Monday, 2017-02-27

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tortoisedochmhm09:36
tortoisedocwhat news will we hear?09:36
r0kk3rzINOI apparently09:37
r0kk3rzruski for 'unlike'09:37
nh1402tortoisedoc: the most important news of MWC09:37
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Mister_Magistermaybe smartwatch?09:37
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: "ruski" haha :D09:38
kimmolihttps://t.co/NXHn1OzawF just staring that XPERIA on the "selected customers"09:38
r0kk3rzwait whut?09:39
r0kk3rzsony making a sailfish phone would be huge news09:40
Mister_Magisterkimmoli: yeah i saw it too whaaat?09:40
kimmolitrollolololo on the stand?09:40
r0kk3rzhttps://twitter.com/JollaFr/status/83614375889065164809:40
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: this would be overpowered boost for jolla09:40
r0kk3rzi also thought intex gave up on sailfish?09:41
Mister_Magisterwut inoi?09:41
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: ruski phone09:42
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: maybe09:42
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: i know but haven't seen a photo09:42
Mister_Magisterwait "ruski" is in english?09:42
r0kk3rzi posted it just earlier09:42
Mister_Magisteri09:43
r0kk3rz'ruski' is a slang, possibly offensive term for russian09:43
Mister_Magisterit was just my reaction09:43
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: it's polish word too so it's funnu for me :D09:44
r0kk3rzperhaps thats where we got it from :)09:44
Mister_Magisterinoi is just like jollac but for russia09:45
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: in polish proper word is 'rosyjski' means russian but in 'slang' it's "ruski" :D09:46
Mister_Magisterdamn inoi is beautiful *-*09:46
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Mister_Magisteri have to stop using ' instead of " because ' is for chars :v09:47
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: in speech its fine to use either09:47
Mister_Magisterlike in polish09:48
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dr_gogeta86Mister_Magister, sam hw of C10:33
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Mister_Magisterof C?10:39
Mister_Magisterlivestream? link?10:40
taaem[m]Sony making a Sailfish Phone would be unbelievable O.o10:40
larstiq_taaem[m]: it's not going to be quite _that_ impressive I'm afraid10:40
kimmolileaks10:40
taaem[m]#leak10:40
Hartzistop trolling :|10:41
Mister_MagisterxD10:41
taaem[m]larstiq_: but still I'm really curious10:41
Mister_Magisteryep10:41
Mister_Magisterme too10:41
taaem[m]Doesn't the press conference start in like 20 minutes?10:41
Mister_Magisteryep where is livestream10:42
nh140217 minutes and 40 seconds10:42
r0kk3rzlarstiq_: sony smartwatch with sailfish?10:42
larstiq_r0kk3rz: I'm not completely up to date, but that neither afaik10:44
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Mister_Magisterwalking with jolla hat, jolla pin button on backpack whilr talkimg to jolla community waiting for jolla conference. jolla is life10:44
M4rtinK_well, Sony seems to be part of the saner bunch with their Android smartphones10:44
taaem[m]That's definitely true they make solid hardware10:44
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M4rtinK_they have a unified kernel & try to reduce the delta from upstream10:44
M4rtinK_and that too10:45
r0kk3rzwell, having anything vaguely to do with sony is good news anyway10:45
M4rtinK_also small phones that are not actually shit (eq. low end SoC)10:45
taaem[m]Is anybody here on the channel at MWC and likes to keep us up to date? :D10:46
larstiqM4rtinK_: that unified kernel reduces the pain soooo much10:46
nh1402M4rtinK_: Sony used to know how to make small phones that aren't $%&^ with their compact series, but they've stopped that now by the looks of it, unfortunately.10:47
r0kk3rzlarstiq: has anyone managed a build with the unified kernel?10:47
taaem[m]nh1402: that's really sad because they were the _only_ ones doing that good enough10:47
larstiqr0kk3rz: don't know, not my area10:47
r0kk3rzkeij0 tried and failed last i heard10:48
larstiqr0kk3rz: but this should be something you can publically ask the hw adaptation guys about pretty soon10:48
r0kk3rzok10:49
r0kk3rzive been working on a sony z3 tablet port, so im interested in any developments there10:49
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larstiqr0kk3rz: I just know it from the "fixing CVEs across N odm trees/backporting stuff" and infra end10:50
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r0kk3rzlarstiq: cool, i'll await the announcement then :)10:51
taaem[m]9 minutes10:52
Mister_Magister8 minutes10:52
Mister_Magisterliveste10:52
Mister_Magisterream?10:52
nh14025 minutes and 40 seconds10:54
Mister_Magister510:55
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Mister_Magisterdamn i cannot find liveatream10:56
Mister_Magister410:56
taaeemI think there is no live stream...10:56
Mister_Magistersad :C10:57
Mister_Magister310:57
r0kk3rzwatch that jollafr twitter10:59
r0kk3rzim sure it will be liveblogged there10:59
Mister_Magisteri followed it ;)10:59
Mister_Magisterstart!11:00
r0kk3rznh1402: whats wrong with the sony x compact, decent specs, 4.6" screen11:02
taaeemits already 1-2 years old no?11:02
r0kk3rznot that old, maybe a year at most11:02
r0kk3rzFirst released 8 September 2016; 5 months ago11:03
r0kk3rzsays wikipedia11:03
taaeemoh thats certainly not ols11:03
taaeems/ols/old11:03
nh1402r0kk3rz: forgot about the X Compact11:03
nh1402but they've stopped putting flagship SoC's on their compact series11:04
nh1402in their*11:04
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kimmoliAnother announcement from Jolla today is it’s adding support for Sony’s Open Devices Program — meaning developers looking to run Sailfish on additional hardware will be able to choose from certain Sony Xperia devices in future. The Xperia X will be first in line to get support, and is being demoed by Jolla running Sailfish here at MWC.11:05
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r0kk3rz\o/11:06
taaemkimmoli: where do you got that from? But _thats_ nice11:06
kimmolihttps://techcrunch.com/2017/02/27/jolla-inks-exclusive-license-to-kick-start-its-android-alternative-in-china/?ncid=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter11:06
tbr"If you’re feeling a sense of deja-vu you’d be right; Jolla announced a plan to create a China ecosystem for Sailfish all the way back in 2012 — with a similar amount slated for ecosystem investment then too." aaayyyuup11:08
Mister_Magisterxperia with official sfos whoa i'm in heaven11:09
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tbrdoesn't take much commitment from sony, beyond providing the open source program for their devices11:10
taaemtbr: which they have in place anyway since a few years now11:11
tbrexactly11:11
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tbrso I'd take this as a purely jolla announcement with (next to) no sony involvement11:11
tbrofc nice to hear they want to commit to that11:11
tbralso Nexus as a target is dead11:12
taaemAnd these sfos images will probably have the same status as ports just with everything working11:12
taaemhttps://twitter.com/JollaFr/status/83617219948462080211:12
Mister_Magistersure i know it ;)11:12
taaemAaand no Android support11:13
tbrso you can also read this as "jolla is now using Sony ODP devices instead of Nexus devices to showcase its software"11:13
tbrunless people improve sfdroid11:13
r0kk3rzyeah, sounds like theres zero involement from sony11:13
Mister_Magisterit's good anyway ;)11:13
nh1402https://twitter.com/JollaFr/status/83617250404141465611:14
Mister_Magistertweetian has live stream of twitter :D11:14
nh1402live11:14
taaemhttps://www.periscope.tv/JollaFr/1BRJjEjadmvGw11:14
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Mister_Magisterawesome11:15
taaemhttps://twitter.com/Eerzan1/status/83616875195544371211:17
taaembut maybe someday in the future eventually Sony will release maybe one device with Sailfish11:18
Mister_Magisterlive ended :C11:20
mosenthis says next community device will be Xperia \o/ https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/83617341142035660811:22
taaemSo that device could ship with Alien Dalvik11:22
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mosenin JollaFR video, only native apps where shown11:23
tbrmosen: don't over interpret. It might still mean "device that the community should use"11:23
r0kk3rztbr: 'community device' was the designation for Jolla C though11:24
mosentbr: right i am a little hyped, hitting F5 constantly on Jollastore :P11:24
r0kk3rzbut same with fp2 i guess11:24
tbrr0kk3rz: yes and jolla called sailfish an "open source os" during MWC previously... Marketing writes a *lot* during a day11:24
r0kk3rztbr: well it is, kinda, mostly ish11:25
tbrr0kk3rz: except for all the closed source Jolla components that aren't11:25
r0kk3rzobviously11:25
tbrand they rightfully caught massive flak from the open source community for that statement11:26
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tbrwhat I'm trying to convey, marketing is very often wishful thinking, sometimes bordering on alternative facts. One should stick to real facts and if there are none, growl and wait for such to appear.11:27
Mister_Magisterit's better to have closed ui than another touchwiz11:27
tbrfor those who dismiss this, I have a few bridges on sale...11:28
r0kk3rztbr: this entirely depends on how you personally treat 'facts' as such, but thats another discussion entirely11:28
taaemI recommend https://twitter.com/JulianChokkattu11:28
Mister_Magisteri see him since jolla bot retwitting his tweets11:29
tbrr0kk3rz: yes, I know and the current US administration has even more creative interpretations, no reason to pick those up though.11:30
taaemhttps://twitter.com/JulianChokkattu/status/836173605272702977 free phones for devs? interesting11:30
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Mister_Magisterjolla is growing india russia south america11:32
r0kk3rztbr: thats just blatant lying, in this case id give the marketing spiel the benefit of the doubt, then re-evaluate when more concrete info comes available11:32
Accehaha the reference in the title11:32
tbrsure11:32
r0kk3rzTC says 'official sailfish sony devices, like jolla c' i guess we will see if that actually happens or not11:33
speactrapress releases now available https://jolla.com/press/11:34
mosenapple style "One more thing" would be, end the press conference with the shop-link to xperia :p11:34
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tbrit would appear the official PR pdf supports my view.11:36
tbrstill nice to see11:36
tbrjust don't expect to unbox and boot to sailfish...11:36
taaemQ2 2017 for Sony11:37
kimmoliwell, boot once to android, enable adb and friends, flash, boot to sailfish11:37
tbryes, that very much :)11:37
kimmolithats what i did to oneplusX, thanks to taaem11:37
maheartIf this eventuates, that's a pretty big deal. This is a big jump in hardware quality from Intex (no disrespect) --> Sony11:38
tbrit's more like the jump from Nexus to Sony though11:38
taaemkimmoli: onyx still rocks11:38
mahearttbr, that's true11:40
r0kk3rzi guess this makes sense, otherwise they would have to resell sony phones11:40
r0kk3rzand im sure jolla cant be bothered with that11:40
kimmolitaaem: yeah. 2.1.0.9 is in devel roughly tested all works11:40
Mister_Magisterwhen conference ends?11:46
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Mister_Magisterit's quiet here looks like it ended11:59
M4rtinK_in any case would be good to have more information about the Xperia based community device12:07
M4rtinK_even just Android support by default yes/no12:07
M4rtinK_so that the SFDroid community knows if support for the new device is needed or not12:08
nh1402M4rtinK_: well I'm up for porting sfdroid, was looking at getting a new phone this year, with this announcement Sony definitely sounds like the way to go.12:11
mosenM4rtinK_: on high end devices, i would choose *perfect* sfdroid over current alien dalvik anytime! Jolla should start to move on from AD and polish sfdroid for better perspective imho.12:11
mosen^ "help polish" i mean12:12
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nh1402I was planning of porting Sailfish to my next phone, but now it sounds like I don't have to.12:12
M4rtinK_nh1402: yeah, why not12:13
Mister_Magisteralien is better integrated with ui but that can be fixed by modifying android like sfdroid will transfer notifications directly to sfos12:13
M4rtinK_but more information is needed12:13
M4rtinK_*concrete information*12:13
nh1402M4rtinK_: indeed.12:13
nh1402Mister_Magister: I know, I know. It's on my to-do list.12:14
Mister_Magisternh1402: hahaha :D12:14
mosenyes, openness has more implications then one can oversee or measure12:14
Mister_Magisternh1402: i'm probably able to do it but i.don't have sfdroid12:15
nh1402Mister_Magister: whose fault is that.12:15
nh1402:p12:15
Mister_Magisteri would never buy phone with ready port for me because it's a waste of money. Better make port so sfos will be available for more phones12:16
Mister_Magisternh1402: yours12:16
Mister_Magisterjust imagine sfdroid on 1GB ram. I had sfdroid once...12:16
Mister_Magisteri need to add zram12:16
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max_power[m]Will Jolla support only sony phones or tablets as well? There are some listed on the website https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/list-of-devices-and-resources/12:35
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r0kk3rzhopefully they will release the tree they used12:38
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r0kk3rzsince they use a common AOSP tree and unified kernel, new devices should be able to be built12:39
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nh1402 "Sailfish OS on Sony Mobile’s XperiaTM devices" the tablet is an Xperia deveice, and they are in the list of open devices12:39
M4rtinK_maybe time to start posting clarification questions on together ?12:39
M4rtinK_;-)12:39
nh1402they didn't explicitly say Xperia phones, so should be both.12:40
nh1402Now the watch on the other hand isn't an Xperia device.12:40
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MMoriAny word on Android support for Xperia devices13:16
MMori?13:17
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* r0kk3rz checks crystal ball: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/83617341142035660813:27
r0kk3rzno word13:27
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kimmolilook jaymzmzmz https://www.periscope.tv/w/1nAKEVqjVRyGL13:42
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