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| Mister_Magister1 | saidinesh5: ping | 05:57 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: SSUP | 07:30 |
| Mister_Magister | nice caps :D | 07:30 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i can't change name of app because twitter plugin logins using oauth to twitter app so i would have to make my own and chanege oauth | 07:30 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah .. still waking up.. | 07:31 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: also keep in mind that twitter restricts the number of users per oauth token or something | 07:31 |
| saidinesh5 | so you maybe better off making that change of name of app | 07:31 |
| saidinesh5 | chances are you aren't the only one using libpurple for twitter too | 07:32 |
| Mister_Magister | i would have to rebrand plugin | 07:32 |
| Mister_Magister | better no | 07:32 |
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| saidinesh5 | hmm | 07:33 |
| saidinesh5 | meanwhile my sailfish sdk seems to be breaking crazy.. | 07:34 |
| saidinesh5 | su: ignoring --preserve-environment, it's mutually exclusive with --login | 07:34 |
| saidinesh5 | Last login: Mon Sep 4 03:23:54 EDT 2017 on pts/1 | 07:34 |
| saidinesh5 | su: failed to execute /bin/bash: Resource temporarily unavailable | 07:34 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: close chrome | 07:42 |
| saidinesh5 | lol why? | 07:43 |
| Mister_Magister | you will se | 07:43 |
| Mister_Magister | see* | 07:43 |
| Mister_Magister | and then enter sfossdk | 07:43 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: it's working now? | 07:47 |
| * saidinesh5 is still trying to finish his standup message in chrome | 07:47 | |
| Mister_Magister | lol | 07:47 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: nothing changed | 07:50 |
| Mister_Magister | reboot pc | 07:50 |
| saidinesh5 | yeah trying that now.. | 07:50 |
| Mister_Magister | and don't start chrome | 07:50 |
| saidinesh5 | okay will have to finish the mail to customer care first | 07:50 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: about messenger, it's like pidgin it uses plugins so changing names doesn't make much sense | 07:54 |
| Mister_Magister | i'll have to make slack plugin | 07:54 |
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| chriadam_ | PSA: Sailfish OS CalDAV/CardDAV Contributors meeting in #mer-meeting in approx 1 hr | 07:58 |
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| Mister_Magister | can somebody add topic for next mer-meeting for me? | 08:03 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: dont you have a jolla account? | 08:06 |
| Mister_Magister | i do, but i can't find edit button | 08:06 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe you dont have enough karma | 08:07 |
| nh1402 | Mister_Magister: what's the details | 08:07 |
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| nh1402 | I've added 2, and noticed someone made a post in the wiki, which I had to put in the main post | 08:07 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: i think 1 is not enaugh | 08:07 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402: i need updated libgcrypt to at least 1.6.0 for telegram-purple | 08:08 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: nah... you need like 75 i think. spam some topics and get some votes :) | 08:08 |
| Mister_Magister | i have compiled it myself and it's working nice | 08:08 |
| Mister_Magister | but replacing system lib is not good at all | 08:08 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: thats just a simple request, a tjc question is fine for that | 08:09 |
| Mister_Magister | ah ok | 08:09 |
| Mister_Magister | tjc? | 08:09 |
| r0kk3rz | together.jolla.com | 08:10 |
| Mister_Magister | ah | 08:10 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: statically link libgcrypt? | 08:12 |
| nh1402 | Mister_Magister: done, https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ | 08:13 |
| nh1402 | Mister_Magister: is that alright? | 08:13 |
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| Mister_Magister | nh1402: i actually added it to tjc as r0kk3rz said but okay | 08:16 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402: yeah it's good | 08:16 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: we will have one awesomely outdated thing less | 08:17 |
| saidinesh5 | heh | 08:17 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: another thing you can do is package your app into an appimage | 08:17 |
| saidinesh5 | that solves a lot of headaches and make it easily redistributable | 08:17 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: suuure | 08:18 |
| saidinesh5 | that's what we did for vsxu after getting sick of all the distro specific headaches | 08:18 |
| Mister_Magister | but using something backported from obs.. i want to use str8 from sfos | 08:18 |
| saidinesh5 | AppImage = like flatpack/snaps but without the need for snapd/some other flatpack dependency | 08:19 |
| Mister_Magister | what | 08:19 |
| saidinesh5 | http://appimage.org/ | 08:20 |
| Mister_Magister | Linus Torvalds | 08:20 |
| Mister_Magister | "This is just very cool." | 08:20 |
| Mister_Magister | i just love this guy | 08:20 |
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| saidinesh5 | appimages are actually nice too | 08:21 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds a lot like an osx style .dmg | 08:21 |
| saidinesh5 | yep | 08:21 |
| Mister_Magister | or exe | 08:21 |
| saidinesh5 | more like .dmg | 08:21 |
| saidinesh5 | i think | 08:21 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, static linking everything into one blob would be an exe :) | 08:22 |
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| saidinesh5 | heh yeah but appimage is more like a mini filesystem.. that has a bit of executable to mount it and execute your program on run | 08:22 |
| Mister_Magister | i would prefer just updated pkg i think | 08:23 |
| saidinesh5 | i think even N9 did it better .. i think it is time we separate base distro from applications, when it comes to packaging | 08:23 |
| Mister_Magister | jike harbour? | 08:24 |
| saidinesh5 | harbour too.. kind of | 08:24 |
| saidinesh5 | i liked the /opt/<package> of N9 better though | 08:25 |
| r0kk3rz | you can pack it in your app directory cant you? | 08:26 |
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| saidinesh5 | that's what harbour does right? | 08:26 |
| saidinesh5 | morning leszek | 08:26 |
| leszek | hi | 08:26 |
| Mister_Magister | can't we just have one package updated? lol | 08:27 |
| saidinesh5 | the advantage with AppImages could be that "move this app to sdcard" becomes trivial to implement too... | 08:27 |
| r0kk3rz | saidinesh5: yeah true, make it happen :) | 08:27 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i have like 5GB of /data space | 08:27 |
| Mister_Magister | never had too low momory problem | 08:27 |
| Mister_Magister | so it's a bit useless i think | 08:27 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: the package is on Mer, update it yourself and make a MR | 08:27 |
| r0kk3rz | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/libgcrypt | 08:28 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: i've build it myself but i don't know anything about what they did to that package | 08:28 |
| Mister_Magister | how it's make | 08:28 |
| Mister_Magister | i can't | 08:28 |
| saidinesh5 | r0kk3rz: I think harbour can't go via. appimages because they wont be able to inspect it properly with their scripts then .. can they? | 08:28 |
| r0kk3rz | saidinesh5: they might need to change things to allow it, but having it working on sfos is a start i think | 08:29 |
| saidinesh5 | right now what's the status with flatpack vs. snapd in sailfish? | 08:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | probably still nowhere further than 'yeah that would be a nice idea' | 08:30 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 08:30 |
| r0kk3rz | i expect they will hold off on that until another Qt upgrade or something | 08:30 |
| r0kk3rz | something that will break all the apps on harbour anyway | 08:31 |
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| saidinesh5 | actually there is nothing really to be done make "appimages" work on sailfish | 08:32 |
| saidinesh5 | it is just people should start packaging their apps into appimages | 08:32 |
| r0kk3rz | do a guide then | 08:33 |
| Mister_Magister | speaking of which | 08:33 |
| Mister_Magister | i had to add something to hadk-faq | 08:33 |
| saidinesh5 | yeah that reminds me time to reboot | 08:33 |
| saidinesh5 | and see if that fixes my sfossdl | 08:33 |
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| leszek | depending on what to include in the appimage you might not be allowed to do ship the appimage (if it for example includes silica) | 08:34 |
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| leszek | -do | 08:37 |
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| saidinesh5 | hmm... cannot open /tmp/sb2-helios-20170904-043849.zE1835/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-install/config.lua: No such file or directory | 08:39 |
| saidinesh5 | silica should be assumed to be part of the base distro no? | 08:40 |
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| leszek | saidinesh5: yeah it could be though than I don't see much benefit in using appimage | 08:44 |
| leszek | it will bring in more problems then it will solve | 08:44 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: the only one i can think of is "Move App to SD" | 08:45 |
| leszek | like if you include libs that aren't updated | 08:45 |
| saidinesh5 | those problems are already there | 08:45 |
| saidinesh5 | with harbour rules | 08:45 |
| leszek | nope why? Jolla can update the system together with its libs | 08:45 |
| saidinesh5 | currently you pack your own libraries into /usr/share/<app>/lib or something right? | 08:45 |
| leszek | the majority is not shipping their own libs are they ? | 08:46 |
| leszek | that would be ultra bad | 08:46 |
| r0kk3rz | saidinesh5: depends, you don't *have* to do it that way if its part of the base distro | 08:46 |
| r0kk3rz | leszek: ultra bad? its basically a requirement for harbour approval | 08:46 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: but otherwise there is not much difference between an appimage and an harbour app except less storage by appimages + "move to SD" support | 08:47 |
| saidinesh5 | i think appimages are easier to sandbox too using bubblewrap or something but I haven't tried it. so not sure | 08:47 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: of course it is ultra bad from a security standpoint | 08:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | well we can just add that to the list shall we? | 08:48 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: I would suggest another method of just expanding the space for apps with the sd card by using aufs or overlayfs | 08:48 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: but that's something still Jolla has to implement no? | 08:48 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: a shell script and a button in settings thats all what is needed | 08:49 |
| saidinesh5 | lol , same for supporting AppImages.. | 08:49 |
| leszek | I think you can even if you are fancy set if to use both sd card and internal card for storing new apps or if you only want new apps to be stored on sd card | 08:50 |
| leszek | the appimage way needs also implementations in the sdk if this should be officially supported | 08:50 |
| leszek | though you are right the appimage is more flexible and basically you can manually move or backup that file and should be able to execute it on a new phone which runs the same sailfishos version | 08:51 |
| saidinesh5 | Yeah the sdk bit needs to be taken care of .. they do have rpm to appimage conversion kits.. | 08:51 |
| r0kk3rz | its just a different packaging method yeah? | 08:51 |
| saidinesh5 | yup | 08:51 |
| saidinesh5 | more or less | 08:51 |
| saidinesh5 | one with a requirement that your binaries should be relocatable | 08:51 |
| r0kk3rz | they need to change the sdk anyway to get rid of spectacle | 08:52 |
| leszek | and of course if you use appimages you gain the benefit of having multiple versions of one app that you can start on your phone | 08:53 |
| saidinesh5 | yup that too. | 08:53 |
| r0kk3rz | saidinesh5: add it to the meeting this week | 08:53 |
| Mister_Magister1 | Wow that irc plugin is really working | 08:54 |
| leszek | yeah I think this will be interesting to discuss there | 08:54 |
| saidinesh5 | r0kk3rz: when is the meeting after this week? | 08:54 |
| leszek | on wednesday | 08:54 |
| r0kk3rz | usually every two weeks | 08:54 |
| saidinesh5 | I would like to make a prototype before adding it to the meeting basically | 08:54 |
| leszek | an appimage you mean? | 08:54 |
| saidinesh5 | yep | 08:54 |
| leszek | Yeah we could also try out the rpm to appimage converter thing for some apps from openrepos couldn't we | 08:55 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: it would also make a perfect example for shipping webcat with its custom qtwebkit engine | 08:55 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: lol that's axactlywhy i was thinking of appimages.. "droplet browser + stupid webkit upgraded plugin" | 08:55 |
| leszek | so I could ship webcat with qtwebkit 5.212 without it being used for other system components like jolla-email and other apps like sailbook | 08:55 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm | 08:56 |
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| leszek | saidinesh5: I plan also to prepare some topic for this weeks meeting regarding qtwebkit. Though I need to first prepare the code I guess on a github page (have a repo already with older qtwebkit source) | 08:57 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: https://s26.postimg.org/bl4qqhert/Screenshot_20170904_001.png | 08:57 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: what do you think? | 08:58 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: So hows the new qtwebkit? | 08:58 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: looks good. make the chat bubbles wider? | 08:59 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: yeah probably. it's mostly resolution depend text is small too | 09:00 |
| Mister_Magister | sfos is not good at handling big resolutions natively | 09:00 |
| saidinesh5 | that's a screenshot on your phone? | 09:00 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah what else can it be? | 09:01 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: it looks fine to me. The html5 audio + video support is partially broken though | 09:01 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ahh.. broken how? what does it use now for audio + video? | 09:01 |
| Mister_Magister | and it's closing connection when i close app withot delay | 09:01 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: lol emulator? | 09:01 |
| Mister_Magister | nice | 09:01 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: who uses that :D | 09:01 |
| Mister_Magister | psyhical phones are faster | 09:02 |
| saidinesh5 | I actually do | 09:02 |
| saidinesh5 | makes things faster | 09:02 |
| saidinesh5 | and safer | 09:02 |
| Mister_Magister | faster is to use psyhical phone i think | 09:02 |
| saidinesh5 | nah.. virtual box anyday | 09:02 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: it uses gstreamer. It is broken in that way that on every loading of media it mutes the audio. If you don't happen to have an audio slider in the video or audio player you can't here shit | 09:02 |
| leszek | and the video playback is like 10fps or 15fps at max | 09:02 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 09:03 |
| leszek | so unusable I am afraid | 09:03 |
| saidinesh5 | I think there was a gstreamer update a few months ago to implement 0 copy playback on wayland | 09:03 |
| leszek | what we actually need to do is to write a wrapper basically which only signals the native player in webcat for example what the source of the video file is and let it handle the playback then | 09:03 |
| leszek | though that needs some digging into qtwebkit and its sources | 09:04 |
| saidinesh5 | or a simple ugly js wrapper? | 09:04 |
| leszek | still I a get the impression that qtwebkit 5.212 is not only faster but also a lot more stable | 09:04 |
| saidinesh5 | not sure how well it would handle youtube etc.. though | 09:04 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: yeah thats another problem | 09:05 |
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| leszek | youtubes side blacklisted webcats useragent | 09:05 |
| saidinesh5 | lol | 09:05 |
| leszek | so no video for us anymore xD | 09:05 |
| saidinesh5 | already? | 09:05 |
| leszek | but of course my mediaDetection.js script still is able to detect youtube sides and offer the playback | 09:05 |
| leszek | I think I have to change the user agent slightly to improve things. But I need to test this with cookies removed of course | 09:06 |
| leszek | the other thing that I still could test is not compiling qtwebkit with gstreamer support but qtmultimedia support. Though qtmultimedia then would use gstreamer as backend. But maybe it solves the audio always muted problem | 09:08 |
| leszek | also playing html5 audio + video eats up battery. My jolla tablet went from 40% to 4 % xD | 09:10 |
| leszek | I guess it was fully using the cpu and not one bit the gpu | 09:10 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: i feel how my snap810 would get hot :D | 09:11 |
| saidinesh5 | ah thats definitely playing on the cpu | 09:11 |
| leszek | still there are some other bugs also | 09:11 |
| leszek | with autocorrection on the cursor positions itself on the first letter of a word when you are typing | 09:12 |
| leszek | some other minor issues. Still worthy to consider using qtwebkit 5.212 especially for the better web experience in general | 09:12 |
| leszek | the small issues can be fixed I guess. Either by turning auto correction completely off or developing a patch for it | 09:13 |
| leszek | the html5 audio + video should be enabled in general but perhaps we can really replace the native players (that ship on the html site) with our own which just uses the native video player and does not have any problem with stuttering video and muted audio | 09:14 |
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| saidinesh5 | but what about sites that require playback in thumbnail etc.. ? | 09:16 |
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| leszek | require? Currently webcat just doesn't care | 09:18 |
| leszek | and plays it in fullscreen | 09:18 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah | 09:18 |
| leszek | for smartphones it does not make much sense anyway as the screens are too small | 09:18 |
| saidinesh5 | soundcloud etc.. are nicer on the webinterface though | 09:19 |
| saidinesh5 | you get to see live comments.. | 09:19 |
| leszek | thats true | 09:19 |
| leszek | for audio the default player makes a lot of sense | 09:19 |
| leszek | if we could only find a way to hook into the play button and then execute besides the code the player has the unmute command | 09:20 |
| saidinesh5 | how does ubuntu touch deal with this? | 09:22 |
| saidinesh5 | in their custom oxide browser | 09:23 |
| leszek | they use the native chromium/oxide stuff | 09:23 |
| leszek | that apparently has mir/wayland support | 09:23 |
| leszek | aswell as using gpu I guess. Though could be also using cpu on some devices only eating up battery | 09:24 |
| leszek | at least on the nexus5 build it was the latter | 09:24 |
| saidinesh5 | I see | 09:27 |
| nh1402 | does the ytplayer support 1080 videos? | 09:27 |
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| leszek | nope 720p only on webcat | 09:37 |
| nh1402 | is that an API limitation, codec issue or something else? | 09:38 |
| r0kk3rz | codec probably | 09:38 |
| nh1402 | if that is the case shall I bring up the topic in the meeting, we are now getting an official device with a 1080p screen, although the tablet has a higher res screen, and they didn't do anything as far as I know. | 09:40 |
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| locusf | eh | 09:40 |
| leszek | nh1402: its an api limitation for webcat. We use the old api for youtube to get the 720p, 480p, 360p and 240p video streams | 09:41 |
| leszek | We = I actually | 09:41 |
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| nh1402 | I thought webcat was a browser, and ytplayer was different | 09:42 |
| locusf | you still need to get the video stream using the api | 09:42 |
| leszek | ah ytplayer as in the application | 09:42 |
| leszek | that I don't know. | 09:43 |
| leszek | not related to that | 09:43 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt that rather unmaintained by now? | 09:43 |
| leszek | I am still surprised it is in the store besides it is clearly violating the harbour rules | 09:43 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: apparently someone has made a fork and maintains that on warehouse | 09:43 |
| r0kk3rz | ah its by tworaz, maybe he bypassed the usual rules leszek :) | 09:44 |
| leszek | shouldn't it be using youtube-dl by now as backend? | 09:44 |
| nh1402 | leszek: well the guy used to be the browser guy at Jolla | 09:44 |
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| nh1402 | leszek: how much different is the new API for youtube? | 09:48 |
| leszek | it is different if you mean v3. You need to have an API key to access it. But in general I am only using this API for getting the title of a video. I am not using it for getting the video stream url | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i'll probably use my keyboard to make messages sounds | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | that way i'll copyright that :D | 09:50 |
| saidinesh5 | keyboard? | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: https://www.keyboards.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Nektar-Impact-LX-49-USB-Controller-Keyboard.jpg | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | this type of keyboard | 09:53 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: try if this suits you: https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1031193/ | 09:54 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: what? | 09:54 |
| saidinesh5 | 1 sec | 09:56 |
| saidinesh5 | checl that link | 09:56 |
| Mister_Magister | i see photo | 09:57 |
| Mister_Magister | photo is not a sound lol | 09:57 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: no.. that's a sound theme | 10:06 |
| saidinesh5 | with a sound for message too | 10:06 |
| saidinesh5 | i use that on my phone actually | 10:06 |
| saidinesh5 | i also use that Startup music as my ringtone | 10:06 |
| Mister_Magister | what do you mean i see only picture there | 10:07 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh wrong link | 10:08 |
| saidinesh5 | https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1149481/ | 10:08 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i can use http://opengameart.org/ | 10:08 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: sure, that's a nice place too | 10:08 |
| Mister_Magister | but want to make it myself, for fun | 10:08 |
| Mister_Magister | because why not | 10:08 |
| Mister_Magister | :D | 10:08 |
| saidinesh5 | lol | 10:08 |
| saidinesh5 | do give my files a shot | 10:09 |
| Mister_Magister | ah it's yours? | 10:09 |
| saidinesh5 | i remember taking pains to record/optimise things | 10:09 |
| saidinesh5 | yep | 10:09 |
| saidinesh5 | made a lot of mistakes / assumptions before reaching those files | 10:09 |
| saidinesh5 | the first versions had a lot more sound in bass and most smartphone speakers didnt make much sound because of that | 10:10 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: oohhhh nice i'll never make that good sounds | 10:10 |
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| saidinesh5 | I think I have the actual source files too somewhere.. back in my university days i collected a bunch of soundfonts, vst plugins, free music making software.. | 10:11 |
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| saidinesh5 | but i think the ogg files in there should be good enough for you, | 10:11 |
| Mister_Magister | lol it's very poor quality kije 70kbps | 10:13 |
| Mister_Magister | but it does not sound poor quality | 10:13 |
| saidinesh5 | I can give you the raw wave files too | 10:14 |
| Mister_Magister | if you can then :) | 10:14 |
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| saidinesh5 | check your PM | 10:18 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah i've seen that | 10:20 |
| Mister_Magister | actually so many people messaging me so i can't work at all | 10:21 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: what can i do with that flp lol | 10:26 |
| saidinesh5 | lol open it in fl studio / lmms | 10:26 |
| saidinesh5 | although you would need my soundfonts and vsts too for that I think | 10:26 |
| saidinesh5 | replicating that environment would be a challenge even for me after all these years | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | i'll stick with ogg then | 10:27 |
| saidinesh5 | wav too.. | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | wav? | 10:27 |
| saidinesh5 | you can then export the wave files into the bitrates you like | 10:27 |
| saidinesh5 | i didnt send you the wave files? | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | there is only one wav | 10:27 |
| saidinesh5 | oh.. | 10:28 |
| saidinesh5 | okaywrong link probably lol | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | this "Trash" wav | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | lol | 10:28 |
| saidinesh5 | i probably have the wav files somewhere in the other hard drive | 10:28 |
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| leszek | hey javascript foo at least allows me to set the volume on html5 audio + video as unmuted. Progress ... :) | 12:01 |
| coderus | leszek: what about webrtc? :) | 12:04 |
| leszek | coderus: unfortunately not supported. Or at least cmake disabled it by default | 12:05 |
| leszek | hmm... embedded youtube videos don't have sound. Holy crap of workarounds for the help | 12:06 |
| coderus | leszek: okay, please come back with webrtc and then we can talk ;) | 12:06 |
| leszek | hehe ok | 12:08 |
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| leszek | uff the problem is that audio is not supported when using embeded youtube videos xD | 12:46 |
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| kimmoli | https://xkcd.com/1884 | 13:34 |
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