Thursday, 2017-10-12

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blabberhmmm... i am not sure if i unserstand the installation instructions for sailfishx correctly.05:13
blabberi prepared for the release by updating the xperia to the latest android version and unlocked the boot loader.05:13
blabberdoes that mean I don't have to use EMMA at all?05:13
Nrsistiyes, if you have updated android to latest via OTA05:14
blabberthat's what i figured, thanks for verification05:15
blabberso just download the two zips, copy them together and run a batch file. nice.05:15
Nrsistiand install windows drivers if you are using windows05:16
blabberi unlocked the phone using fastboot on windows. so i guess i should be fine.05:17
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nekronOne thing that should be noted about unlocking the bootload is to type the hexcode UPPERCASE... that was my fault yesterday when flashing the device on Linux07:20
nekron*bootloader07:21
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Markkyboy@ghosalmartin - Hi, success with Station messages, now just need to find a way to stop messages repeating/doubling up when Arrivals/Departures is refreshed. Also, as suggested in your description of your app on Openrepos, a cover with useful information, well, I've managed to get arrival/departure/platform showing but without header, which is decided by an if/else statement, so needs some work to get it to show.  Ideas appreci09:26
Markkyboy@ghosalmartin - Also, I have added 18 new stations to the sqlite file and recompiled the app, but the new stations do not show in the search..?, any ideas?09:27
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, i think you need to regenerate the sqlite db since thats just copied to the users device on install09:29
MarkkyboyI guessed something was missing - how do I regenerate?09:31
sledgesMarkkyboy: awesome app! (NationalRail UK for SFOS \o/)09:31
Markkyboy@sledges - all thanks to ghosalmartin - he built the app, I've just copied it and added some jazz :)09:31
MarkkyboyI have also added colour coding to the operators, like blue for Southeastern trains, etc..works well.09:32
Markkyboyjust crank starting the SDK.....7 mins and counting :(09:32
sledgeslol then thanks muchly ghosalmartin again:) ^^ cc lbt stephg vgrade r0kk3rz (when in UK :P) need to tell ggabriel and alterego too:)09:33
Markkyboydoes anyone else have to wait about 7 minutes for SDK to appear on screen?, I wouldn't mind, but my laptop is not short on resources!09:36
sledgesMarkkyboy: what does launching from cmdline say? (cc Jare_ martyone)09:41
Markkyboy@sledges - I haven't tried that....ah, it's launched now - but will check that out at some point.09:43
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ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, I dunno :P09:46
ghosalmartinI can't remember its been a while tbh09:47
Markkyboyno worries, I will keep searching/trying stuff :)09:47
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, did you redo the install?09:48
Markkyboywhat do you mean?09:49
ghosalmartinif you look in harbour-nationalrail.cpp it doesnt recopy the stationsDB.sqlite file if it already exists09:49
ghosalmartinalready theres a memory leak somewhere because the app decides to randomly not start09:49
ghosalmartinit might be the new Database object :P09:49
Markkyboyahhhh, that's what causes the hang when starting the app09:50
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, well am not sure, something causes it to hang09:50
Markkyboybut not always, sometimes the app starts really quickly09:51
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, thats the nature of mem leaks :P09:52
MarkkyboyI see, am looking at harbour-nationalrail.cpp and I can see the 'if file exists'......"Database does not exist, copying" - so, how do I get round this?, by manually copying file to device after install of app?09:57
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ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, uninstall the app then reinstall10:04
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Markkyboydoesn't make any difference10:08
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ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, go in manually and make sure the files deleted10:23
ghosalmartintbf what you should do it make a network call to go get the stations manually and put them in the db10:24
ghosalmartinthat way its always up to date10:24
Markkyboymanually removed, restarted app, new stations still not showing.10:27
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Markkyboynope, i think it fair to say, I don't get it. Will come back to it later, thanks for now Martin10:50
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blabberis gps expected to work in sailfishx?14:24
jakibakiblabber: Works for me (at least in aliendalvik)14:24
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blabberhm. i have not tried it in aliendalvik yet :/14:30
blabberi guess i'll have to tinker around with this a little more.14:38
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M4rtinKlocation seems to be doing something14:42
M4rtinKonce enabled in settings14:42
M4rtinKstill no real fix yet (looks like country wide default so far)14:43
M4rtinK(in native app-modRana)14:44
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Markkyboy@ghosalmartin - I exported stationsDB.sqlite to desktop and manually added 18 new stations, all are now showing in the app, yay! :)14:53
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, woop woop :D14:54
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, am guessing I ran some kind of script that did that basically at the time14:55
Markkyboyeither way, it's a cool application you've thrown together....how long did it take you to write/build?14:55
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, it was when I was first learning sfos apps, so think a week or so14:56
ghosalmartinhad massive help from quite a few peeps on this channel14:56
Markkyboywow, a week........excellent.14:56
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ghosalmartinthere was another train app for other countries14:57
ghosalmartinbut it allowed you to provide plugins14:57
Markkyboyyes, I see shout-outs to those who helped,, they are dotted around certain files.14:57
Markkyboyoh gawd, plugins, another thing for me to wrap my head around :P14:57
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, well just some code to connect it to the service and then transplant into there app14:58
MarkkyboyI came into this 4 years ago and have been teaching myself in between working, I have so much to learn.14:58
ghosalmartinMarkkyboy, i havent really done much sfos app development, mainly work on porting now14:59
MarkkyboyYeah, easy when you know how isn't it :) - I can install a £20,000 conservatory in less than a week, but it took me years of practice - which I haven't had with coding and....I'm a slow learner!14:59
Markkyboycool, what is your latest port/project?15:00
ghosalmartinports have slowed down was working on the nexus 5x and doing building for the Xperia X15:05
M4rtinKblabber, jakibaki: doesn't seem to work for native apps15:05
M4rtinKstill getting the default location & location icon in status bar blinking15:05
M4rtinKfor 20+ minutes15:05
MarkkyboyCool, I notice a fair few features missing from the first release of SFOS for XsfosX15:06
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r0kk3rzXsfosX? is that a new straight edge band?15:08
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Markkyboylol, it was a crap attempt at coining a new phrase for Xperia SFOS :D15:09
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r0kk3rzsfX is probably appropriate for Sailfish X15:10
Markkyboyright, now to stop Station messages from doubling up each time arrivals/departures are refreshed.15:11
MarkkyboyAgree @r0kk3rz, much easier......15:11
* M4rtinK suggests calling it Sailfish XX15:12
r0kk3rzthat seems like an odd abbreviation for Sailfish X :P15:15
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M4rtinKor maybe even Sailfish XXX15:16
M4rtinKAKA Sailfish tripple-X15:17
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M4rtinKbecause it is Sailfish X on Xperia X15:17
nh1402[m]that would imply Sailfish is only appropriate for people above the age of 18 or 21 in some places15:18
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LarstiQor those living in Amsterdam16:37
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M4rtinKor Vin Diesel16:39
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LarstiQhmm, maybe people would think I'm Vin Diesel if I had Sailfish XXX16:40
leszekstill no Sailfish X here :/16:41
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M4rtinKbecause of the payment method limitations ?16:42
leszekM4rtinK: exactly16:42
leszekI don't have a credit card. And getting one only for Sailfish X is insane16:42
M4rtinKwell, Paypal in itself also isn't a good bet16:43
M4rtinKhttps://3dprintingindustry.com/news/1-million-prusa-paypal-funds-frozen-101459/16:43
M4rtinKhttp://www.prusaprinters.org/warning-businesses-never-use-paypal-primary-payment-method/16:43
M4rtinKpretty similar case - you use Paypal for a successful project, they freeze your funds16:44
M4rtinK+ the cut Paypal takes on the transactions16:44
leszekYeah I know the problems with PayPal16:44
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M4rtinKwhat about https://www.entropay.com/ or something like that ?16:45
leszekthough I don't see the issue why I can't pay like in every other online shop where it is allowed to play via a SEPA-transaction16:45
leszekplay xD pay I mean16:45
M4rtinKwell, that seems to be a regional thing16:45
louisdkHow do I transfer content from Jolla 1 to Xperia X? There no field called "Bluetooth sync"16:45
leszekM4rtinK: yep searching for something like this. Though it will take about a week for a prepaid virtual credit card16:46
M4rtinKit's generally also supported in Czech eshops, but haven't really seen in anywhere else16:46
leszekyou need to verify your bank account16:46
M4rtinKlouisdk: do a backup, extract the all.vcf file from it16:46
leszeklouisdk: I guess exporting all contacts as vcard and then importing it16:46
M4rtinKlouisdk: drop it on SDcard in X16:47
M4rtinKimport that16:47
M4rtinKthat's what I did yesterday16:47
M4rtinKlikely the missing Bluetooth functionality is at fault here16:47
leszekM4rtinK: I read about Bluetooth being supported for playing back media like headsets and so on16:48
M4rtinKyeah, heard that as well16:48
leszekSo in general some bluetooth features aren't supported16:48
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M4rtinKhaven't tried yet myself16:48
M4rtinKlikely some of the profiles are still missing16:49
leszekI had a plan layed out what to present and test and creating a video. I wanted to do that all yesterday. Though that plan failed due me not able to get Sailfish X16:49
LarstiQ:/16:49
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M4rtinKleszek: you should have backed the tablet like me and you would not have had such issues :)17:08
M4rtinKno payment issues at all that way ;-)17:09
leszekM4rtinK: I have backed the tablet and lying it around here in my kitchen as surfstation :P17:09
leszekI also made tablet review videos btw. :P17:09
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M4rtinKso you were lucky (got the tablet) and unlucky (can't use the refund to pay for Sailfish X) at once :-)17:11
leszekguess my luck ran out. After being one of the fews who actually got a tablet :=)17:11
M-schmittlauchleszek: I could trade a Jolla Tablet Refund code fpr getting SailfishX for money sent via SEPA if you want to do that.17:11
M4rtinKthat should work - the voucher is just a code you enter in Jolla shop17:11
leszekM-schmittlauch: I also have a Jolla C voucher so basically I have to pay 39,9017:11
leszekM-schmittlauch: thanks. I will take a look after I find time again. My sister has a prepaid credit card and I asked here already17:12
M-schmittlauchok17:12
leszekso she will transfer money to her card and I will be able to buy Sailfish X17:13
M4rtinKsee how Sailfish X is strengthening the overall community - making people cooperate ? ;-)17:14
leszekthough that will take some days. And I am not home for the next week so no one should expect video reviews or tutorials in the next week. I will get my hands on Sailfish X most likely next weekend17:14
leszekso not this weekend17:14
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IngvixThey've really made pulleymenus hard to improvise with. There seems to be no possibility to have a quickselectable item that wouldn't close the menu when selected. If this would be possible it would really widen the possibilities of the pulleymenus17:45
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Ingvixwell, basicly it's possible but can't get the highlight bar to attach the item so it look and feel kinda bad17:48
Ingvix*attach to17:49
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r0kk3rzwhy would you want to do that?17:52
blabberM4rtinK, GPS worked with modRana on my SailfishX. Just had to leave the building to get the GPS fix17:53
Ingvixr0kk3rz, so I could place a textfield in the menu and change the focus to it without opening the whole menu and then tapping the field17:54
r0kk3rzthat sounds like not a pully menu, but a drawer instead17:54
Ingvixwell, true but wouldn't hurt to have the possibility17:56
r0kk3rzyou can always make your own components :P17:58
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Ingvixyes, but it's always a joy if you can use the system component when ever possible18:01
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ghosalmartinMister_Magister, can you upload those bluez rpms somewhere18:03
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M4rtinKblabber: interesting - I'll try that as well18:04
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Jef91So in theory if someone in the US used a VPN to purchase the Sailfish OS image for the Sony X would it work for them without issues?18:25
ghosalmartinyes18:25
Jef91Or do the images have region specific support / features18:25
ghosalmartindisclaimer i take no responsibility, i cant see there being region specific issues tbh but who knows18:25
pavi[m]Modem? GSM? Hope its similar modem.18:25
Jef91Yea, sometimes devices have different modems, but I think the unlocked ones are all the same?18:26
ghosalmartinwell doesnt eh sony xperia X work in the US18:26
Jef91Correct. I have an unlocked version I'm using with Android now.18:26
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keithzg[m]Is the modem firmware even necessarily something you'd need to flash as part of flashing SailfishX?18:41
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keithzg[m]I remember with my Nexus 4 I was even able to get it running atop a far newer version of CyanogenMod (at the time) and the radio firmware just by way of an explicit systemd mount. So I'd imagine even if you'd need different firmware for the US model, there's a way :)18:42
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r0kk3rzin the Xperia X's case, i dont think it is a different model18:44
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Ingvixso my RegExpValidator sees it as a no character case if the typed word is in the autocomplete mode18:58
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Ingvixis there any other way around this than disabling the predictive mode18:59
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M4rtinK_phone_blabber: yep, got GPS lock in the end21:59
M4rtinK_phone_just tookvsome time outside22:00
M4rtinK_phone_hopefully it's just the initial lock22:00
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