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| sledges | PSA: SFOS collab meeting in 2 minutes at #mer-meeting | 08:58 |
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| StucKman | hi all! I just got my fairphone and i was reading this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_fp2#Installation_steps from what I understand, I just need to download a zip file, enable TWRP and reboot? that's it? it seems too easy! am I missing anything? | 09:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | StucKman: the instructions is all you need | 09:10 |
| StucKman | wow | 09:11 |
| StucKman | but from what I understand, I can't test sailfish by booting from the sdcard? | 09:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | StucKman: not really, but its not that destructive, if you flash the old boot.img back everything remains untouched | 09:17 |
| StucKman | ok | 09:19 |
| StucKman | and that's the thisrd question: my new fairphone came with a too-new FFOSOS (17.08.1 instead of 16.10, question is: where can I get in contact with other people who might tried to install from that one? | 09:21 |
| r0kk3rz | StucKman: then you either need to flash the old one first, or wait for mal to release his updated version | 09:26 |
| StucKman | mal as in mal in this channel? | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | correct | 09:28 |
| StucKman | rite, thanks | 09:29 |
| StucKman | I'll just stick around until he says hi :) | 09:29 |
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| Mister_Magister | Just got one orignal Jolla battery for free. I bought one but it was damaged so seller sent me second one and now i have two for price of one :D | 10:28 |
| StucKman | but the fisrt is damaged... | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | just physically a bit | 10:30 |
| Mister_Magister | but it's working :D | 10:30 |
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| StucKman | \o/ | 10:34 |
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| Mister_Magister | my vps hosting is acting weird lol | 11:02 |
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| mal | StucKman_: hi, I'm hoping to release new sailfish version soon (tm), only one regression left in the android 6 based builds | 11:13 |
| mal | for fp2 that is | 11:14 |
| StucKman_ | mal: ok, one question: where can I read about the specifics of what it means to flash the phone ? | 11:15 |
| StucKman_ | I mean, read references to the system image and the recovery image | 11:16 |
| mal | StucKman_: what do you mean? the instructions are here (for android 6 based build it will be a bit simpler) https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_fp2 | 11:16 |
| StucKman_ | but I don't know exactly what the layout in the phone or how they're chained/booted | 11:16 |
| StucKman_ | mal: yes, the instructions were suspiciously too simple, thanks :) | 11:17 |
| mal | StucKman_: btw, if you have a quite new fp2 then the old image probably won't work | 11:18 |
| StucKman_ | new as in it arrived 2 days ago :) | 11:18 |
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| mal | StucKman_: after I get one more fix done (hopefully for the release after this next one) then the instructions will be even more simple | 11:18 |
| StucKman_ | so I better wait, then | 11:18 |
| StucKman_ | would the new one work with 17.11.2/ the phone is nagging me to upgrade | 11:19 |
| mal | StucKman_: ok, so then you'll need to wait for the next release because fp2 hardware has changed a bit and the new batches need android 6 | 11:19 |
| mal | StucKman_: next release will be based on 17.11 | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | StucKman_: why do you think the installation will be complicated? | 11:20 |
| mal | StucKman_: the current installation for fp2 is much more complicated than for other devices which usually require installation of of only the base android and sailfish zips | 11:22 |
| StucKman_ | r0kk3rz: I've also been reading about intalling debian on a n900 or n9 and is not even close that simple | 11:22 |
| StucKman_ | mal: so you basically take an android image, grab some pieces, put them back together into a sailfish os, and test that? | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | StucKman_: yeah well, this isnt really like that at all | 11:23 |
| StucKman_ | I know mer somehow uses some soft present in android images/phones | 11:23 |
| StucKman_ | the kernel, for instance, I think | 11:23 |
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| StucKman_ | and drivers and some part of the APIs | 11:24 |
| StucKman_ | mal: so itś the HW changes that lead to regressions? | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | StucKman_: its mostly the android upgrade | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | because we hook into some lower level android stuff, when they change things it can break for us | 11:26 |
| StucKman_ | it's the bits of andoird you reuse? | 11:26 |
| StucKman_ | I'm just trying to get a picture of how this goes together | 11:26 |
| StucKman_ | ok, thanks | 11:26 |
| mal | StucKman_: the regression I have left is not because of hardware but because of a security fix in android | 11:26 |
| StucKman_ | hah | 11:27 |
| StucKman_ | were do you read about all this? | 11:27 |
| mal | source code :) | 11:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | StucKman_: you start device porting, and then you get a great tour of the OS because you need to fix it all | 11:28 |
| StucKman_ | heeh | 11:28 |
| StucKman_ | 'use the source, luke' | 11:28 |
| StucKman_ | ok, I'll just wait | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | its a wonderful mishmash of things thats not standard between devices at all | 11:29 |
| StucKman_ | this is amazing | 11:30 |
| mal | especially when you bump into bugs in android | 11:30 |
| StucKman_ | i never thought upgrading a phone would be so easy | 11:30 |
| r0kk3rz | its easy because we do all the hard work to make it easy | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | in reality its amazing that we can take an android phone and get it fully working with glibc based OS at all | 11:33 |
| StucKman_ | and the | 11:34 |
| StucKman_ | then* | 11:34 |
| StucKman_ | does the system receive updates like a normal linux distro or it's till based on image updates? | 11:34 |
| r0kk3rz | fp2 has OTA updates, some others need rebuilding | 11:35 |
| StucKman_ | but that's still image based, or am I wrong? | 11:36 |
| StucKman_ | it's not apt/yum/zypper update/upgrade... | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | it is, but its also monolithic like an image based upgrade | 11:37 |
| StucKman_ | is that because the phone's HW has no relation to computer storage? | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but all the pieces are in .rpm packages and updated through packagekit | 11:37 |
| StucKman_ | ah, ok | 11:37 |
| StucKman_ | so in thieory, if i had root/sudo and an rpm pakage manager in the system, I could do the update/upgrade myself? | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 11:39 |
| StucKman_ | then the obvious question: why not? what's missing? | 11:40 |
| r0kk3rz | huh? | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | im confused, why is something missing? | 11:41 |
| StucKman_ | do I have root? can I update/upgrade via a package manager? | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 11:42 |
| StucKman_ | \o/ | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | but you dont prod the package manager in the usual way | 11:42 |
| StucKman_ | hmm | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | think of it like doing a dist-upgrade every time | 11:43 |
| StucKman_ | but I guess the 'distro' is not like fedora or debian sid, which get updates every day... does it? | 11:43 |
| StucKman_ | well, I do dist-upgrade every sunday | 11:44 |
| StucKman_ | and security updates daily on my server | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its not like that | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla releases upgrades periodically, like once a month at best | 11:45 |
| StucKman_ | good enough | 11:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | so for eg. they're all encompassing upgrades like this: https://together.jolla.com/question/172002/release-notes-213-kymijoki/ | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | with fixes, new features, whatever | 11:49 |
| StucKman_ | and the base system? mer itself? | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | how do you mean | 11:51 |
| StucKman_ | I mean, most of the most important security patches are for system stuff | 11:52 |
| StucKman_ | decoding libraries lije libjpeg or ilbxml | 11:52 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 11:52 |
| StucKman_ | which I think are part of mer more than joall | 11:52 |
| StucKman_ | jolla/sailfish | 11:52 |
| r0kk3rz | its part of both, mer isnt really a distro as such | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | these days is mostly just a collection of all the open source stuff that goes into sailfish | 11:54 |
| StucKman_ | so a library gets a patch, mer ceates a new package, jolla picks it up and oputs it in the new sailfishos version, you guys tear it apart, put it in a new ff image and then I get my upgrade, did I get that right? | 11:55 |
| StucKman_ | or once I have sailfish and the update is in it, i get to update directly? | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | some devices you can get it direct, some devices its like you say | 11:57 |
| StucKman_ | so, those supported sirectly by jolla, it ś direct, others like ff, go through guys like you | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, but in this instance for fp2 theres a command line process you can do instead of an image upgrade | 11:59 |
| StucKman_ | niiice | 12:00 |
| StucKman_ | so, were do I donate? | 12:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | donate? to whom? | 12:03 |
| StucKman_ | you two guys? | 12:05 |
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| mal | StucKman_: I don't need any donations, quite many have asked and I always say no thanks | 12:14 |
| StucKman_ | so thanks :))) | 12:17 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: lol why | 12:18 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: I just don't need it | 12:19 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: i'm using donation money only for my campaigns that mean to buy next device and bring sfos for it | 12:19 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: is rich :D | 12:19 |
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| Mister_Magister | mal: what are you doing for job? | 12:23 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: not really, I just have quite small expenses | 12:23 |
| Mister_Magister | sure i'm joking :) | 12:23 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: I'm just a normal software developer currently | 12:23 |
| Mister_Magister | developing in what language? | 12:23 |
| mal | mostly c++ | 12:24 |
| Mister_Magister | nice thanks for answer | 12:25 |
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| freedwhayt | Hello, Can I compile my QML code using Qt Quick Compiler and run it on SailfishOS ? | 13:16 |
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| mal | freedwhayt: why not just follow the instructions at https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Application_Development | 13:21 |
| Dotti | freedwhayt: probably, but it would create dependency to private APIs | 13:21 |
| freedwhayt | mal: QML code is exposed in the application created, there is not a single example of entire C++ application, neither documentation of those libraries. My best bet is reading the C++ headers and grep for functions if I need something.. | 13:24 |
| freedwhayt | Dotti: even if it is paid I'm in, a lot of developers are withdrawn from SFOS because there is no easy way to hide your source | 13:25 |
| freedwhayt | how you make money of your application if it is totally open source and everyone can copy it and say it his own code ? | 13:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | in theory you should be able to, qml gets translated into c++ objects at runtime, and afaik all that compiler does is the first step | 13:27 |
| mal | freedwhayt: that depends on how much you implement in c++ side and how much in qml side | 13:28 |
| freedwhayt | r0kk3rz: Good point. Qt Quick Compiler is commercial software that provides the ability to compile QML code. | 13:29 |
| freedwhayt | My concern is that it has nothing to do with Jolla/Sailfish and if I buy it, I might be abe to compile my QML for Linux/Mac/Windows GUI APPs and I would run into problems with it with Jolla's glibc | 13:30 |
| freedwhayt | https://github.com/qmlc/qmlc is free alternative QML compiler but that seems much more impossible task to implement into sfos | 13:31 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm actually... you might get into trouble with silica | 13:31 |
| freedwhayt | Exactly that is my concern. | 13:32 |
| freedwhayt | I have contact official emails of jolla/sailfish and never got a single answer. never. | 13:32 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, im not sure anyones tried it, typically everyone around here is all about the open source | 13:32 |
| freedwhayt | Don't get me wrong, I'm two hands up for open source, but when it comes to business you might have an app you don't want to expose to plagiarism, at least in a single click of copy-paste. Reverse engineering can't be solved that's for sure. | 13:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | no need to explain, what you do with your code is up to you | 13:34 |
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| freedwhayt | Worst thing is project is really good and might help Jolla business and grow into something huge. | 13:35 |
| Dotti | freedwhayt: well of course you could keep all your business logic on c++ side and use QML only for defining UI | 13:35 |
| mal | freedwhayt: if implement most of the app in c++ then that can be closed source, does the UI side really have so much "secret" stuff that it's a problem? | 13:36 |
| freedwhayt | It's just that the QML exposes a lot of the funcionality how it works and what is doing, that is my concern. | 13:36 |
| Dotti | you can also compile QML code into the executable to make it a bit harder than just copy pasting | 13:36 |
| r0kk3rz | freedwhayt: you also dont *have* to use silica if you really dont want | 13:36 |
| Dotti | freedwhayt: if you are silly enough, you can also encrypt that QML code | 13:37 |
| freedwhayt | yeah, exactly my question is how to compile that QML :) | 13:37 |
| r0kk3rz | freedwhayt: take a look at QuasarMX and Situations | 13:38 |
| freedwhayt | And to be honest I would love to have access to the Sillica interface because it is very important to me, it is directly connected to how the application works. | 13:38 |
| freedwhayt | Jolla dropped some dbus calls and how it is built for security i better have access to Silica in QML | 13:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | what does this app even do? | 13:42 |
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| freedwhayt | I'm legally binded can't disclose a thing :s | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | ok, i was just curious | 13:45 |
| freedwhayt | Nothing fancy indeed. | 13:45 |
| r0kk3rz | so super secret thing that needs to be obfuscated up the wazoo, ummm, yeah you might have to figure that out yourself :) | 13:45 |
| freedwhayt | Its the thing that such thing does not exist on SFOS and there maybe 1-2 apps for iOS/Android like that | 13:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | i guess you can throw it on the developers mailing list | 13:54 |
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| elros_ | freedwhayt: maybe qrc is enough for you? | 14:01 |
| freedwhayt | elros_: you mean encrypting the QML's and decrypting in the C++ code and including with QRC? can QRC take a string and not a file path ? | 14:03 |
| freedwhayt | Because if it needs to be decrypted into a temporary file this defeats the purpose | 14:04 |
| elros_ | I never use it, just a thought. I remember fingerterm used to use qrc: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/fingerterm/commit/5250432d29cb2f392a1912abc56d8a596769d83a | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | you can create qml objects from strings if you really want | 14:07 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like a pita though | 14:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qdeclarativedynamicobjects.html | 14:08 |
| freedwhayt | http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/resources.html#external-binary-resources | 14:09 |
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| freedwhayt | Indeed I can put the QML's in a QRC file. | 14:10 |
| freedwhayt | And if you attach a debugger and dump the ram, their source will be easily seen | 14:10 |
| freedwhayt | Thanks guys, I'll go for the byte compiled thing if it is possible with sfos | 14:16 |
| sledges | wasn't it that Jolla switched to plain-text qml last year? means it's possible to compile qml in | 14:17 |
| sledges | maybe jpetrell could know more | 14:17 |
| sledges | or pvuorela | 14:18 |
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| freedwhayt | thanks sledges for suggestion. first hand experience on this will be great. | 14:21 |
| Mister_Magister | i'm always happy to see new apps | 14:24 |
| Mister_Magister | I didn't want to publish my app source then i realised libpurple has "liberty or die" license :D | 14:24 |
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| jpetrell | sledges: qml compilation comes in later versions of qt, oss qt 5.6 used in sfos doesn't yet support it. plain text qml is nice during development time but yeah precompiled should be noticeably faster | 15:09 |
| sledges | jpetrell: so we had jolla apps shipping plain .qml files from day 0? my bad memory then :) | 15:10 |
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| scratagurf | noob questions.. 1) is it possible to compile & run sailfish on an x86 tablet by compiling it yourself? 2) is it a "full experience", including the app portals, etc.. just like a customer who buys a Jolla device? | 15:13 |
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| scratagurf | *not compiling it on a tablet, for a tablet.. sorry. :) | 15:16 |
| mal | it's possible to have jolla store on ported devices but some third party parts are not available like android support, exchange support and predictive input system | 15:18 |
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| scratagurf | mal: summa summarum, is it worth the task for an everyday device? do i need to compile the updates myself? | 15:23 |
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| mal | you only need to build some packages, most of the system is prebuilt | 15:24 |
| elros_ | Can I somehow force sailfish theme imageprovider to return me icon from z2.0 even if I have pixelratio equal 1? | 15:29 |
| scratagurf | is there any list of supported touch screen and wifi drivers? i know nothing about wayland, X is more familiar.. | 15:29 |
| r0kk3rz | scratagurf: that depends more on your kernel than anything else | 15:30 |
| mal | scratagurf: is the device android device or something else? | 15:31 |
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| scratagurf | r0kk3rz: ok.. i have a kernel driver w/ firmware, it is a trekstor surftab wintron 7.0.. a win10 tablet. | 15:31 |
| scratagurf | x86 with EFI | 15:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | scratagurf: have you tried ubuntu or debian or something on it? | 15:34 |
| scratagurf | debian 9.2.. which i'll configure there first. it installed, needs some fiddling w/ couple of drivers. | 15:35 |
| scratagurf | it ran win10 pretty decently until microsoft's eggheads decided to update their whole os in a single package. | 15:36 |
| scratagurf | :) | 15:36 |
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| onlyopen | hi, i just installed sailfish on my motoG (falcon) and would like to ask, how to change keyboard | 16:27 |
| onlyopen | to dvorak layout? | 16:27 |
| onlyopen | (on screen keyboard...) | 16:27 |
| hahlo | onlyopen: what moto g? five? | 16:28 |
| onlyopen | no, first gen | 16:28 |
| onlyopen | 2013 | 16:28 |
| hahlo | ok | 16:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | onlyopen: there might be something on openrepos for that... | 16:30 |
| onlyopen | ok, how to install that, i have already internet connection and first uptime around 8 minutes... | 16:31 |
| onlyopen | i need joola account? | 16:31 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla account is for the normal store, openrepos.net is the community store | 16:33 |
| onlyopen | ok, how to add openrepos.net? and... where? :) | 16:34 |
| r0kk3rz | you can install warehouse client | 16:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | or just download .rpms with the browser | 16:35 |
| onlyopen | yum is a package manager? | 16:37 |
| r0kk3rz | it is, but not one we use | 16:37 |
| onlyopen | ah, ok, | 16:38 |
| onlyopen | ok, i have openrepos.net opened in the browser window | 16:39 |
| onlyopen | ok, and there is dvorak, english dvorak, and german one... | 16:39 |
| onlyopen | is dvorak works also with other languages? | 16:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i have no idea | 16:40 |
| hahlo | can one install yum in sfos x? | 16:41 |
| r0kk3rz | why would you want to do that? | 16:41 |
| hahlo | I like yum | 16:41 |
| r0kk3rz | pkcon and zypper are available | 16:41 |
| hahlo | ok | 16:41 |
| StucKman | hahlo: it's not up to you to choose, I think | 16:42 |
| onlyopen | i have problem with installation, i'll try with english ersion | 16:42 |
| hahlo | usually one can install diffrent package managers to some distro, I myself are use apt and yum | 16:44 |
| onlyopen | ok, there was some error during installation, but works as english dvorak, thank you a lot! | 16:46 |
| r0kk3rz | hahlo: you can try and install it if you really want, but generally we dont do much with package managers on sfos anyway | 16:48 |
| hahlo | why not? no repos? | 16:49 |
| r0kk3rz | basically | 16:50 |
| r0kk3rz | most things are updated with the os through ui or ssu | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | or they're apps and have a ui manager of some kind | 16:52 |
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| hahlo | I use it by ssh, but ok | 16:52 |
| r0kk3rz | or its one of the few things in mer-tools or on OBS, in which case is it really hard to go `pkcon install blah`? | 16:53 |
| onlyopen | is it possible to connect to mobile thru ssh out of the box? | 16:53 |
| r0kk3rz | onlyopen: yeah, you need to set the password | 16:53 |
| hahlo | I think so yea | 16:53 |
| onlyopen | ok i see... dev tools | 16:54 |
| onlyopen | wow, works :) | 16:55 |
| hahlo | yeah its cool :) | 16:56 |
| elros_ | can I add dependencies in patchmanager2? | 16:57 |
| onlyopen | is it normal that mobile have almost all memory full? | 17:03 |
| StucKman | onlyopen: you mean ram? | 17:09 |
| onlyopen | yes | 17:09 |
| onlyopen | Mem: 908824k total, 888460k used, 20364k free, | 17:10 |
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| onlyopen | oh, inside of terminal there is no dvorak also, should i download something, or try to set up kyb env setting somwhere? | 17:13 |
| onlyopen | ok, i see... (about mem) without browser, contacts and sms app, there is 200M more ;) | 17:14 |
| onlyopen | ok, i can live with it | 17:14 |
| pavi[m] | r0kk3rz (IRC): Thanks for your help on the matrix client. Its nice to finally have a native client. | 17:15 |
| elros_ | what is the safe way to add particular package version dependecies for patch? | 17:18 |
| StucKman | onlyopen: that's normal in any linux machine | 17:19 |
| StucKman | what's not used by apps is used as cache | 17:20 |
| onlyopen | i don't think so, i have running OS with 300MB used ram on bananapi, but here maybe this graphic apps take more | 17:21 |
| elros_ | I have 400MB used in htop with 3 apps opened (without browser) | 17:22 |
| onlyopen | i have fresh installation and top showing 725MB used | 17:24 |
| elros_ | What about after reboot/lipstick restart? | 17:26 |
| onlyopen | i'll try in a while, i'm looking for option to add contacts from vcf file, do you know maybe how to do that? | 17:28 |
| elros_ | nope | 17:31 |
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| elros_ | coderus: can I add pkg dependencies in my patch or I need to use rpm? | 17:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | pavi[m]: does it work for you? | 17:43 |
| r0kk3rz | pavi[m]: its a bit basic... | 17:43 |
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| onlyopen | elros: just in case, from settings menu > applications > people > "from contact file" | 17:43 |
| pavi[m] | r0kk3rz (IRC): Yeah it works nice :-) | 17:44 |
| pavi[m] | Able to see groups | 17:44 |
| pavi[m] | send a message to group | 17:44 |
| pavi[m] | Which is a good start imho for matrix. | 17:44 |
| pavi[m] | Lots of things to be added but something is better than nothing. | 17:44 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 17:45 |
| onlyopen | than you, r0kk3rz and rest of you, now i have to look around and see you soon :) | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | onlyopen: keep sailing! | 17:49 |
| onlyopen | elros: after reboot, 580MB used | 17:49 |
| onlyopen | withou any apps, only wifi and ssh and top inside... | 17:49 |
| onlyopen | thanks, bye! | 17:50 |
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| pavi[m] | r0kk3rz (IRC): I like the IRC client on SFOS, wish matrix comes to that level feature wise. | 17:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | pavi[m]: we can only hope | 18:00 |
| pavi[m] | Not hope, but also possible. | 18:01 |
| pavi[m] | What we can dream of is video calls via the app. | 18:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | ermagerd video calls, what insanity | 18:02 |
| r0kk3rz | it'll be like living in the 21st century | 18:02 |
| r0kk3rz | so future, much wow | 18:02 |
| LarstiQ | it's good r0kk3rz is not cynical :) | 18:03 |
| r0kk3rz | :D | 18:05 |
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| kimmoli | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eerste_proef_met_beeldtelefoon_Weeknummer_74-12_-_Open_Beelden_-_23173.ogv | 18:17 |
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| pavi[m] | r0kk3rz (IRC): Riot does it with webrtc. I cant imagine how a Qt app can do it? | 18:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | pavi[m]: yeah idk, qt would need to support webrtc or something | 19:59 |
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| x2s | r0kk3rz: pavi[m]: Uhm: http://research.edm.uhasselt.be/jori/page/Misc/QtWebRTC.html | 21:53 |
| pavi[m] | Nice so there is hope after all :) | 21:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yes i found that, lets see if it will work | 22:04 |
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| Mister_Magister | eclipse… 550% cpu usage | 22:29 |
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| x2s | Mister_Magister: and only 450% are for the java vm ;P | 23:08 |
| Mister_Magister | what do you mean? rest of the cpu is not used | 23:10 |
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