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| merpl | morning! | 05:44 |
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| merpl | meego apps are qt also right, so they can be ported to sailfish? | 05:44 |
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| merpl | without much work.. | 06:06 |
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| merpl | a lot of interesting apps are not in warehouse | 06:17 |
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| merpl | is there someway to add all the merproject.org and openrepos repos? | 06:35 |
| merpl | or is there a meta-repo that's searchable? | 06:36 |
| coderus | merpl: sure, as soon as you can get source code of application and do the port yourself :) | 06:38 |
| merpl | okey | 06:38 |
| merpl | there's a cell-tower info app for meego that would be nice to have | 06:38 |
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| merpl | is there a storeman / warehouse app for merproject sailfish repos? | 06:41 |
| coderus | merpl: i believe there is one you can manually enter repo urls in | 06:44 |
| merpl | trying to add this guy with zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/wonko:/emumaster/latest_armv7l/ | 06:45 |
| * kimmoli ponders why people insist using zypper, instead of ssu and pkcon... | 06:46 | |
| merpl | because we learn how to do stuff by stfw and the pages tell to use zypper | 06:47 |
| merpl | so pkcon is the preferred way? | 06:48 |
| coderus | ssu ar alias repo_url | 06:48 |
| merpl | got the repo installed, zypper se emumaster shows the package, zypper in emumaster says "emumaster not found in package names" | 06:49 |
| merpl | ok got it installed via pkcon | 06:50 |
| merpl | okcon search name emumaster returns nothing | 06:50 |
| merpl | *pkcon | 06:50 |
| kimmoli | pkcon repo-set-data alias refresh-now true | 06:50 |
| kimmoli | or just pkcon refresh if you want to refresh all | 06:51 |
| kimmoli | ssu lr shows you the repos | 06:51 |
| merpl | ah maybe wonko has a badly configured repo | 06:51 |
| merpl | Fatal error: file '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/wonko:/emumaster/latest_armv7l/home/:wonko:emumaster.repo' | 06:52 |
| kimmoli | url is wrong | 06:53 |
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| merpl | yes i typoed | 06:53 |
| merpl | Fatal error: file '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/wonko:/emumaster/latest_armv7l/home:wonko:emumaster.repo' | 06:53 |
| kimmoli | it should be like http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/wonko:/emumaster/latest_armv7l/ | 06:53 |
| merpl | ok added that via ssy ar emumaster http... | 06:55 |
| merpl | *ssu | 06:55 |
| merpl | now pkcon search name emumaster returns: Available emumaster-0.3.1-69.1.Nemo.source and the 63.2 version also - but juse the .source packages | 06:57 |
| merpl | pkcon install emumaster finished without errors | 07:00 |
| kimmoli | your wrong repo | 07:00 |
| kimmoli | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/wonko:/emumaster/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/ | 07:00 |
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| kimmoli | use the sailfish repo | 07:00 |
| merpl | ty | 07:00 |
| merpl | Fatal error: nothing provides libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 needed by emumaster-0.3.1-1.69.1.armv7hl | 07:05 |
| merpl | installed gstreamer1.0-plugins-good, but didn't help | 07:06 |
| merpl | i guess his binary needs to be built against gstreamer1.0 ? | 07:07 |
| abranson | merpl: yep, we kept 0.10 around for a few versions after we switched to 1.0, but it's gone now | 07:08 |
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| merpl | https://openrepos.net/content/chemist/meecell is there a sailfish version of this? | 07:23 |
| merpl | chem|st: ? | 07:23 |
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| greenit | hi, i downloaded the sailfishos-sources (as tar.bz2) as I wanted to look into the clock-app... is it in these sources, or do i have to search somewhere else? | 07:28 |
| tbr | I don't think the clock app is open source. | 07:31 |
| greenit | oh, ok... | 07:31 |
| tbr | actually most of the system apps are closed, with exception of the browser and something else IIRC | 07:31 |
| greenit | i hoped to find a way to adjust the length of the alarm as 1 minute is definitely too short^^ | 07:32 |
| kimmoli | qml parts are in the device itself | 07:32 |
| kimmoli | mostly | 07:32 |
| tbr | you should check if it's QML only and you could modify that | 07:32 |
| tbr | exactly | 07:32 |
| greenit | ok, where could it on the phone? | 07:33 |
| greenit | where could i check it* | 07:33 |
| kimmoli | dig under /usr | 07:33 |
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| greenit | okay, thanks :) | 07:34 |
| tbr | no idea TBH, haven't looked at the closed parts in ages. I mostly play with the open source stuff, don't even have jolla packages installed on my devices | 07:34 |
| Mister_Magister | kimmoli: tbr hello o/ | 07:34 |
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| tbr | sup Mister_Magister | 07:36 |
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| chem|st | merpl: pong | 07:50 |
| merpl | hi chem|st! i've been looking at some docs about radios | 07:51 |
| merpl | i see you can't get signal strength, but could some app get a list of towers (without specific radio driver code) | 07:51 |
| chem|st | merpl: unfortunately that is not me, someone registered the nick before I could | 07:51 |
| merpl | ok | 07:52 |
| r0kk3rz | merpl: you'd have to poke around RIL and ofono to see what you can find | 07:53 |
| Mister_Magister | ofono-tests | 07:54 |
| merpl | fun thanks | 07:59 |
| merpl | yay i can see cellid and strength :) | 08:02 |
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| merpl | you get to see strength during the call too :) | 08:16 |
| merpl | it goes up! | 08:16 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: using repeaters like that is a bad idea. repeaters create the element whether or not they are visible on the screen. hence listview.. | 11:18 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: can i make static nonscrollable list? | 11:28 |
| saidinesh5 | ListView.intreactive: false i think | 11:29 |
| coderus | use ColumnView around your repeaters | 11:30 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: yumm what are you talking about? | 11:37 |
| coderus | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-columnview.html/ | 11:37 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: i mean i already have that | 11:37 |
| Mister_Magister | repeaters are working really great | 11:37 |
| Mister_Magister | but saidinesh5 is telling me it's bad | 11:37 |
| coderus | okay then, saidinesh5 statement is invalid | 11:37 |
| saidinesh5 | repeaters create objects even when they are not visible on the screen. ListViews avoid that.. | 11:38 |
| saidinesh5 | ListViews create objects on demand | 11:38 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: is that a problem? | 11:38 |
| saidinesh5 | so if you use a repeater on model of say 100, but if your screen canshow only 10.. | 11:38 |
| saidinesh5 | you have created 90 useless objects | 11:38 |
| saidinesh5 | that affects your app responsiveness, startuptime and memory usage | 11:39 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: nope if i put all of this inside flickable | 11:39 |
| saidinesh5 | even inside a flickable that is the case | 11:39 |
| saidinesh5 | that's how repeaters work | 11:39 |
| saidinesh5 | they simply repeat | 11:39 |
| saidinesh5 | without any condition | 11:39 |
| saidinesh5 | that's why they created listView | 11:39 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: but listview inside listview is not working forme | 11:44 |
| saidinesh5 | then read the documentation and fix it.. | 11:44 |
| saidinesh5 | the documentation is very good on it | 11:45 |
| Mister_Magister | meh repeaters are working nice and i know how they work and connecting them with silica will be easy af | 11:45 |
| Mister_Magister | i didn't find anything about listview inside listview | 11:46 |
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| Mister_Magister | but i'll try (i was so happy that i finished it :( ) | 11:49 |
| saidinesh5 | right now the code i am cleaning up at work is just that | 11:49 |
| Mister_Magister | oh okay | 11:50 |
| saidinesh5 | it uses a repeater on a list model of ~300 objects | 11:50 |
| Mister_Magister | so it's possible then | 11:50 |
| saidinesh5 | when the screen shows ~10-15 objects | 11:50 |
| saidinesh5 | so the app takes like 3 seconds to switch to that tab | 11:50 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: welp there will be tons of users | 11:50 |
| saidinesh5 | yep | 11:50 |
| Mister_Magister | aaah that is what you mean | 11:50 |
| Mister_Magister | now i know why it's bad definitely i have to swtich to listview | 11:50 |
| saidinesh5 | ListViews require you to expilicityly set their height btw. | 11:51 |
| saidinesh5 | that's how they know how many delegates to create | 11:51 |
| Mister_Magister | you should tell me what problem it cause on the beginning | 11:51 |
| Mister_Magister | haha :D | 11:51 |
| saidinesh5 | you can also specify how many delegates to cache off screen | 11:51 |
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| Mister_Magister | okay okay | 11:53 |
| Mister_Magister | i'll try when i get home | 11:53 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: how are droplet works goin'? | 12:03 |
| saidinesh5 | haven't started yet man. cleaning up some large codebase at work.. so most of my tiem goes there itself | 12:03 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ah no problem no problem man take your time ;) | 12:03 |
| saidinesh5 | Yeah will hopefully do it this weekend | 12:03 |
| saidinesh5 | of course will even have to resurrect my N950. it doesnt seem to start.. | 12:04 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: just bought moto x force 2 hours ago i hope it will arrive at friday :3 | 12:04 |
| saidinesh5 | ohh | 12:04 |
| saidinesh5 | planning on starting a port? | 12:04 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: planning? the point of crowdfunding moto x force was to port sfos onto it. Sources already lies on my hdd | 12:06 |
| saidinesh5 | oh didn't know about that .. | 12:06 |
| Mister_Magister | no problem so i'm telling you now :D | 12:06 |
| Mister_Magister | nobody know about that :D | 12:07 |
| saidinesh5 | heh okay good luck with that | 12:09 |
| Mister_Magister | thanks moto will be easy af i think in 2 weeks i'll get it working stable | 12:10 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 12:13 |
| Mister_Magister | and you? Planning some porting? | 12:18 |
| merpl | do any of you have a script to backup the full OS including installed apps? so i don't have to redo all this for each phone? | 12:35 |
| Mister_Magister | merpl: there is nothing like that | 12:37 |
| Mister_Magister | merpl: you can copy /home/nemo somewhere and save repos list and also list of installed packages but i don't recommend it | 12:38 |
| merpl | ok maybe simpler would be a script to save all installed repos and a list of installed apps | 12:38 |
| Mister_Magister | merpl: you can search in google it's the same as for desktop linux | 12:39 |
| merpl | why not reccommended? | 12:40 |
| Mister_Magister | merpl: i'm talking about copying and restoring home here | 12:43 |
| merpl | ok | 12:43 |
| Mister_Magister | getting list of repos and isntalled packages done right is good | 12:43 |
| merpl | I am planning to build a couple of apps. Is the preferred repo 'warehouse' for user-submitted apps? | 12:45 |
| Mister_Magister | merpl: It's better to submit in official jolla store. Openrepos are third party apps | 12:54 |
| merpl | i am a third party, no? | 13:00 |
| Mister_Magister | what? | 13:01 |
| merpl | i'm not a jolla employee | 13:01 |
| Mister_Magister | and? | 13:01 |
| merpl | so my app should go to warehouse | 13:02 |
| nh1402 | that's not how it works | 13:02 |
| nh1402 | google play store has more than just Google apps | 13:02 |
| nh1402 | Apple app store has more than just Apple's apps | 13:03 |
| merpl | why are there apps in warehouse of merproject that are not in jolla store? | 13:03 |
| merpl | s/of/or/ | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | rules | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. openrepos doesnt have any | 13:04 |
| nh1402 | fun fact, Nokia thought of creating an App store, but decided against it, with that name, Apple would have been forced to use another one if Nokia went through with it. | 13:05 |
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| merpl | why do i need to run the SDK in virtualbox? | 14:00 |
| Mister_Magister | merpl: why not? | 14:01 |
| LarstiQ | as opposed to? | 14:01 |
| merpl | a chroot | 14:01 |
| LarstiQ | an arm chroot? | 14:01 |
| Mister_Magister | possible | 14:01 |
| Mister_Magister | but jolla decided to have it in virtualbox probably easier to configure pore portable | 14:01 |
| merpl | so the entire sdk runs on a virtual ARM cpu? | 14:02 |
| LarstiQ | merpl: the platform sdk runs in a chroot | 14:02 |
| merpl | thought you'd use qemu for this | 14:02 |
| r0kk3rz | you can unpack the sdk vm into a chroot as well | 14:03 |
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| LarstiQ | merpl: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 14:03 |
| merpl | ok ty | 14:03 |
| * LarstiQ doesn't know much about the app one | 14:03 | |
| r0kk3rz | scratchbox does use qemu i think | 14:03 |
| LarstiQ | merpl: but yeah, for the app one it's simplicity (of shipping / running by app developers not caring about such things) | 14:03 |
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| merpl | so the sdk could run in vmware too, for e.g. | 14:04 |
| LarstiQ | why not | 14:04 |
| LarstiQ | merpl: why do you ask? Just curious? | 14:05 |
| merpl | not a fan of larry ellison | 14:06 |
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| merpl | r0kk3rz: anyway to extract the image from SailfishOSSDK-Beta-1701-1-Qt5-linux-64-offline.run ? | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | merpl: https://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2014/03/29/running-sailfishos-build-engine-outside-virtualbox-vm/ | 14:39 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure how up to date that is | 14:39 |
| merpl | ty | 14:39 |
| r0kk3rz | and i think it requires running the vbox image and sshing into it | 14:39 |
| Mister_Magister | you still should use vbox because why not | 14:51 |
| merpl | because it wants to rape my kernel | 14:52 |
| merpl | how about just a generic vm disk image | 14:53 |
| merpl | whatever format, they're convertable | 14:54 |
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| Mister_Magister | welp when you are porting sfos you are building apps in chroot so it's not impossible to do that | 15:06 |
| Mister_Magister | you can build apps directly on the phone too tbh | 15:06 |
| Mister_Magister | probably | 15:06 |
| merpl | might be easiest to use a spare phone for that | 15:06 |
| merpl | the SFOS SDK installer is scanning the dirs in my path, but i don't see what file it's checking for | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | merpl: the platform sdk is probably the closest, but it wont be integrated with qtcreator | 15:09 |
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| Mister_Magister | yup r0kk3rz is right | 15:11 |
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| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: btw what about question for mer-meeting? | 15:11 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: have a look | 15:13 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: thanks shouldn't it be in answers like other questions? | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: no | 15:19 |
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| Mister_Magister | okay thanks | 15:19 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: up-to-date is here:https://github.com/eviljazz/sailfishos-buildengine | 15:34 |
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| leszek | funny like the android keyboard stuff is more broken than ever | 16:14 |
| leszek | restarting alien dalvik helps here but seriously it is somehow fucked up | 16:15 |
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| merpl | very nice tips for getting started with sdk: https://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-89294.html | 16:41 |
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| coderus | merpl: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Application_SDK | 16:43 |
| merpl | hm ty | 16:44 |
| merpl | yeah that's what i'm running | 16:44 |
| merpl | ah emulator is i486 | 16:52 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ping | 19:01 |
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