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| svip | How do I remove voicemail notifications? | 05:39 |
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| svip | When I click it, I can't seem to remove unlike other notifications. | 05:40 |
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| coderus | svip: call your operator and ask for remove your voicemails ? | 07:04 |
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| svip | coderus: But the voicemail notice is in Sailfish OS! | 07:36 |
| svip | I can't remove it. | 07:36 |
| svip | And I don't have that operator anymore. | 07:36 |
| coderus | svip: oh well, then you should report bug to tjc :( | 07:38 |
| svip | So it just stays there? | 07:38 |
| svip | I tried rebooting. | 07:38 |
| svip | First thing, it comes up and tells me there is a voicemail, but I cannot remove it. | 07:39 |
| svip | But I can remove all other notifications. | 07:39 |
| svip | Seems like a weird ommission. | 07:39 |
| r0kk3rz | svip: its supposed to reflect the ofono status... | 07:39 |
| svip | What if I still had the operator, but just wanted to ignore it? | 07:39 |
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| leszek | anyone ideas for solving this issue: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log/home:leszek/qtwebkit/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv8el | 08:08 |
| leszek | not sure what I did wrong | 08:08 |
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| svip | r0kk3rz: I solved the issue! I removed the SIM card. | 08:18 |
| r0kk3rz | and its still gone when the sim is re-inserted? | 08:18 |
| svip | Nope. | 08:18 |
| svip | But I don't need the SIM. | 08:18 |
| r0kk3rz | ok, perhaps it was still getting a voicemail signal from carrier | 08:19 |
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| svip | Probably. | 08:26 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ping | 08:48 |
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| dcaliste | Hello chriadam_ | 09:07 |
| dcaliste | I was wrong last time about the issue of disappearing calendar depending on network. | 09:08 |
| dcaliste | I was confused by the fact that it was my first sync and calendar was deleted on failure in that case. | 09:08 |
| dcaliste | I'm using the setup of a Radicale server at home since some days and didn't have any issue since… | 09:09 |
| dcaliste | I've added a message with details in TJC (https://together.jolla.com/question/142197/caldav-calendars-get-lost-when-the-sync-server-isnt-available/) to ask Felllfrosch if he can provide additional debug info. | 09:10 |
| dcaliste | Let see when he will answer if we can decipher which scenario is creating the disappearance issue. | 09:11 |
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| chriadam_ | dcaliste: thanks for following up on that. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some network related case still causing problems (e.g., I know that captive portal wifi gateways can cause issues - which might be reported as SSL errors - in some cases) | 09:20 |
| chriadam_ | but in any case, I hope Fellfrosch can provide more info to help with your investigation :-) | 09:20 |
| * chriadam_ -> home for the night | 09:20 | |
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| dcaliste | Maybe, but reading the code again and again, I only can figure out deletion on ContentNotReadyError, which is hard to achieve if server is not responding… | 09:21 |
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| saidinesh5 | hey Mister_Magister ssup | 11:19 |
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| nh1402w | saidinesh5: why can't Sony skip the unveiling and pre-order stage, and let me order the XZ1 right now? | 11:32 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: hi i need design advice | 11:32 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: keeping every buddy/chat from every account on one list is too big mess | 11:33 |
| LarstiQ | nh1402w: because they can't ship yet? | 11:35 |
| nh1402w | LarstiQ: nonsense | 11:35 |
| nh1402w | I'm sure they have one lying around that I can buy | 11:36 |
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| nh1402w | Mister_Magister: split it into tabs? | 11:44 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402w: tabs? | 11:44 |
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| Mister_Magister | i tohught about making mail list with accounts and then list for specific account | 11:46 |
| nh1402w | is there no concept of tabs in Sailfish? | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | nope | 11:53 |
| Mister_Magister | nope | 11:56 |
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| Mister_Magister | can i compile sfos app for android in some easy way? | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | not really | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | you dont get silica on android after all | 11:59 |
| Mister_Magister | suure | 11:59 |
| Mister_Magister | but without gui using normal qml | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | it'll still want a bit of butchering, but it is possible | 12:00 |
| Mister_Magister | if i have desktop version with normal qml then it just needs gui righT? | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | + packaging | 12:01 |
| Mister_Magister | sure | 12:02 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: push the code to github | 12:12 |
| saidinesh5 | will look into it tomorrow | 12:12 |
| saidinesh5 | today cleaning up a lot of spagetti meatball code | 12:12 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i need only design advice not code fixing | 12:12 |
| Mister_Magister | :D | 12:12 |
| Mister_Magister | but okay | 12:12 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah | 12:12 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: what do you think abou that. Main list with account -> click account -> list with online/offline users | 12:13 |
| Mister_Magister | can i do that using single delegate? | 12:13 |
| saidinesh5 | Also if you wont use Silica components, you can compile it for android trivially | 12:13 |
| Mister_Magister | nah i don't need silica | 12:14 |
| saidinesh5 | as for every buddy / chat from every account.. i think you can manage the complexity by being clever | 12:14 |
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| saidinesh5 | like sorting the chats using the most recent chat at top for eg. | 12:15 |
| saidinesh5 | otherwise more nesting = a lot of user effort will be wasted just to switch between accounts | 12:15 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: searching through 400 entries will be messy i need to split it | 12:15 |
| saidinesh5 | nope.. use a search bar + sort by last activity | 12:15 |
| LarstiQ | Mister_Magister: allow the user to type and narrow display to matching entries? | 12:16 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah to switc account it will take 2 swipes from chat window | 12:16 |
| saidinesh5 | that should make sure the user is almost always 1-2 taps away from any chat | 12:16 |
| Mister_Magister | LarstiQ: that is good too but... | 12:16 |
| Mister_Magister | just having it on one list is a bit too much i think | 12:16 |
| saidinesh5 | nope.. it is not as if the user will manually scroll throughout the list | 12:16 |
| saidinesh5 | and ListView already takes care of rendering only the visible items | 12:17 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: sure but scrolling through list | 12:17 |
| Mister_Magister | is useless | 12:17 |
| saidinesh5 | So all you need is really a search bar.. and proper sorting | 12:17 |
| Mister_Magister | like unread and latest chats on top | 12:17 |
| Mister_Magister | and open chats* | 12:17 |
| saidinesh5 | like think about it from the user's perspective.. as a user do you thnk about the person you want to chat with? or the account/userid ? | 12:17 |
| saidinesh5 | sure that's what i meant by proper sorting | 12:17 |
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| Mister_Magister | yeah then if you have active talks you can switch with ease | 12:18 |
| Mister_Magister | and if you want to start somethign new then search | 12:18 |
| saidinesh5 | you wont even have to bother about unread... sorting by latest chats will take care of it | 12:18 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah that will be good | 12:18 |
| Mister_Magister | thanks you guys | 12:18 |
| saidinesh5 | once again , SortFilterProxyModel to the rescue .. lol | 12:18 |
| Mister_Magister | lol | 12:19 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah it's only add new sorting parameter | 12:19 |
| LarstiQ | Mister_Magister: irssi's chanact and emacs's helm are also inspirations for this kind of ui | 12:19 |
| Mister_Magister | and it's all done | 12:19 |
| Mister_Magister | LarstiQ: same with facebook messenger latest chats on top and if you need somebody just use search | 12:19 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: as for the components, if you are not using Silica, try QtQuickComponents 2. | 12:21 |
| Mister_Magister | having only discord and facebok is messy add to that skype irc slack and telegram it wil be over 1k entries :D | 12:21 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i'm using it on desktop | 12:21 |
| saidinesh5 | *QtQuick controls 2 works on desktop too iirc | 12:21 |
| Mister_Magister | i have whole desktop ui done (i'm talking about other simple app) | 12:21 |
| saidinesh5 | I see | 12:21 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i'm using qtquick controls | 12:21 |
| saidinesh5 | 1 or 2? | 12:22 |
| Mister_Magister | 2 | 12:22 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah good | 12:22 |
| Mister_Magister | so just add android target to qt creator | 12:22 |
| saidinesh5 | then it shouldnt be much of a pain to get it onto android | 12:22 |
| saidinesh5 | yeah | 12:22 |
| LarstiQ | Mister_Magister: another option: limit the amount of friends a user is allowed to have to 5 | 12:22 |
| saidinesh5 | more or less | 12:22 |
| Mister_Magister | LarstiQ: what do you mean? | 12:22 |
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| * LarstiQ means to jest | 12:22 | |
| Mister_Magister | ah | 12:23 |
| r0kk3rz | to make it more complicated, maybe allow for options in settings :) | 12:23 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: in droplets you need one delegate so every delegate entry will be another bubble right? | 12:23 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: what do you mean? what options? | 12:24 |
| saidinesh5 | yep | 12:24 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i have one delegate with active chats :) | 12:24 |
| Mister_Magister | i'm keeping it for droplets | 12:24 |
| saidinesh5 | will give you the base item for your delegate.. so things should be easy for you if you base your delegate on top of it | 12:24 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: ok so, if you have several different account types, some with massive group chats and other more personal 1-to-1 type chats, it would make sense to remove the massive group chats from the list altogether | 12:25 |
| Mister_Magister | yup | 12:25 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: hide groups? | 12:25 |
| r0kk3rz | something like that anyway | 12:26 |
| Mister_Magister | and hide inactive users | 12:27 |
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| saidinesh5 | nah.. just let the sorting take care of it | 12:28 |
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| ol | saidinesh5: I've installed anbox-sailfishos and all necessary dependencies from https://build.merproject.org/project/show/home:saidinesh5:anbox on my Jolla C and tried to start anbox. Got error: "[EE 2017-08-25 13:15:16] [daemon.cpp:58@Run] Could not create renderer" . What am I doing wrong? | 13:22 |
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| nh1402 | ol: kernel requires patching | 13:29 |
| ol | nh1402: What kind of patching? Are there any instructions? | 13:30 |
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| nh1402 | ol: not that i'm aware of, but krnlyng got it booting on the Jolla C | 13:35 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont see anything on his jolla c kernel repo | 13:36 |
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| maheart | https://together.jolla.com/question/166106/official-announcement-introducing-sailfish-x/ | 14:19 |
| maheart | > Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed <--- I wonder how this will work :( As an Australian who has already purchased the Sony Xperia X in anticipation, this is unwelcome news | 14:21 |
| LarstiQ | maheart: that's usually been because of consumer law | 14:22 |
| LarstiQ | maheart: well, and some logistics, but that doesn't matter awfully much here | 14:22 |
| LarstiQ | Jaymzz: ^^ | 14:23 |
| r0kk3rz | 50€, seems reasonable | 14:24 |
| r0kk3rz | October 11, oddly specific :P | 14:25 |
| maheart | I'm happy with the price. I'd be happy to pay the price every year if it means helping Jolla hire more people to work on SailfishOS, and e.g. update the browser engine, implement better sandboxing, and FOSS more components | 14:27 |
| Tegu | + newer Android | 14:29 |
| r0kk3rz | is there any quantity limit? whyfor offer sales before its ready? | 14:29 |
| Tegu | 4.4 is getting rather old | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | blame canada | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | erm i mean myriad :) | 14:30 |
| LarstiQ | well | 14:31 |
| LarstiQ | more generally resources | 14:31 |
| LarstiQ | if you offer a boatload of cash I'm sure Jolla can take care of getting that upgraded | 14:31 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: no quantity limit afaik | 14:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: then it seems to be odd that you would take payment before the download button is ready, even if you're only talking about a couple of weeks. | 14:33 |
| maheart | I'd guess it's PR. It's stop people constantly asking "where's the Xperia X port?!" :) and it generates a little bit of buzz | 14:34 |
| r0kk3rz | but it opens you up to "wah i paid my money where is image, its another scam" if you're a little late delivering | 14:35 |
| LarstiQ | am I allowed to joke about this? | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: that is between you and your employer :) | 14:37 |
| Jaymzz | maheart: I will get back to you on that, I understand your frustration, we re doing our best to make it available worldwide. Give me a moment while I dig more about AU market | 14:38 |
| maheart | sure thing | 14:38 |
| Jaymzz | maheart: So technically there should not be anything blocking us but we won't announce it until we are 100% sure. Please stay tuned a while longer until we come back about that officially. Cheers man, and thanks for asking, it makes me go after it properly ;) | 14:40 |
| r0kk3rz | Jaymzz: yes don't forget about us auswegians :) | 14:42 |
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| Jef91 | So, I think this is the right one, but anyone able to confirm for me that this is the model sony that the official jolla port is going to support: https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Xperia-unlocked-smartphone-Warranty/dp/B01FJT7N4W/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1503675718&sr=8-5&keywords=sony+Xperia+x | 15:44 |
| jakibaki | >Model F5121; compatible with Nano SIM Cards | 15:45 |
| jakibaki | yep that's the right one | 15:45 |
| saidinesh5 | ol: if it is Jolla C, youhave to ask krnlyng. .he got it running on Jolla C, but it was an older anbox-image.. | 15:45 |
| saidinesh5 | bbiab | 15:45 |
| saidinesh5 | the current anbox-image is broken on Jolla C too | 15:46 |
| nh1402 | just build the latest one obs | 15:47 |
| nh1402 | saidinesh5: ^ | 15:47 |
| Jef91 | Thanks jakibaki | 15:47 |
| Jef91 | Unsure if I want to buy one right away, they didn't list the US on their supported countries in the release post :-/ | 15:47 |
| LarstiQ | Jef91: probably sameish answer as Jaymzz gave for .au | 15:48 |
| Jef91 | what answer is that LarstiQ | 15:49 |
| r0kk3rz | Jef91: await further notice | 15:52 |
| Jef91 | Fair. | 15:53 |
| Jef91 | I might buy one anyways and hope for the best. Device is pretty cheap for an out of contract device | 15:53 |
| Jef91 | and there are only a few on amazon | 15:53 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it seems to be on fire sale | 15:55 |
| Jaymzz | Jef91: Well, that is actually in the works, we are doing our best to make it happen ASAP. | 15:57 |
| Jaymzz | thanks LarstiQ for tagging, I'm on all the channels and I miss things here and there so I'm really thankful if you continue tagging me if you see something :) | 15:58 |
| Jef91 | Jaymzz, making it happen in the US? | 15:58 |
| Jaymzz | Jef91: Yes, US and Canada :) | 15:58 |
| Jef91 | Awesome. I've spent a lot of hours trying to make community ports work on Nexus and OnePlus devices | 15:58 |
| Jef91 | eventually just gave up because they weren't mature enough. Would love a true Linux phone again. RIP Nokia N900 | 15:58 |
| Jaymzz | This one won't disappoint you! | 15:59 |
| saidinesh5 | nh1402: the latest one is work in progress from krnlyng afaik | 16:01 |
| nh1402 | it is? | 16:01 |
| Jef91 | Awesome to hear. I basically just need data and GPS | 16:01 |
| mal | saidinesh5: still hoping we can somehow solve the kernel 3.4 problem with anbox | 16:02 |
| saidinesh5 | mal: okay trying that this weekend but i have to tell you, 3.10 kernel is out for my device .. just waiting for the sourcces on it | 16:03 |
| saidinesh5 | nh1402: yup. the latest sources of anbox are actually broken in the sense it tries to directly talk to wayland and directly take input using uinput | 16:04 |
| saidinesh5 | so work in progress it is | 16:04 |
| nh1402 | saidinesh5: that's the modified version of anbox isn't it? | 16:05 |
| nh1402 | I don't think he's doing that anymore | 16:05 |
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| saidinesh5 | nh1402: that's the twice modified version of anbox.. the first modification was to push data to anbox's sdl thing .. but after that we realized that's exactly what the job of wayland is | 16:06 |
| saidinesh5 | so decided to ditch the additional rendering complexity for that | 16:06 |
| saidinesh5 | nh1402: currently no one is working on anbox sailfishos that i know of..but if we were to, this is definitely the path to go.. | 16:07 |
| saidinesh5 | i think | 16:07 |
| nh1402 | what create a new platform as wayland, and route input through that rather than via sdl? | 16:07 |
| saidinesh5 | create a new platform called headless and let surfaceflinger directly talk to wayland on sailfish os | 16:08 |
| saidinesh5 | the last semi working bit was create a new platform as wayland and render ui via. sdl | 16:09 |
| mal | saidinesh5: at least after you get it running with the new kernel you can start fixing other things | 16:10 |
| saidinesh5 | mal: yup, right now couldn't even get it booting.. so havent touched any other bit of anbox as of now | 16:11 |
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| Jef91 | I've ordered a Sony Jaymzz looking forward to having a real Linux OS again in October :) | 16:28 |
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| jwalck | so I see the cat's out of the bag! I'll have to decide if I'm getting a xperia x with this offer, a fairphone 2, or both.:) | 16:36 |
| jwalck | I like this approach though, fair and simple enough to understand! | 16:37 |
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| nh1402 | saidinesh5: the only thing is android Oreo just came out, and that would require the work all over again | 17:20 |
| saidinesh5 | sadly yep | 17:21 |
| saidinesh5 | on the bright side, my device is getting the 3.10 kernel with it.. | 17:21 |
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| nh1402 | saidinesh5: the thing with Oreo is, the backend stuff should be pretty similar moving forwards from Oreo | 17:53 |
| nh1402 | so it should require less work | 17:53 |
| nh1402 | for P and Q | 17:54 |
| saidinesh5 | hmm.. not sure about that | 17:54 |
| nh1402 | saidinesh5: look into Project Treble | 17:54 |
| saidinesh5 | project treble should be more about making our porting lives easier imho | 17:54 |
| saidinesh5 | but no promises about the changes they do to surfaceflinger etc.. | 17:54 |
| saidinesh5 | but sure, these base level apis seem to be a lot more stable than say 4.4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 jumps | 17:55 |
| saidinesh5 | so that's good | 17:55 |
| nh1402 | project treble looks like it's a higher level than hybris | 17:55 |
| nh1402 | so I don't think it's going to make much difference | 17:56 |
| nh1402 | but because it's a higher level than hybris, it puts it right in line for anbox | 17:56 |
| saidinesh5 | i think it has to do with libhardware and the likes.. basically what silicon vendors provide.. (qualcomm etc.. ) vs. what the OEMs abuse.. (the android apis) | 17:57 |
| nh1402 | saidinesh5: do you think we should help morphis get anbox working on Oreo, and work straight on that? | 17:57 |
| saidinesh5 | so for eg. if we beat some qualcomm 625 chipset into submission, i think it should make it easier for porting other qualcomm 625 devices | 17:57 |
| nh1402 | they have a new layer between the Android libraries and the HAL via HIDL | 17:58 |
| saidinesh5 | i think i will still give my 3.10 kernel a shot | 17:58 |
| nh1402 | saidinesh5: what do you think the next name is going to be? Patisa or Paan? | 17:58 |
| saidinesh5 | lol | 17:59 |
| saidinesh5 | Paan isn't a desert .. i think | 17:59 |
| saidinesh5 | pastry maybe? | 17:59 |
| nh1402 | I would say Pie | 18:00 |
| kimmoli | pringles | 18:00 |
| nh1402 | but I would rather it be Patisa | 18:00 |
| nh1402 | they should have gone with Ladoo before | 18:00 |
| kimmoli | poop? | 18:00 |
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| * saidinesh5 is cleaning up some super spagetti qml code using js callbacks.. atm | 18:02 | |
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| saidinesh5 | leszek: btw. could you use sources from github to compile your qtwebkit as opposed to uploading the tarballs? | 18:05 |
| saidinesh5 | hello btw. :p | 18:05 |
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| saidinesh5 | here's a sample _service file for that btw.: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:saidinesh5:anbox/anbox | 18:07 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: I am using the git stuff btw. just packaging into tarballs. Github provides the full sources stuff which is several GB big. qtwebkit devs discourage to use these to build stuff | 18:10 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh interesting.. | 18:11 |
| saidinesh5 | maybe depth=1 or some such param? | 18:11 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: any idea on the error and how to solve it? | 18:11 |
| saidinesh5 | couldn't clone the sources yesterday.. will clone the sources today and let you know.. | 18:11 |
| leszek | ok | 18:11 |
| * saidinesh5 is on a super slow 1Mbps plan till the end of this month | 18:12 | |
| leszek | oh yeah. Its a pain then to download stuff | 18:12 |
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| nh1402 | saidinesh5: looks like someone just got Oreo booting on the Nexus 5, nothing works yet, but at least it's something | 18:32 |
| saidinesh5 | someone released Oreo for my device today morning i think | 18:32 |
| saidinesh5 | waiting for him to release sources for that | 18:32 |
| saidinesh5 | along with the kernel .. | 18:32 |
| nh1402 | by the time the XZ1 comes out I'm sure it'll be functioning so that I can help with hybris-ifying it. | 18:33 |
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| saidinesh5 | i maaaaaaaaaay buy the next Xiaomi Redmi elcheapo just to port it | 18:37 |
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| nh1402 | saidinesh5: Xiaomi Redmi elcheapo? | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | the cheapest upcoming Xiaomi Redmi phone basically | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | probably Redmi 5A or some such... | 18:43 |
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| FloR707 | Hi! I do have a stupid error again: | 19:10 |
| FloR707 | error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: | 19:10 |
| FloR707 | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/108x108/ … | 19:10 |
| FloR707 | The error occurred after I edited the spec and yamil files. But I only added the URL, License and Description section | 19:14 |
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| pketo | FloR707: the spec is generated from the yaml, so editing both should not be necessary... but I don't know how the sdk handles that, or the files section, exactly, so can't help much here :/ | 19:35 |
| leszek | so I understand that correctly. We have to wait until october to get the image for the Xperia X if we decide to pay for it and then we only get a beta release of SailfishOS? One word: Dissappointing | 19:36 |
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| FloR707 | pketo: There was so much back and forth in my files that on old line slipped into the yamil where only the 86x86 icon was selected. | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | leszek: only a beta? | 19:57 |
| FloR707 | I want to use a shared lib. I put it in the right direction /lib and added the macro in the spec file as described in the FAQ but I still get an error that I cannot link against that lib. | 19:57 |
| FloR707 | I've been looking at different project with shared libs and I cannot find any difference… | 19:58 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: "Some of these features are already included in the software, but you can expect issues and beta level experience. The features that are not supported in the first release are: Bluetooth, new sensors (e.g. barometer, step counter), fingerprint, and FM-radio." | 19:58 |
| leszek | beta level experience is basically a beta version as I understand this | 19:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | bt will probably get fixed before too long | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | same with fm. its the same chip | 20:03 |
| leszek | that might be. But I see the bad press feedback already on this | 20:03 |
| leszek | reaction from most people not related to jolla. "Which stupid guys pay 50€ for a beta version that does not even offer bt and it is not sure if it even will offer bt" | 20:04 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah... im not sure what jolla gains from announcing things like this | 20:04 |
| leszek | sometimes I am asking myself if they do this on purpose and are masochists or something like this | 20:05 |
| r0kk3rz | heh perhaps | 20:05 |
| r0kk3rz | but we made some headway with bt recently | 20:06 |
| leszek | yeah fine. I am also pretty sure just like I know Jolla that they will provide bt and fingerprint support with the updates. But they don't guarantee it as it seems and don't mention it in the announcement. | 20:07 |
| FloR707 | Can you buy a Sony with out OS? Probably not, right? | 20:08 |
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| leszek | FloR707: nope you can't | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | lol. | 20:11 |
| FloR707 | I would like to test it out but I do not have an Experia and I don't want to pay Google for an OS I will never use. | 20:14 |
| r0kk3rz | good thing teh goog gives android away for free | 20:28 |
| nh1402_ | r0kk3rz: some of the money of the phone goes towards Google's license fee... | 20:42 |
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