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| sea | So.. what are my options if I want to buy a phone with sailfishOS version 2+ ? | 02:05 |
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| Lieke | probably best to wait until end of Q2 for sony xperia | 02:08 |
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| sea | That's a certainty? It'll be annoying if I wait and then it turned out to be just a rumor | 02:11 |
| Lieke | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sony_Jolla_press_release_MWC2017_FINAL.pdf?x12599 | 02:11 |
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| Lieke | though who knows if they can keep the timeline | 02:12 |
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| nagua[m] | Last irc meeting they said something about july. | 02:49 |
| rydare | nagua[m], july being official release? or would they involve beta testers before that? | 03:03 |
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| nagua[m] | Good question. But Jolla had never done any official beta testing published device. Jolla C also had no open beta phase before shipping. | 03:08 |
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| rydare | oh okay. good to know. I'd like to get off iOS and away from Google stuff too but worry that Sailfish isn't a viable platform | 04:23 |
| rydare | I was on windows phone for a bit and it was pretty awful. just no support | 04:24 |
| rydare | i like the openness of android and the gestures in ios, so i'm thinking SFOS will be a good fit | 04:25 |
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| LarstiQ | rydare: you can try some of the ports to existing phones | 06:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | rydare: sailfish is an OS, not a 'platform' in the same way as goog / aapl | 08:00 |
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| ^7heo | goog / aapl are groups | 08:19 |
| ^7heo | they don't fit the comparison well imho - too big | 08:19 |
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| ^7heo | facebook, when used by other apps, is a much better example | 08:25 |
| ^7heo | (of what a platform is) | 08:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | well, i was more meaning that both of those entities have a lot more integrated services than sailfish has | 08:34 |
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| Mister_Magister | Hello. My app cannot start from launcher but it's starting from terminal or Sailfishos sdk. in desktop file there is Exec=SailfishMessenger should i use invoker or something | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: using invoker is a good idea, but probably wont solve your problem | 09:39 |
| r0kk3rz | check that exec line though | 09:39 |
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| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: what i have to check? | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | that it matches the name of your executable | 09:43 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: it is i can run it from terminal | 09:49 |
| coderus | any link to surce code? | 09:51 |
| coderus | source* | 09:51 |
| Mister_Magister | here can be problem with libpurple :/ | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | when i open this desktop file using xdg-open it gives me /usr/bin/SailfishMessenger: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/purple-2/joinpart.so: undefined symbol: purple_prefs_add_none so that can be a problem | 09:54 |
| Krikke | Mister_Magister: do you have the executable in a path in your path? | 10:06 |
| Krikke | otherwise put full path into exec ? | 10:06 |
| Mister_Magister | it is in path | 10:07 |
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| coderus | Mister_Magister: commented your tweet about libpurple. Just curious what you're doing | 10:08 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: what? libpurple is in jolla repo? seeriously? | 10:13 |
| coderus | Mister_Magister: yes, for ages. | 10:13 |
| Mister_Magister | why nobody told mee | 10:13 |
| Tegu | pkcon search name purple | 10:14 |
| Mister_Magister | goddamit :D | 10:14 |
| Mister_Magister | but you don't have libpurple-plugin-facebook am i wrong? | 10:18 |
| coderus | Mister_Magister: correct | 10:19 |
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| Mister_Magister | coderus: so if i change libpurple-plugin-facebook in obs to use libpurple from jolla it will be ok? | 10:20 |
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| coderus | Mister_Magister: sure | 10:22 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: btw can you help? i'm getting fatal error: zlib.h: No such file or directory now | 10:23 |
| Mister_Magister | on obs | 10:23 |
| coderus | pkconfig(zlib) ? | 10:23 |
| coderus | pkgconfig | 10:24 |
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| Mister_Magister | coderus: thanks now my libpurple-plugin-facebook is using jolla libpurple | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | i think it's okay now ;) | 10:27 |
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| Mister_Magister | hmmm i cannot build it for i486 :/ | 10:29 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: is libpurple in i486 repo too? | 10:30 |
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| coderus | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/nemo:devel:mw/libpurple disabled somewhy | 10:42 |
| coderus | building on jolla internally it seems | 10:43 |
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| Mister_Magister | coderus: what does it mean? | 10:45 |
| coderus | jolla should have their own internal obs :) | 10:47 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: it is in that repo | 10:47 |
| Mister_Magister | but it's not in sailfishos:latest | 10:47 |
| coderus | just build libpurple in your repo using mer-core _service file | 10:48 |
| Mister_Magister | sure | 10:49 |
| Mister_Magister | the problem is that i need glib2-devel | 10:49 |
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| Mister_Magister | i'll take care of it later | 10:50 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ping | 17:27 |
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| kattana | when are cheap chinese phones with this installed? | 17:34 |
| Mister_Magister | Do somebody know how can i store password if i want autologin in my app? | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz | kattana: when? not soon | 17:38 |
| M4rtinK | there has been some "coopperation with China announcement on MWC, right ?" | 17:39 |
| M4rtinK | no timeframe AFAIK though | 17:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, nothing concrete though just intentions | 17:40 |
| M4rtinK | exactly | 17:41 |
| kattana | argh!! | 17:42 |
| kattana | why don't russia and china hurry up? | 17:42 |
| r0kk3rz | well it takes time to port all their spyware | 17:43 |
| kattana | waahh?! :( | 17:44 |
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| coderus | Mister_Magister: any way you want, base64 should work | 18:38 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: okay | 18:38 |
| coderus | kattana: hurry up on what? | 18:38 |
| Mister_Magister | i just didn't want to store it plaintext | 18:38 |
| coderus | Mister_Magister: it doesnt matter if you plan to publish source code :) | 18:38 |
| M4rtinK | well, until a proper sandboxing/isolation is in place that's probably the best that can be done | 18:39 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: what do you mean"? | 18:39 |
| M4rtinK | or possibly using some local authentication tokens in places of passwords where API allows that | 18:40 |
| coderus | Mister_Magister: anyone who look into your app source code can know how your password is encrypted/stored | 18:40 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: quite possibly even without the source code actually | 18:40 |
| coderus | well, i know couple of techniques for that :) | 18:41 |
| Mister_Magister | yep storing password isn't secure in any way | 18:41 |
| Mister_Magister | but i just don't want to save it plaintext :D | 18:42 |
| kimmoli | simplecrypt with key based on device identification should make them not copyable to another device atleast | 18:42 |
| Mister_Magister | kimmoli: but if you have file with password then you probably have device too | 18:44 |
| Mister_Magister | :D | 18:44 |
| Mister_Magister | but good idea | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK | or possibly a master password users would have to enter to decrypt the actual password | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK | pretty bad from usability PoV though | 18:44 |
| Mister_Magister | M4rtinK: and save that master password :D | 18:45 |
| M4rtinK | :D | 18:45 |
| kimmoli | no, just hash of it | 18:45 |
| Mister_Magister | kimmoli: then it's not auto login | 18:45 |
| kimmoli | you can still autologin with the accout pwd, but to see/change it from app youll need master pwd | 18:46 |
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| kimmoli | strace would show it propably.. you need to setup some other login means that password to avoid this | 18:47 |
| kimmoli | than* | 18:47 |
| Mister_Magister | kimmoli: i need autologin for facebook messenger | 18:48 |
| Mister_Magister | and there are apps already that have autologin | 18:48 |
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| sea | So, I'm playing around with a new laptop that broke. It's got fancy secure boot stuff | 22:56 |
| sea | I'm trying to get Fedora to boot on it.. | 22:57 |
| sea | I'm failing | 22:57 |
| rydare | i had an easy time with fedora until i installed the proprietary nvidia drivers, then it went to crap | 23:02 |
| rydare | secure boot is a hassle though | 23:02 |
| sea | I'm not even trying to install Fedora. It only needs to boot, so that I can copy data off the hard drive. It won't even let me do that | 23:03 |
| sea | what the | 23:05 |
| sea | oh sorry, wrong channel | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | sea: I actually work on the Fedora installer ;-) | 23:11 |
| sea | :) Then I'll let you know what I think of it as soon as I can get to that. I'm still attempting to get to grub | 23:12 |
| sea | probably some random bios setting I need to tweak | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | can't you just boot a live image and use it to recover data ? | 23:16 |
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| M4rtinK | sea: also I guess you could get a sata-USB adapter and use that for data recovery | 23:17 |
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| sea | That's what I was just about to do. I unscrewed a little door on the back of the laptop and it opened up to the memory and wireless card. I have to disassemble the whole thing to get to the hard drive. | 23:27 |
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| sea | Yay! Fedora booted! | 23:36 |
| sea | Mission accomplished. | 23:36 |
| M4rtinK | sea: Nice! :) | 23:38 |
| sea | uh-oh | 23:41 |
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| sea | Nope, didn't work. I put in a windows installation disk now | 23:49 |
| sea | Apparently ntfsfix on fedora doesn't really do much. All it did was tell me to run chkdsk on windows.. | 23:49 |
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