | 08:34 |
| MeowDude_ | nope | 08:34 |
| MeowDude_ | Ill fuck around with it in terminal later | 08:34 |
| MeowDude_ | the rpm is on my externel sd card | 08:34 |
| MeowDude_ | what commands should I execute? (to make sure I get them right) | 08:35 |
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| saidinesh5 | hey entil | 08:36 |
| saidinesh5 | I think mal has a newer build in his obs repo for that | 08:37 |
| entil | saidinesh5: hiya | 08:37 |
| saidinesh5 | one that he fixed for 64bit devices | 08:37 |
| MeowDude_ | >tfw 32bit pleb | 08:37 |
| saidinesh5 | my build only worked for krnlying on his Jolla | 08:37 |
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| saidinesh5 | ironically my device had a 3.4 kernel so wasn't even working on it | 08:38 |
| MeowDude_ | what is the point of 64bit mobiles? if you have less than like 8gb of ram it doesn't make much difference | 08:38 |
| entil | saidinesh5: is armv7l (fairphone2) 64-bit? | 08:38 |
| saidinesh5 | faster number crunching MeowDude_ ... plus it is 4GB ram.. and a lot of devices are coming out with more than that lately | 08:38 |
| entil | sorry that I can't be looking this up right now myself | 08:38 |
| saidinesh5 | entil: it is 32 bit but 3.4 kernel | 08:38 |
| entil | saidinesh5: so your anbox build should work, right? | 08:39 |
| entil | saidinesh5: is it a current version and/or does it matter? | 08:39 |
| saidinesh5 | nope. anbox is just one half of the puzzle. the main thing is the kernel support for lxc ..which on 3.4 is very wonky | 08:39 |
| saidinesh5 | not sure if anyone got anbox up and running on a 3.4 kernle | 08:39 |
| MeowDude_ | I think I am on kernel 3.1.x | 08:39 |
| MeowDude_ | I dont kno | 08:40 |
| entil | saidinesh5: ok thanks, then I won't be bothered, because there's only one app that requires android 5 (fails on alien dalvik because of that) and I can't put the effort into "very wonky" lxc support for one app | 08:40 |
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| saidinesh5 | MeowDude_: kernel 3.10.x? | 08:40 |
| MeowDude_ | Ill check real quick | 08:41 |
| entil | saidinesh5: the kernel is provided by the port, right? so technically in the future there could be a newer kernel here? | 08:41 |
| saidinesh5 | entil: yeah .. i need to try out https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ebiederm/user-namespace.git/log/?h=containers-v75 patches until they release 3.10 for my device | 08:41 |
| entil | this something I don't know how or where I'd actually look it up | 08:41 |
| saidinesh5 | entil: kernel is usuallly from the qualcomm etc.. | 08:41 |
| entil | saidinesh5: your device is also a fairphone2? | 08:41 |
| saidinesh5 | cancro but has similar guts as a fairphone2.. msm8974 | 08:42 |
| entil | ah | 08:42 |
| saidinesh5 | cancro/Xiaomi mi3 | 08:42 |
| entil | saidinesh5: then we can only hope qualcomm or some other powers that be will release a new kernel for us to use | 08:42 |
| MeowDude_ | kernel version for me on lijoki is 3.0.101 | 08:42 |
| saidinesh5 | entil: some guy was working on a recent kernel for fp2... hold on | 08:42 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 08:42 |
| MeowDude_ | what difference does the kernerl make on sailfish | 08:43 |
| MeowDude_ | err kernel version | 08:43 |
| saidinesh5 | not sure how well this is working though: https://github.com/z3ntu/linux | 08:43 |
| saidinesh5 | https://forum.fairphone.com/t/kernel-hackers-upstream-kernel-for-fp2-openos/28628 | 08:43 |
| entil | saidinesh5: I don't know what all of that means but it does sound like there are severe problems with using that unofficial kernel at the moment :( | 08:44 |
| saidinesh5 | yeah | 08:44 |
| saidinesh5 | you will prolly only get a telnet and nothing more in there | 08:45 |
| entil | I would now know how to downgrade my kernel using telnet :D | 08:45 |
| saidinesh5 | MeowDude_: lots of things .. support for containers etc.. is improved in newer kernel | 08:45 |
| MeowDude_ | hm | 08:45 |
| MeowDude_ | I made an unofficial 2.1.3 port for my old Nexus 7 2012 (grouper), but it won't fully boot | 08:45 |
| MeowDude_ | it sits at the google logo for around 45 seconds, the screen gets brighter for 8 seconds, then it powers off | 08:46 |
| MeowDude_ | how do I telnet to it and stuff to pull logs? | 08:46 |
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| MeowDude_ | saidinesh5: side note, is there anyway to either A: Use cutespot with a free account or B: spoof my account to where it apears premium and trick cutespot into letting me use it? or C: run the android app on my ported device | 08:49 |
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| Mister_Magister | MeowDude: why won't you read logs | 09:26 |
| Mister_Magister | hadk* | 09:26 |
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| MeowDude_ | wew | 10:10 |
| MeowDude_ | alien-dalvik on vm doesnt work | 10:11 |
| MeowDude_ | i tried the cm11 set up | 10:11 |
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| Mister_Magister | MeowDude: ofcourse it will not work | 10:18 |
| Mister_Magister | OMG | 10:18 |
| Coolgeek | is he trying to have alien-dalvik in a port of sfos ? | 10:19 |
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| hahlo | why it isn't work? | 10:34 |
| Mister_Magister | Coolgeek: dunno what he is trying but it will not work | 10:36 |
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| entil | MeowDude: my friend replied that he's not sure he'd get enough money for it to sell it, and I'm not sure if you have a budget in mind either | 10:53 |
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