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| King_DuckZ | guys, the new blog post has been out for a day and it's already infected by those idiotic refunders | 13:14 |
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| King_DuckZ | they keep on complaining no matter what jolla says, or even if the post is not about them at all | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | it mentions a refund strategy, so its relevant | 13:16 |
| leszek | haters gonna hate | 13:16 |
| King_DuckZ | yeah, and people are complaining because they want to see the financial records of jolla and the algorithm used for the random selection | 13:16 |
| King_DuckZ | like wtf do they care if it's random or pseudo-random, marsenne or w/e, that's really just for the sake of being an asshole | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | people are free to be unreasonable | 13:17 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah, people somehow like to hate jolla | 13:18 |
| King_DuckZ | it still ruins the environment on the blog | 13:19 |
| tortoisedoc | if they have a reason for it i mean | 13:19 |
| tadzik | "I contributed to a crowdfun and now I'm angry that it was not a shop!" | 13:19 |
| King_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: it's just a bunch of idiots imo, not "people": Dave999 BraapBraap RefundAvenger and a few others | 13:19 |
| tortoisedoc | they are probably all the same person btw | 13:20 |
| maheart | It's toxic | 13:20 |
| tortoisedoc | just remember King_DuckZ do not feed the trolls | 13:20 |
| King_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: yeah, I only posted once, but I know I'm talking to the deaf | 13:21 |
| ^7heo | < r0kk3rz> people are free to be unreasonable | 13:21 |
| ^7heo | Furthermore, they are even free to doubt the obvious. | 13:22 |
| ^7heo | That's how there still is a president in the US that has been put in place by Putin. | 13:22 |
| ^7heo | So, wtf. People. I met enough of them. What a bunch of bastards. ™ | 13:22 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo : i give him 6 months to impeachment | 13:23 |
| ^7heo | you know what's funny tho? | 13:23 |
| tortoisedoc | and im not us citizen :p | 13:23 |
| King_DuckZ | at least they don't come to IRC, not often enough for me to notice at least... when there was the 'scandal' about Chucklefish they were literally shitposting on IRC, employees' personal twitter accounts, reddit, anything that would allow them to type their crap | 13:23 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: if he gets impeached, and if it's proven that the elections were rigged and played... | 13:23 |
| King_DuckZ | a la gamer gate | 13:23 |
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| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: the president still isn't gonna be the person the people elected. | 13:24 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 13:24 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: it's like, if you wanna be president; just run as vice president for someone that cheats. | 13:24 |
| tortoisedoc | gop has all to win | 13:24 |
| ^7heo | that way you end up president. | 13:24 |
| ^7heo | being rightfully elected doesn't get you anywhere. | 13:25 |
| tortoisedoc | the second problem (bigger) is that impeachment might directly imply rogged elections, ergo interference by russians (as rhey claim) | 13:25 |
| tortoisedoc | us russia relations.goodbye | 13:25 |
| tortoisedoc | *rigged too | 13:25 |
| tortoisedoc | King_DuckZ: Chucklefish? | 13:26 |
| King_DuckZ | the guys behind starbound | 13:26 |
| tortoisedoc | starbound ;_;??? | 13:26 |
| r0kk3rz | this is quickly getting offtopic :) | 13:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | whats starbound? | 13:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz at least theres chatter here :p | 13:27 |
| ^7heo | < tortoisedoc> us russia relations.goodbye | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | pfft, let it sleep | 13:27 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: I don't think it's anywhere good anyway. | 13:27 |
| King_DuckZ | they released starbound as an early access and they missed the stable release date, and people with like 90+ hours of gameplay in record were furiously demanding the 15$ they paid for the early access back because the quest system was not there or some other nonsense | 13:28 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: between putin being like "Hackers are free spirited artists. Totally not state directed or funded. | 13:28 |
| ^7heo | " | 13:28 |
| ^7heo | and the history of the cold war... | 13:28 |
| ^7heo | I don't think it could look good any time. | 13:28 |
| King_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: pff do you live under a rock? -_- | 13:28 |
| tortoisedoc | King_DuckZ: bever been on steam; i do real life ;) | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | *never | 13:29 |
| King_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: blog.chucklefish.org and playstarbound.something | 13:29 |
| ^7heo | nah but starbound is downright fucking awesome tho. | 13:29 |
| ^7heo | even if you live under a rock... you should play it. | 13:29 |
| King_DuckZ | ^ +1 | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo: yeah, but i mean ww3 is pretty much almost happening; so anything worsening the situation is to be taken with care | 13:30 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: I don't think it's almost happening. | 13:30 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo : where have you been the past three years? | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: the difference between WWII and the potential WWIII is that WWII was ended by nuclear bombing. WWIII cannot happen with nuclear weapons, they are way too destructive tbh | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | maybe with biological and or chemical warefare. | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | exactly, guerrilla and terrorism are ww3 | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | ah | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | yeah ok | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | but that's different | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | because the count of death is MUCH different. | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | it still wprld wide | 13:31 |
| ^7heo | true. | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | *world | 13:32 |
| ^7heo | it's world wide | 13:32 |
| ^7heo | that's the ONLY common point. | 13:32 |
| ^7heo | WWII death toll is INSANE. | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | may be only a matter of tiem | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | *time | 13:32 |
| ^7heo | no it cannot be. | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | yesh sure | 13:32 |
| ^7heo | this is very much offtopic anyway. | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | *yeah | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 13:32 |
| ^7heo | :D | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | typing with no autocirrection is a mess btw | 13:33 |
| silje | http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Boy-That-Escalated-Quickly-Anchorman.gif | 13:33 |
| ^7heo | but to total the amount of death from WWII via terrorism, you need terrorists to game up a FUCKING lot. | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | *correction | 13:33 |
| ^7heo | like, I mean, we still have more deads from car accidents and smoking than terrorism | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 13:33 |
| ^7heo | so... | 13:33 |
| silje | from «new blog post» to WWIII in 15 minutes :p | 13:33 |
| ^7heo | it's scary, but not relevant. | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | of coirse also warfare has evolved from ww2 and is much more chirurgical | 13:33 |
| ^7heo | silje: well, WWIII is gonna happen on internet, or not at all. | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | *course | 13:33 |
| ^7heo | silje: so it's kinda on topic, when put that way :D | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | thatd be awesome | 13:34 |
| ^7heo | how would that be awesome? | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | you could.play it always | 13:34 |
| ^7heo | ok you didn't get it right. | 13:34 |
| ^7heo | "happens on internet" means: no more network for you, or no more steam games, or... | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 13:34 |
| ^7heo | I didn't mean "it's gonna be COD4" | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | no more porn... | 13:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | :O | 13:35 |
| ^7heo | That is why you have to make a local copy. | 13:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | :D | 13:35 |
| tortoisedoc | thats so 90s | 13:36 |
| ^7heo | And get an electricity generator | 13:36 |
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| ^7heo | And prepare to build a new network locally | 13:36 |
| tortoisedoc | solar panels! | 13:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | and routers | 13:36 |
| ^7heo | yeah | 13:36 |
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| silje | and your own silisium factory | 13:37 |
| tortoisedoc | anyways about the trolls | 13:37 |
| silje | s/factory/mine+factory | 13:37 |
| tadzik | tortoisedoc: what's your native language, if you don't mind my asking? | 13:37 |
| tortoisedoc | its funny the comments you get here and there | 13:37 |
| tortoisedoc | tadzik: why do you want to know :p | 13:38 |
| tadzik | tortoisedoc: I wonder where else than Poland you use "chirurg" for "surgeon" :P | 13:38 |
| tadzik | wait, chirurgical is a thing | 13:38 |
| tortoisedoc | like in some jolla discussion the words "hostile takeover" were mentioned | 13:39 |
| tortoisedoc | tadzik: in german you do? | 13:39 |
| tadzik | tortoisedoc: yeah, TIL. It's apparently considered archaic english too | 13:39 |
| tortoisedoc | tadzik: but thats not my native language btw | 13:39 |
| tadzik | I thought I just spotted a false friend | 13:39 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: bist Du Deutsch? | 13:40 |
| silje | tadzik: in Norwegian we say chirurg | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | tadzik: oh heh :) no sorry | 13:40 |
| tadzik | silje: ha, interesting | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo: ne aber ich spreche deutsch | 13:40 |
| ^7heo | ah no you just said you're not. | 13:40 |
| tadzik | more widespread than I thought | 13:40 |
| ^7heo | ja ok :D | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | :j | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | damn autocorrection...jollaaaaa | 13:41 |
| ^7heo | I replaced my Jolla by a Google Pixel | 13:41 |
| tadzik | just one pixel!? :P | 13:42 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo: with sfos? :p | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | It's expensive enough | 13:42 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: no, I'm not dumb. | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: sfos is a great idea, but the implementation sucks hairy balls. | 13:42 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo: nothing wrong woth sfos tbh | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: yes something wrong wit hit. | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | with it. | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | debian. | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | that's what's wrong with it. | 13:42 |
| tortoisedoc | its alot better than when they released it | 13:42 |
| ^7heo | the base is totally rotten. | 13:42 |
| tadzik | uhh | 13:42 |
| tadzik | you're in for a surprise | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | but yeah let's not #troll again. | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | debian?? | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | yeah it's not debian | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | it's RPM based | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | rpms dude? | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | but whatever base they used | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | debian?? | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | which I don't care about tbh. | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | debian os .deb and pdkg | 13:43 |
| tadzik | what difference does it make, really | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | dpkg... | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: the difference between usable and not? | 13:43 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: so pretty much a big one. | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | n9 was debian :p | 13:43 |
| tadzik | ^7heo: how does the base system determine the usability? | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: the Jolla has only 1GB of ram... | 13:44 |
| tadzik | everything that matters is on a different layer of abstraction | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: by the amount of memory it needs to run | 13:44 |
| tortoisedoc | it sucked hairy balls to dev on it | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | totally not. | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | this is so wrong. | 13:44 |
| tortoisedoc | i mean have.you ever made a deb package yourself? | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | yes. | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | it's just an archive. | 13:44 |
| tortoisedoc | its just wrong | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | nothing magical. | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | yeah it's not the best, but it somehow works. | 13:44 |
| ^7heo | the .deb format isn't my problem with debian tbh | 13:45 |
| tortoisedoc | rpm forever.:p | 13:45 |
| tadzik | so what exactly in the mer stack is responsible for the memory hunger, in your view? | 13:45 |
| ^7heo | rpm isn't better heh. | 13:45 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: pretty much GNU | 13:45 |
| tortoisedoc | tadzik: qt | 13:45 |
| ^7heo | and qt, but you can't realistically avoid that one. | 13:45 |
| tadzik | tortoisedoc: yeah, that's what I mean by different abstraction layer | 13:45 |
| ^7heo | plus yeah QT is not really "system" | 13:45 |
| tortoisedoc | whats the gnu in mer? | 13:46 |
| ^7heo | everything | 13:46 |
| ^7heo | literally everything. | 13:46 |
| ^7heo | the libc, the coreutils, etc. | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | everything takes ram, for sure | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | kinda hard to run programs without it tbh | 13:46 |
| tadzik | damn, I always thought that it's dalvik and the webrenderer being the ram chugger | 13:46 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: not the SAME amount of ram tho. | 13:46 |
| tadzik | but apparently it's coreutils | 13:47 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: 1G is pretty low for a phone. | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | these days sure | 13:47 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: the thing is; the webrenderer is eating a LOT more ram | 13:47 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: but again, you can't fix that. | 13:47 |
| tadzik | sorry for the strawmaning, but I really feel like you're focusing on the wrong thing | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | it was common enough when jphone was released | 13:47 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: you'd have to fix the web | 13:47 |
| ^7heo | anyway, I didn't mean to troll; I'll see what I can salvage from sailfish when I need to replace my phone | 13:48 |
| ^7heo | but I have used sailfish, it just isn't usable for me. | 13:48 |
| ^7heo | (again, for *me*) | 13:48 |
| ^7heo | I really like the fact that Jolla was their own hardware design tho. | 13:48 |
| tadzik | I feel like replacing glibc with bionic or whatever other core component you desire will still be a microoptimization compared to what actually causes sailfish's memory shortage | 13:49 |
| tango_ | what causes sailfish' memory shortage? | 13:50 |
| ^7heo | the browser | 13:50 |
| tadzik | as for suboptimal hardware, no argument there | 13:50 |
| tadzik | tango_: in my experience mostly the browser and aliendalvik | 13:50 |
| ^7heo | and the graphical stack | 13:50 |
| ^7heo | isn't aliendalvik the graphical stack? | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 13:50 |
| tango_ | no, alien is the jvm for android apps | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | ah ok | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | I never touched taht | 13:51 |
| tango_ | (not really jvm, but yeah) | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but there is an android graphics stack in the adaptation | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | s/ah/ha/ | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | yeah | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | thats just reality | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | I never touched it; and yet Jolla isn't usable with sailfish | 13:51 |
| tango_ | alien isn't resident if you don't use it though | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | But look, if you think the system isn't relevant in the problem... | 13:51 |
| tadzik | was it usable with anything else? | 13:51 |
| tango_ | in fact you can stop it compltely | 13:51 |
| mal | I haven't had any memory issues on Jolla 1 | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | just guess how many kernel panics I experienced | 13:51 |
| ^7heo | because syscrapd segfaulted | 13:52 |
| tango_ | for the browser, I wonder if using the new qtwebkit would be an improvement over the old gecko | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | ^7heo: you havent really articulated the problem as such, just used vague terms like 'unusable' | 13:52 |
| tadzik | of all the weird things I had happen with both jollas, that's new to me | 13:52 |
| tango_ | mal: I've had alien OOMing more than once | 13:52 |
| tango_ | also I think the media stuff has some leaks | 13:52 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: because that's *FAR* from being the only issue | 13:52 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: that is a detail | 13:52 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: but syscrapd isn't the only thing that segfaults | 13:52 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: or crashes | 13:52 |
| tadzik | mal: like tango, I had apps getting killed every other day on j1 | 13:52 |
| mal | I only use a couple of android apps and nothing very heavy | 13:53 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: or lags terribly (I'm talking several dozen of minutes of lag here) | 13:53 |
| tango_ | the only time I've had lag is when it decided it wanted to download all of my gmail | 13:53 |
| ^7heo | I mean I totally like and respect the idea behind sailfishOS | 13:53 |
| tango_ | that made the phone completely unresonspive | 13:53 |
| ^7heo | tango_: try booting with sdcards in | 13:53 |
| mal | how many apps do you have open at the same time? | 13:53 |
| tango_ | ^7heo: I always have an sdcard in | 13:53 |
| tango_ | always | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | tango_: I gained approximately 20 minutes of boot time by removing the SD card. | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | tango_: such sd card works perfectly fine in my other machines. | 13:54 |
| tadzik | mal: usually around 6 these days | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | sooo... | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | yeah | 13:54 |
| tadzik | I'm on the aquafish now | 13:54 |
| tango_ | ^7heo: never had this issue. boot is most definitely 20 minutes here | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | Again, I totally like and respect the idea behind sailfishOS | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | 20min? interesting.... | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: well, approximately. | 13:54 |
| tango_ | and it's an sdcard filled with music | 13:54 |
| tadzik | yes we get it, but the issues you bring up are completely unheard of | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: I didn't count, I just waited and did math. | 13:54 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: but yeah, around 15-25 minutes with sdcard | 13:55 |
| tango_ | so the media stuff (which I'm sure has a leak, BTW) definitely doesn't help | 13:55 |
| tadzik | not like sailfish is without problems, sure, but hours of lag and 20 minutes of bootup? | 13:55 |
| tango_ | ok, let me time the boot now | 13:55 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: I blame that on syscrapd | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | reboots for me has always been quite quick, but YMMV | 13:55 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: it does all the things lower-level anyway | 13:55 |
| mal | tango_: 20 minutes, how is that even possible, for me it's like a minute | 13:55 |
| tadzik | somehow I'm not surprised | 13:55 |
| tango_ | ok it starts ... now | 13:55 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: and it has the maturity of an american cheese. | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | you gotta start somewhere | 13:56 |
| tadzik | well you're not exactly showing maturity yourself by calling it "syscrapd" to prove a point:P | 13:56 |
| tango_ | on | 13:56 |
| tango_ | didn't even take two minutes | 13:56 |
| tango_ | with an sdcard in | 13:56 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: yeah, somewhere that isn't a complete disgrace to software design and quality. | 13:56 |
| tango_ | ^7heo: something was seriously fscked with your hardware | 13:56 |
| tango_ | either your FS were crapping out or whatever else | 13:57 |
| ^7heo | tango_: well yes, I got angry at it after it started booting for 20 minutes every time for ages | 13:57 |
| r0kk3rz | btrfs issues causes all kinds of shennanigans thats true | 13:57 |
| ^7heo | tango_: so I basically fucked it up after. | 13:57 |
| ^7heo | tango_: but that happened on a clean, fresh hardware. | 13:57 |
| ^7heo | tango_: before I started slapping it every other day | 13:57 |
| mal | sounds like a hardware issue | 13:58 |
| tango_ | looks like you got the losing ticket on the lottery then | 13:58 |
| ^7heo | I dunno | 13:58 |
| ^7heo | maybe. | 13:58 |
| tadzik | I'm sure it was gnu | 13:58 |
| tango_ | because I've never had that kind of problem, and I have _lots_ to complain about about sailfish | 13:58 |
| ^7heo | I got only one device, so there's not much room for statistics. | 13:58 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: that is very relevant to the discussion; thanks for your valuable input. | 13:58 |
| ^7heo | tango_: well, how long have you used it? | 13:58 |
| tadzik | ironic | 13:59 |
| ^7heo | tango_: it started happening roughly a year after I got it. | 13:59 |
| tango_ | ^7heo: I have one of the First ones | 13:59 |
| ^7heo | tadzik: you think? | 13:59 |
| tadzik | jolla was really following nokia's maemo traditions when it comes to shipping faulty devices ;) | 13:59 |
| tango_ | december 2013? | 13:59 |
| ^7heo | ok | 13:59 |
| ^7heo | I got mine summer 2015 | 13:59 |
| ^7heo | I think that was one of the last ones. | 13:59 |
| tango_ | I use it as smart- without the -phone thing, that might have something to do with it | 13:59 |
| mal | tadzik: I'm pretty sure all manufacturers sometimes send faulty devices | 13:59 |
| tadzik | mal: oh, of course | 14:00 |
| tadzik | but the battery connectors fault was probably even more widespread than n900's usb thingy | 14:00 |
| mal | and complaining about sailfish memory usage, I have sailfish running on a device with 512 MB of RAM | 14:00 |
| ^7heo | ah yeah I also had a problem with the battery connectors | 14:01 |
| ^7heo | but that was extremely easy to fix | 14:01 |
| ^7heo | I just had to pull them out with a set of pliers | 14:01 |
| ^7heo | and it worked good as new | 14:01 |
| tango_ | the n900 usb thing is hardly an n900 problem | 14:01 |
| mal | and that is still usable in my opinion | 14:01 |
| ^7heo | mal: we have different ideas of usable. | 14:01 |
| ^7heo | mal: how many tabs do you have open in firefox at once, max? | 14:02 |
| tango_ | a lot of micr-usb connectors are flaky | 14:02 |
| tango_ | (mini usb uber alles) | 14:02 |
| ^7heo | USB C is fine tbh | 14:02 |
| tango_ | the biggest issue with the n900 for me was the frigging light sensor | 14:02 |
| ^7heo | they really improved the design on that one | 14:02 |
| mal | ^7heo: it depends, sometimes more than 20 or 30 usually less than 10, on mobile phone I rarely have many tabs in browser | 14:03 |
| ^7heo | ok | 14:03 |
| ^7heo | I maxxed at, I dunno, 8? | 14:04 |
| ^7heo | 10 maybe. | 14:04 |
| ^7heo | and yet I had issues like "extremely rasterized rendering" when I scrolled, to the point of not being able to read a thing | 14:04 |
| ^7heo | and the thing stayed rasterized for minutes | 14:04 |
| ^7heo | then was suddently re-rendered fine | 14:04 |
| ^7heo | and if I touched the screen and it scrolled just one pixel, BAM, rasterized again; gotta wait 10 more minutes. | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah the browser isnt amazing, but browsers are hard | 14:05 |
| ^7heo | definitely hard | 14:05 |
| ^7heo | I won't argue with that. | 14:05 |
| ^7heo | browsers are more than hard; tbh, they're a f***ing problem. | 14:05 |
| mal | r0kk3rz: it doesn't help that a lot of websites are crap | 14:05 |
| ^7heo | +1 ^ | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | mal: that is the main reason why browsers are hard | 14:05 |
| mal | yep | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | or, also, the same graphical buffer was rendered on every tab | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | no matter what tab I was on, I'd see the same thing | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | and of course, the weekly segfault | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | at the least. | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | so yeah | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | I don't have much to complain about for the rest tho. | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah well thats mostly because jolla has been using electrolysis a lot longer than mozilla has | 14:06 |
| mal | I only have browser open on my phone when I need to check something, same with mobile data | 14:06 |
| ^7heo | it's mostly the system being unstable AF and slow AF and the browser being... a browser. | 14:07 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. since like the beginning | 14:07 |
| r0kk3rz | ^7heo: thats cool, we get it, enjoy your pixel | 14:07 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: it doesn't mean I don't want to help Sailfish/Jolla tho. | 14:07 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: I'm perfectly aware that there is a problem with the current state of the mobile OSes. | 14:07 |
| ^7heo | (and hardware, but that's a different problem) | 14:07 |
| ^7heo | in the end, yes I need something that works, but I'll still get more phones to run sailfish on | 14:08 |
| ^7heo | (like a FP2 or my original Jolla) | 14:08 |
| mal | I currently use FP2 with sailfish as my main phone, I have my Jolla 1 as a secondary phone for android apps | 14:09 |
| r0kk3rz | with the segfaults you mention, im not sure it wasnt your device | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | like, things dont crash for me, my uptime is measured in months | 14:10 |
| mal | I can't remember ever having a crash on Jolla 1 or other official device | 14:10 |
| King_DuckZ | I just received a company email saying there's some upcoming workshop and we should register if we want to participate, and if it's oversubscribed they will randomly select fewer people among all the subscribers | 14:13 |
| King_DuckZ | ... | 14:13 |
| King_DuckZ | I'm thinking to write a vitriolic email to the hr demanding that they show me proof it's oversubscribed and the random algorithm used for the random selection | 14:13 |
| * King_DuckZ waves fist in air | 14:15 | |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: I can't tell. | 14:18 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: I have only one sailfish device for now. | 14:18 |
| ^7heo | r0kk3rz: I'll tell you when I get my FP2 | 14:18 |
| tortoisedoc | ^7heo: btw speaking about trolls, the worse ive seen is the cake on tmo for the one year tablet project..that was geht epy | 14:41 |
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| tortoisedoc | *was creepy | 14:41 |
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| ^7heo | tortoisedoc: I haven't seen that. | 14:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | ^7heo its somewhere in the jolla tablet thread on tmo | 15:06 |
| tortoisedoc | tried searching but tmi search sucks ballz | 15:06 |
| tortoisedoc | *tmo | 15:07 |
| ^7heo | yeah well, use google or whatever ;) | 15:09 |
| tortoisedoc | wish that worked :D | 15:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | unfortunately that tablet thread is a little epic | 15:17 |
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| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz back then it seemed more like a vendetta | 15:24 |
| tortoisedoc | i wonder what happened | 15:25 |
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| brucebannee | hi | 21:40 |
| brucebannee | my onyx tells me i'm running out of data storage | 21:41 |
| brucebannee | under the 'storage tab' under settings, it says mMa | 21:42 |
| brucebannee | it says 'mass storage' has 1.2 gb free | 21:42 |
| brucebannee | 10.6 gb used | 21:42 |
| brucebannee | sorry, 'mass *memory'. anyway, when i tap that, it says out of the 10.6 gb used, 8.2gb is under | 21:44 |
| brucebannee | 8.2 gb is under 'Sailfish OS and other files' | 21:44 |
| brucebannee | my question is how do i clear that? | 21:44 |
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| brucebannee | anybody know? | 21:48 |
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