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| greguu | Hi, please let me know what the status is on running Sailfish on hammerhead. The merproject wiki seems outdated. Thanks! | 07:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | greguu: what do you mean? | 09:49 |
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| greguu | r0kk3rz: I like to move from my N9 to a Nexus 5 (hammerhead) and wonder what the very recent status is of Sailfish OS support for this device. Links on the internet are outdated. | 10:48 |
| r0kk3rz | greguu: afaik its pretty good, one of the best supported devices | 10:50 |
| r0kk3rz | greguu: recent discussion here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1516300 | 10:51 |
| greguu | r0kk3rz: thanks, I also follow up at #sailfishos-porters | 10:54 |
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| juiceme | greguu, I used SFOS 2.0.2.48/Hammerhead as a daily driver for ~2 months, practically as my only mobile phone and it was pretty much OK. | 11:46 |
| juiceme | only recently when 2.0.4.13 came out I could not update my device and rebuilding OS resulted in unstable experience I had to switch back to my sbj-1 for the time being. | 11:48 |
| juiceme | yesterday I managed to build the newest release so that it seems to be mosty stable, so when I get the rest of the small hickups sorted I will again switch to using Hammerhead... | 11:49 |
| mal- | juiceme: what exactly was unstable after 2.0.4.13/14? | 11:49 |
| greguu | juiceme: thanks for the feedback, what .zip did you use ? | 11:50 |
| greguu | mal-: this seems to be quite fresh, what is needed to flash this http://images.devaamo.fi/sfe/hammerhead/beta5/ | 11:51 |
| * greguu tried with latest CM 13 and then http://images.devaamo.fi/sfe/hammerhead/beta5/ but it would fail | 11:53 | |
| mal- | juiceme: maybe you can tell? ^ | 11:56 |
| mal- | greguu: that is based on cm11 or cm12.1, not sure which, probably the latter | 11:58 |
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| greguu | mal-: the wiki shows cm11, I think. Could this be the cause ? The beta5 was just released last week. | 12:00 |
| * greguu will try again using cm11 | 12:01 | |
| mal- | the latest development has been done on the cm12.1 based version, join #sailfishos-porters and ask there | 12:01 |
| greguu | mal-: ok, this gives me something to work with, I did ask on -porters already. | 12:02 |
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| juiceme | mal-, everything :) | 12:15 |
| juiceme | mainly all tyhat was related to the store or jolla ID caused the device to hang. Also could not get sensors or camera working | 12:16 |
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| juiceme | I got the feeling that a load of DBUS calls went all the way south, at least journal was filled with that kind of crap' | 12:17 |
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| juiceme | greguu, I use no zips, except what I compile myself :) | 12:18 |
| mal- | juiceme: very odd | 12:18 |
| juiceme | ah, except for sensorsfix3.zip, that I did not make myself. | 12:18 |
| juiceme | mal-, how so? | 12:19 |
| juiceme | greguu, I use cm12.1, not cm11 | 12:19 |
| mal- | juiceme: I mean why would that update break everything | 12:20 |
| greguu | juiceme: did you upgrade SFOS via ota ? | 12:21 |
| juiceme | Yes, I did first try OTA update, which went all the way to hell. | 12:21 |
| juiceme | then I tried to compile a new one but was not successiful until yesterday | 12:22 |
| greguu | so, anyone used this http://images.devaamo.fi/sfe/hammerhead/beta5/ (released 2nd of Nov) | 12:22 |
| greguu | ? | 12:22 |
| juiceme | I used that KS to build my own, on top of my own mer-base | 12:26 |
| juiceme | so basically what I now havwe is very close to the beta5 zip. | 12:26 |
| juiceme | next am going to go thru the KS manually and see where my own KS went south | 12:27 |
| greguu | juiceme: cm12.1 based ? | 12:28 |
| juiceme | yes | 12:28 |
| greguu | ok, so I may be a step ahead with cm13..? I will try again tomorrow. Kernel all good? I saw some thread on talk.maemo.org about custom kernels.. | 12:30 |
| juiceme | I have not tried yet any kernel customization yet, first thing is I need it solid as to be usable as daily driver. | 12:32 |
| greguu | indeed.. this is what I need too | 12:32 |
| juiceme | after that, maybe play with undervolting & other experimental stuff | 12:32 |
| greguu | so there is still a power drain with hammerhead on SFOS ? | 12:33 |
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| juiceme | not that I have noticed, how so? | 12:33 |
| mal- | greguu: check -porters for the images you should use | 12:33 |
| greguu | juiceme: on the http://talk.maemo.org/ forum the power issue on hammerhead seems to be popular... | 12:35 |
| greguu | mal-: will do, got to go now, will check tomorrow.. | 12:35 |
| greguu | thanks! | 12:36 |
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| juiceme | well, I never had any power drainage issues that I recognized as such... I usually had plenty of %:s left on da battery each night when I put the device in charger... and even when I forgot to do that and went on the next day without charging between (altough I did stick it to the end-of-cable soonas I could if it happened) | 12:38 |
| juiceme | I had better performance on hammerhead than sbj-1, but of course my original sbj-1 has the original almost-4-years-old battery in it | 12:39 |
| greguu | juiceme: no worries, that sounds good. | 12:40 |
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| juiceme | during the summer when I bicycled to work I had both GPS tracking (Rena) and Spotify (Cutespot) running for the 2.5 hours and when I got to work there'd still be 80% juice left :) | 12:41 |
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| svip | err | 13:44 |
| svip | Just tried restoring from backup. | 13:44 |
| svip | It restored pictures and browser. | 13:44 |
| svip | But deleted my text messages and contacts. | 13:44 |
| svip | Damn. | 13:44 |
| svip | And I didn't think the backup would overwrite. | 13:44 |
| svip | I just thought it would add. | 13:44 |
| svip | I took a backup back in September before sending the phone for a fix. | 13:45 |
| svip | When I tried to restore it back then, it didn't work. | 13:46 |
| svip | So I manually restored the contacts. | 13:46 |
| svip | So now I got a new OS update. | 13:46 |
| svip | And I thought; hey how about adding all that missing text message data and whatnot? | 13:46 |
| svip | Nope! All gone! | 13:46 |
| svip | Is the backup feature known to have the opposite effect of backing up? | 13:47 |
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| Tegu | sounds scary | 13:56 |
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| svip | I feel so stupid. | 13:58 |
| svip | Why did I think restoring a backup would work? | 13:58 |
| svip | Maybe Sailfish OS should just drop the backup feature. | 14:00 |
| svip | I gives idiots like me a false sense of security. | 14:00 |
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| svip | I'm curious. | 14:05 |
| svip | What's the purpose of using git in .vault if it overwrites the directory if you do a restore? | 14:05 |
| svip | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202312236-Restoring-a-partial-backup-by-hand | 14:06 |
| svip | Also, this guide doesn't work anymore. | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | pvuorela: ^^ | 14:06 |
| larstiq | svip: what version are you on? | 14:06 |
| svip | larstiq: Newest version, I just upgraded. | 14:06 |
| larstiq | svip: fairly sure git is no longer used | 14:07 |
| svip | So 2.0.4.14. | 14:07 |
| svip | Hah, it also forgot my Jolla account after I tried to restore. | 14:07 |
| svip | Strange it remembered my browser history though. | 14:08 |
| svip | And my pictures. | 14:08 |
| larstiq | svip: Jolla account credentials are not restored anymore, you'll need to relogin | 14:08 |
| svip | larstiq: A quick recap, had in for service in September, so took backup prior to that, when I got it back, the new OS could not convert the backupfile, so I did it manually according to the guide above. | 14:09 |
| juiceme | svip, just wondering what kind of backup system do you suppose works so, that it will *not* delete the current state if you *restore* another backup?? | 14:09 |
| juiceme | how could it *possibly* work so? | 14:09 |
| svip | By using a delta system? | 14:09 |
| juiceme | how could it *know* what parts you want to keep and what to losee? | 14:10 |
| svip | I'm pretty sure that's how rsync works. | 14:10 |
| svip | juiceme: Lose nothing? | 14:10 |
| svip | Keep everything. | 14:10 |
| svip | Then let me manually delete. | 14:10 |
| svip | Anyway, the interface did not warn me that it would overwrite. | 14:10 |
| juiceme | if you use rsync to copy a *database* over another you sure will lose stuff :) | 14:10 |
| svip | That's true. | 14:11 |
| juiceme | it'd have to be context'aware, and ask user what to merge... | 14:11 |
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| larstiq | conflict resolution is not a trivial problem | 14:11 |
| svip | I know. | 14:12 |
| r0kk3rz | larstiq: its not a new problem though, and has a large body of research around how to handle it :P | 14:12 |
| juiceme | which is why I am pondering ATM what's the best way to go forward as I'd need to merge SMS databases from 2 devices.... :) | 14:12 |
| svip | But I assume since it did not warn me about restoring would overwrite my data, that it would warn me if it noticed old data. | 14:12 |
| larstiq | r0kk3rz: oh I'm quite aware | 14:12 |
| svip | But it didn't and then it was too late. | 14:12 |
| svip | It didn't even make a backup of what was on it just prior to it. | 14:13 |
| svip | (I should have done that.) | 14:13 |
| larstiq | svip: I'm sorry you lost data | 14:13 |
| svip | I can live with losing my text messages. | 14:13 |
| svip | Annoying, but liveable. | 14:13 |
| svip | My contact list however is more important. | 14:13 |
| svip | And I was able to manually restore it some time ago, as I mentioned. | 14:14 |
| svip | But it bothers me that is not even possible! | 14:14 |
| svip | I have the tar-files on my SD card. | 14:14 |
| svip | So the contacts are still there... somewhere. | 14:14 |
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| svip | larstiq: Wait. | 14:22 |
| svip | I'm stupid. | 14:22 |
| svip | It did restore my contacts. | 14:22 |
| svip | It just deleted my call history and text history. | 14:22 |
| svip | So that's why I thought it was empty. | 14:22 |
| svip | Gaaaah. | 14:22 |
| svip | I really am dumb. | 14:23 |
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| svip | larstiq: OK, so apparently, it did not overwrite my contacts, but it did remove my commhistory. | 14:43 |
| svip | And that's about it. | 14:43 |
| svip | I apologise for stirring up a scene. | 14:43 |
| larstiq | svip: completely wipe, or old commhistor? | 14:43 |
| svip | Completely wipe. | 14:43 |
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| JBB | Can I include custom QML librarys and framework into a sailfishos app? I would like to make the app cross-plattform, so silica isn't good as framework since it's non-free | 15:58 |
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| taixzo | JBB: you can, qgvdial did that | 16:49 |
| taixzo | but it looks rather janky | 16:49 |
| taixzo | on the other hand most silica components have stock QML equivalents, so you should be able to port it to another platform by just having a version with SilicaListView replaced by ListView, etc | 16:51 |
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| JBB | ok thank you! I thought of Kirigami UI, org.kde.kirigami. It's more full featured than QtQuick.Controls, so there should be a replacement for most silica components | 17:41 |
| r0kk3rz | JBB: it would be cool if you got it working on sailfish, then we can have whatever apps get written in it | 17:44 |
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| elfio | Hello, anybody here working with chriadam on community effort for caldav/cardav support? | 19:09 |
| elfio | Maybe dr_gogeta86, dcaliste, William_, ljo_ or lbt | 19:10 |
| taixzo | hmm. Currently I'm comparing two text-to-speech engines for Saera: espeak and flite | 19:14 |
| taixzo | espeak sounds very robotic, but has good sentence shaping (pitch goes down at the end of sentence and stuff) and enunciates well | 19:15 |
| taixzo | flite sounds much more human, but talks without emotion | 19:16 |
| taixzo | and is harder to understand if it's quiet | 19:16 |
| taixzo | I wish there were a way to run flite and tell it "use espeak's sentence shaping" | 19:16 |
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| larstiq | elfio: what's the question? | 20:08 |
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| elfio | larstiq: I'm not experienced dealing with caldav/carddav and I'd like to know if there is some common way to interact with this kind of services or I should use the API of every server like owncloud | 20:27 |
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| elfio | I've seen for now there's only owncloud servers test, so I hope a single implementation could work with any of those owncloud versions, but I think the idea is to deal with others servers | 20:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | covered versions are 8.1 to 9.1 | 20:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and they use slightly different dav libs | 20:29 |
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| sledges | https://together.jolla.com/question/150887/start-of-the-next-l10n-round-go/ | 21:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | sledges: i like these update early warnings you've got going there | 22:04 |
| sledges | r0kk3rz: thanks, i wish they were early warnings also for the actual thing it requests :D | 22:05 |
| sledges | and yet, Dutch translation has been completed in minutes, that guy is one quantum leap ahead of us.. | 22:05 |
| sledges | ..or behind ;p | 22:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | gogo l10n team | 22:06 |
| r0kk3rz | needs a better name, something more nautical of course | 22:07 |
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| sledges | sea l10ns? | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz | why is it l10n anyway, shouldnt it be i10n? | 22:11 |
| proyvind | localization vs internationalization | 22:12 |
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| proyvind | hm | 22:13 |
| proyvind | yeah | 22:13 |
| proyvind | l10n vs i18n indeed | 22:13 |
| r0kk3rz | ah, its i18n, my bad | 22:14 |
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