Thursday, 2017-07-27

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brucebanneranyone have a github account?04:06
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brucebannersorry. anyone with github?04:27
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Mister_MagisterHi everybody o/ How can i put my app in harbour?10:30
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r0kk3rzyou submit it to harbour10:31
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: https://harbour.jolla.com/10:31
Mister_Magisterthanks10:32
Mister_Magisterany tips?10:32
r0kk3rzwhat does you app do?10:32
r0kk3rzdoes it pass the rpm checks in the sdk?10:32
Mister_MagisterI'm just checking how to do for my messenger10:32
Mister_Magisterrpm checks? what?10:33
r0kk3rzharbour has rather strict rules about what you're allowed to do10:33
r0kk3rziirc it runs the checks automatically when you do a build10:33
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r0kk3rzhttps://github.com/sailfishos/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator10:35
r0kk3rzhas the current what is/isnt allowed10:35
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: thanks hope that i'll pass libpurple10:36
Mister_Magistereven file name whaaat10:36
r0kk3rzlibpurple you will probably have to package with your app10:38
r0kk3rznot as a dependency10:38
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Mister_Magisterwhat?10:39
r0kk3rzor are you static linking it?10:40
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: my app will have many other packages as dependency10:40
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: are those deps already in the jolla repositories?10:41
Mister_Magisterno10:41
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r0kk3rzthen, you need to provide them10:41
Mister_Magisteri think it would be better to put that on openrepos10:42
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r0kk3rzyes, thats what most people do10:43
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: libpurple itself i could include in app somehow but there are other packages as plugins which are not necessary but you can install that plugin10:44
r0kk3rzsorry, what?10:44
r0kk3rzlibpurple can be used by lots of things, sure10:44
Mister_Magisteryes i mean in harbour you need to include dependencies to your app so i would have to include libpurple in my app no?10:46
r0kk3rzyes10:46
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r0kk3rzeither statically linked or somewhere in your app directory10:47
Mister_Magisterso this is only dependency that is necessary bit if you want you can install libpurple-plugin-facebook so you will have facebook support10:47
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Mister_Magisterso there are optional dependencies10:47
Mister_Magisterand i cannot do that using harbour10:47
Mister_Magisteri'll go with openrepos10:48
r0kk3rzah ok, is your app mostly a libpurple frontend10:49
r0kk3rzcool10:49
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: yeah it's almost like pidgin it's only gui for libpurple10:51
Mister_Magisterthere will be support for every libpurple plugin10:51
r0kk3rznice!10:51
Mister_Magisterthanks i thought 'Well i can make it support all plugins not only facebook" so here i am :D10:51
Mister_Magisteralredy have plugin specific settings :)10:51
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r0kk3rzMister_Magister: bring it up in the meeting10:52
Mister_Magisterwhat? for what?10:53
r0kk3rzto talk to jolla guys about your requirements, and if they might change the rules to allow subpackages10:53
r0kk3rzsub-apps or whatever10:53
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Mister_Magisteri don't care that much i think, maybe when it will be ready10:54
r0kk3rzit'll take time for jolla to do anything about it, even if they like the idea10:55
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: i would love to have gcc6 but nooooo jolla don't care about that -_-10:55
Mister_Magistergcc 4.8 prehistoric10:56
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: don't have idea how to ask it properly10:58
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r0kk3rzi might do it then10:59
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r0kk3rzMister_Magister: youd have a better chance by not using gcc11:02
r0kk3rzuse something else, like musl or clang11:02
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: whaat?11:03
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r0kk3rzgcc is a compiler, notably developed by the gnuproject11:04
r0kk3rzthere are others11:04
Mister_Magistergcc have dependency on glibc :/ so is there compiler for sfos that have c++11?11:05
r0kk3rzno idea if anyones tried running anything else11:06
Mister_Magisterinteresting11:06
Mister_Magisterwill try :D11:06
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Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: also wondering what will happen with build.merproject.org11:07
r0kk3rzwhat do you mean?11:08
Mister_MagisterOBS was sold to M$ and support will be dropped also build.opensuse.org will be closed11:08
r0kk3rzoh...11:08
r0kk3rzi guess they might have fun transitioning to COPR or something11:09
Mister_Magisterbuild.merproject wasn't updated since while though11:09
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: there definitely will be fork since obs is opensource11:09
r0kk3rzyeah sure11:09
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: can you create that question for meeting? thanks11:10
r0kk3rzwtf does MS want with it?11:10
Mister_Magisteri mean that one with purple11:10
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: some plugin for visual studio or other shit don't remember11:10
r0kk3rzhuh11:11
r0kk3rzhttp://openbuildservice.org/2017/04/01/Microsoft-acquires-Open-Build-Service-to-integrate-it-into-Visual-Studio/11:11
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r0kk3rzhaang on11:12
r0kk3rzapril 1st11:12
r0kk3rzi dunbeleevit11:12
malr0kk3rz: I was just about the mention that :)11:12
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: http://openbuildservice.org/2017/04/01/Microsoft-acquires-Open-Build-Service-to-integrate-it-into-Visual-Studio/11:12
Mister_Magisteroh11:12
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: mate you've been had11:12
Mister_Magisterhaven't seen11:12
Mister_Magister:D11:12
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: what?11:13
r0kk3rzits a joke11:13
malMister_Magister: look at the date of that11:13
Mister_Magisterwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa11:14
Mister_Magistert11:14
Mister_MagisterLMAO11:14
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: about that topic with purple can you add it please?11:15
r0kk3rzyeah11:15
Mister_Magisterthanks (almost hearth attack)11:15
r0kk3rzits something useful we can talk about11:16
r0kk3rzrather than rehashing the same tired topics11:16
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: i could spam with packages like "Purple Facebook Plugin" "Purple Steam Plugin" and so on11:20
Mister_Magisterbut "spam"11:21
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r0kk3rzmaybe not purple but fishbook messenger plugin11:22
r0kk3rzbut yeah11:22
r0kk3rzit comes down to potential sandboxing that they might want to do11:23
Mister_Magisterwhat do you mean by sandboxing?11:24
r0kk3rzwell, if you have a sandpit for kids to play in, you dont want the sand going everywhere11:26
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r0kk3rzso you put it in a box11:26
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Mister_Magistererm yes?11:27
r0kk3rzsame things with apps11:27
r0kk3rzits a security thing11:27
Mister_Magisteri don't understand what you want to do o_011:28
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_(computer_security)11:29
Mister_Magisterok ok but what does that have in common with pushing apps on harbour11:31
Mister_Magisterwelp there is some llvm already https://build.merproject.org/package/show/mer-core:devel/llvm11:32
Mister_Magisterwhy does llvm have dependency on gcc -_- we are back to beginning11:33
Mister_Magisteroh because you need gcc to build llvm11:34
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Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: we need newer glibc doesn't matter if it's gcc or something else11:45
Mister_MagisterProblem: nothing provides libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.21) needed by clang4-4.0.1-30.1.armv7hl11:45
r0kk3rzah11:46
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r0kk3rzlooks like you can use musl, but its a pain11:47
Mister_Magistergoddamn but still if i compiile something with newer abi it will not run11:52
r0kk3rzmeh, build new glibc + gcc and stick it on openrepos :)11:53
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: tried installing glibc with gcc from opensuse repos. Everything segfaulted11:55
Mister_Magisterjolla have it's own patches into glibc and gcc11:55
r0kk3rzthen idk, you're stuck11:55
r0kk3rzparty like its 199711:56
LarstiQr0kk3rz: gcc 2.7?11:57
LarstiQMister_Magister: look at the mer glibc and upgrade that11:57
Mister_MagisterI'm not a glibc developer sadly11:58
LarstiQyou don't really need to be11:58
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: 1997 is my birth day whatcha talking about11:59
Mister_Magisterwill try play with it11:59
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: even more reason to party11:59
Mister_Magisteri mean it's my birth date11:59
Mister_Magisteri like playing with packages :D I need g++11 for my ai program12:00
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nh1402Mister_Magister: and I need at least 4.9 for what I want to test out12:35
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Mister_Magisternh1402: so everybody wants newer but jolla clearly doesn't care?12:37
Mister_Magisteri just need c++1112:38
r0kk3rzim sure they care, but it switched to gplv312:39
nh1402well I wanted to build the latest version of firefox with wayland patches, but it needs at least 4.912:39
nh1402this https://github.com/stransky/gecko-dev12:40
Mister_Magisterit was on the latest meeting but all we achieved was "DIY"12:43
r0kk3rzyep, so build it12:43
Mister_Magisterthey added their patches so i would have to apply patches to newer version but i'll try without patches12:44
nh1402let us know how it goes12:44
Mister_Magisterbut with new abi there every app will have to be updated12:44
Mister_Magisteri mean recompiled12:44
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Mister_Magistersoooo12:45
nh1402I still don't get what an abi is12:46
Mister_Magisterme neither12:46
Mister_Magistersomething like architecture?12:46
r0kk3rznh1402: you know how you compile a c library it has compiled headers12:48
r0kk3rzits that12:48
nh1402r0kk3rz: oh right12:49
nh1402thanks12:49
Mister_Magisteri'm not proper guy for doing that12:50
fledermausThe ABI is low level details - the actual layout of structs in memory, how function calls are made (arrangement of the stack, what goes in what registers) - tha tsort of thing.12:55
fledermauschange of ABI requires a recompile, but no source changes.12:56
fledermausif you change the API, you need to change any code that uses it (as well as recompile)12:56
Mister_Magisteri would have to clone whole mer:devel or something like that12:59
Mister_Magisterit woild build faster on my pc though12:59
Mister_Magisteri suppose at least12:59
Mister_Magisterbut there are closed source packages so lipstick will crash13:00
Mister_Magisterso how can we even do that13:00
Mister_Magisterthere is backward compatibility from gcc5 to gcc4 so we can try gcc5 as it was mentioned on meetign13:02
nh1402Mister_Magister: do it, do it now13:03
Mister_Magisterwhat? ookayyy13:03
Mister_Magisterwhe i'll get back from work13:03
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LarstiQMister_Magister: it's not that there is no interest, it is some amount of work and not enough priority13:57
LarstiQ(i.e. other stuff gets done first)13:58
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Mister_Magisteri found out that we have glibc 2.19 and 2.20 is fully compatybile with .19 and gcc4.9 uses 2.20 and we cannot go futher14:09
Mister_Magisterthan that14:09
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Mister_Magistergcc5 is compatybile  back to gcc4 but needs glibc 2.2314:11
Mister_Magisterwe cannot update gcc without using newer glibc so recompilin EVERYTHING14:13
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