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| leszek | so now I am at a point were youtube is unwatchable on webcat as youtube switched to webm/vp8 or vp9 almost everywhere and we still lack decoding support for this in SailfishOS. What a bummer | 10:07 |
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| LarstiQ | leszek: hmm, haven't run into that yet | 10:18 |
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| LarstiQ | but yeah, support needed | 10:19 |
| Robbster | Does anyone know which Sony models are going to be supported? | 10:23 |
| Robbster | The sony Xperia X series is a number of different models. | 10:23 |
| mal | https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/commit/169c3c4590db5d9be5327acf05562b5b2fee46e6 | 10:24 |
| mal | it's just not enabled by default | 10:24 |
| icyphox | graft: that's the only way to install it. | 10:24 |
| LarstiQ | Robbster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Xperia_X | 10:24 |
| LarstiQ | mentions two models | 10:24 |
| icyphox | besides, you aren't using it's security patches or anything, SFOS just needs a base for some of the drivers to run (AFAIK). | 10:25 |
| Robbster | I'm looking at the Xperia X Compact which has a lower (?!) spec than the previous edition Z5 compact. weird | 10:25 |
| LarstiQ | Robbster: F5121 more specifically | 10:26 |
| LarstiQ | at least initially | 10:26 |
| Robbster | LarstiQ: humm, the compact isn't one of them. They just mention the XA and 'performance' (which I've never heard of...) | 10:26 |
| leszek | Robbster: the Xperia X Compact has higher specs than the Z5 compact | 10:26 |
| mal | leszek: check the link I just gave about VP8 | 10:26 |
| LarstiQ | Robbster: right side bar Model, not See Also or Related | 10:27 |
| Robbster | leszek: not universally. The screen on the Z5 is FHD and the X compact is only HD (720p). Z5 is water resistant and the X compact isn't. Minor details, but that screen resolution decrease is a little odd. Hopefully it means a cheaper device with better battery life. | 10:28 |
| Robbster | LarstiQ: - sorry, missed the models in the summary box on the right... | 10:28 |
| leszek | mal: yeah this needs to land upstream. Hopefully with the next 2.2 release. I mean the vp8 patent thingy does not count anymore as Jolla already ships the mozilla gecko engine with vp8 decoding support | 10:29 |
| nh1402 | well the X Compact is a compact version of another midrange phone the Xperia X, where as the Z5 Compact is a compact version of the flagship Xperia Z5. | 10:29 |
| leszek | Robbster: yeah right forgot about the resolution of the screen. Mainly if you have 4.6 inch you don't worry about 720p resolution as you would not see a difference | 10:29 |
| nh1402 | that's why there is a specs of the two compact phones aren't comparable. | 10:30 |
| icyphox | Does SailfishOS work on 64bit now? | 10:30 |
| Robbster | nh1402: I though that the X Compact is a compact version of the XZ, but that assumption is wrong. | 10:30 |
| leszek | Robbster: but take a look at the processor for example. Slightly faster as the Z5 compact but using much less power | 10:30 |
| r0kk3rz | you should be looking at dpi and not absolute resolution | 10:30 |
| Robbster | leszek: yeah, that cpu is nice, and I'm not too worried about the screen res. | 10:30 |
| leszek | thats true aswell | 10:30 |
| Robbster | it will be a huge upgrade from the J1 :) | 10:31 |
| nh1402 | the design of the X Compact not matching the XZ suggests I'm right. | 10:31 |
| nh1402 | The Z5 Compact uses the Snapdragon 810 iirc, which was known for overheating. | 10:31 |
| leszek | Robbster: definitely. Even from the Jolla C I guess. Even when I try out my Nexus 5 with SailfishOS 2.0.5 it is much faster loading websites and such. | 10:31 |
| leszek | nh1402: it using revision 3 of the snapdragon 810 as far as I know which has overheating fixed | 10:32 |
| leszek | +is | 10:32 |
| Robbster | This site: http://www.xperiablog.net/specifications/ lists 7 models in the Xperia range, 6 of which are 'Xperia X'. So a little difficult to know which models are being targeted. | 10:32 |
| leszek | Robbster: target is clearly Xperia X Single Sim version | 10:32 |
| nh1402 | leszek: they claimed it did, but not completely. | 10:33 |
| r0kk3rz | Robbster: its a moot point anyway, lots of details havent been announced for it | 10:33 |
| mal | leszek: that is upstream | 10:33 |
| nh1402 | it seems I was wrong about the design | 10:33 |
| Robbster | r0kk3rz: agreed. I was very excited about the announcement and having to wait 6 months is a cruel torture :) | 10:34 |
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| leszek | mal: upstream meaning in mer ? | 10:34 |
| r0kk3rz | Robbster: welcome to sailfish :) we wait, and wait, and wait, and wait some more | 10:34 |
| Robbster | r0kk3rz: I'm not new here. Been on this journey since N900->N9->J1. | 10:34 |
| Robbster | r0kk3rz: but solidly a 'consumer' | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | so you should be used to waiting by now | 10:35 |
| Robbster | r0kk3rz: still torture :) | 10:35 |
| leszek | sometimes its even a torture for developers aswell. Waiting for new features, allowed apis, or like mentioned earlier vp8 + vp9 support in gstreamer :P | 10:36 |
| r0kk3rz | surely by now this OS has bled anyone not truely masochistic anyway | 10:37 |
| Robbster | so, in summary it is at least the model F5121 (single sim - http://www.xperiablog.net/specifications/2016-xperias/xperia-x/). The compact is model F5321 (http://www.xperiablog.net/specifications/2016-xperias/xperia-x-compact/), and no news on support for it. | 10:38 |
| leszek | Robbster: yes first Xperia X | 10:39 |
| leszek | later other Xperias from the Sony Open Device program | 10:39 |
| leszek | Xperia X port will lay the groundwork for all the others I guess, so only driver and maybe kernel needs replacement for the other devices to be supported | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | summary: wait until you can click the download or buy button | 10:39 |
| leszek | exactly | 10:40 |
| leszek | patience is power | 10:40 |
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| mal | leszek: that code was already included in sailfish 2.0.4, it's just not enabled, people can manually enable VP8 in a configuration file if they want | 10:44 |
| leszek | Robbster: meanwhile enjoy a new old video trailer from march just released about 1 hour ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pEipApD7w0&t=0s | 10:45 |
| leszek | mal: which configuration file ? Can you tell me more on how to enable it ? | 10:45 |
| mal | just a moment I'll check | 10:45 |
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| nh1402 | "<leszek> patience is power" but I HATE waiting. | 10:47 |
| Robbster | :) | 10:47 |
| leszek | nh1402: do something else awesome. Start coding on an awesome SailfishOS App or try out awesome new apps for SFOS | 10:48 |
| mp107 | 0:52@video - Sailfish TV? :) | 10:48 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: then buy an iphone, apple seems to work on a very predictable schedule | 10:49 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: HOW DARE YOU | 10:50 |
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| Robbster | mp107: the original meego case was rumoured to be prototype in can infotainment systems, so sailfish TV shouldn't be a stretch | 10:50 |
| Robbster | mp107: given a large enough dev team :/ | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: :D | 10:51 |
| mp107 | Robbster: I see | 10:51 |
| nh1402 | leszek: I'm working on something. ;) | 10:51 |
| Robbster | mp107: s/case/base/ | 10:52 |
| Robbster | mp107: s/"in can"/"in car" | 10:52 |
| leszek | nice me too. Though I have less and less time for it :P So in general this app is something I could've finished in one week maybe. But now the code lies around since a few months already | 10:52 |
| nh1402 | Robbster: rumoured, I thought it was already confirmed, with BMW at least. | 10:52 |
| Robbster | nh1402: Your information is almost certainly more accurate than mine. I just remember that it was one of the objectives of the original project. | 10:54 |
| nh1402 | do BMW still use that awful i-system thing? I know someone who does, and I just want to rip it out of the car and throw it out the window. | 10:59 |
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| locusf | rust ftw | 15:09 |
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| leszek | mal: did you find the config option for enabling vp8 support = | 15:11 |
| leszek | ? | 15:11 |
| mal | leszek: probably but I have trouble getting it working, trying to investigate what is wrong | 15:11 |
| leszek | ah ok | 15:11 |
| mal | leszek: on the device (fp2) I'm testing on shows the decoder as root but not as normal user, no idea why | 15:12 |
| leszek | strange indeed | 15:13 |
| leszek | can the decoder be copied to a user directory to see if the normal user has then access to it | 15:13 |
| mal | the decoder comes fron android side | 15:13 |
| mal | *from | 15:14 |
| leszek | oh xD | 15:14 |
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| mal | it seems vp8 codec cannot be enabled at the moment due to some bug somewhere | 19:10 |
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