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| elfio | Helloo everyone! I'm working in a backup app for apps installed from warehouse | 13:55 |
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| elfio | The thing is I'm trying to see what apps of all installed are from openrepos. Is there a prefered way to do so? | 13:56 |
| elfio | My first option right now is: 1. get installed apps, 2. get repos enabled, 3. download each repo, gunzip the .gz and read the xml, parse the xml, see from the list of installed apps, what are from those repos | 13:57 |
| elfio | Is it not very straight forward, but it looks like the only way... I was wondering if there is some way to check locally what apps provides each enabled repo | 13:58 |
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| toxip | hey, I need some help with Sailfish SDK | 16:38 |
| toxip | I can't build anything... everything fails on qmake error 126 | 16:38 |
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| Jare | toxip: could you pastebin the whole build log? | 17:18 |
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| whytrytofly | hi | 18:43 |
| whytrytofly | i havent been using smartphones yet, knowing that i would wnat to wait for linux/open source OS' for smartphones | 18:44 |
| whytrytofly | how configurable/liable is sailfish | 18:44 |
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| coderus | semms havent been using irc yet also | 18:51 |
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| urjaman | coderus: ha | 19:00 |
| klopsi-u3 | whytrytofly: you have access to the shell and can compile/write your own programs | 19:06 |
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| urjaman | but it's not 100% foss, nor does it feel very ... (desktop) linux-y? :P | 19:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | urjaman: does it really need to be? for all practical purposes its a modern linux distro on a phone | 19:18 |
| urjaman | except there's no X. except you need special pulseaudio stuff (code or config) to play sound. except most devices run on android-based drivers... and so on. | 19:19 |
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| urjaman | and except the distro is ... this weirdo distro. not like one where you can pull everything and anything from the package manager :P | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | its not jollas fault the wider linux world isnt yet on the wayland bandwagon | 19:20 |
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| urjaman | but jolla could have made xwayland (the compat stuff) work with the compositor (it'd be weird as hell with this ui though...), but they dont want X. | 19:22 |
| urjaman | (and yeah i do agree that it needs more than a direct mapping to be usable, so ... kinda understandable, but still... makes it linux, but not as you are used to.) | 19:24 |
| urjaman | (and yeah they're weird about GPLv3, thus we have this ancient bash ... and some other random stuff i guess too) | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | with the team they have they have to prioritise, i expect the wider world who have never used desktop linux dont really care for desktop linux on a phone | 19:26 |
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| whytrytofly | klopsi-u3, thanks for that answer, sounds nice! which compiler? | 19:27 |
| whytrytofly | klopsi-u3, and which apps are used by default? | 19:28 |
| urjaman | gcc 4.8 | 19:28 |
| whytrytofly | for browsing mail etc | 19:28 |
| urjaman | there's a jolla proprietary (i think...) email app.. | 19:28 |
| urjaman | the sailfish browser is open source (gecko based) | 19:28 |
| klopsi-u3 | i'm new to jolla whytrytofly | 19:29 |
| whytrytofly | ah okay | 19:29 |
| whytrytofly | urjaman, whoich one | 19:29 |
| urjaman | it is literally the sailfish-browser :P | 19:29 |
| whytrytofly | urjaman, usable on any linux? | 19:30 |
| urjaman | i dont know if you can build it against a desktop Qt, but ... unlikely (and i think it likely uses the silica proprietary stuff....) | 19:31 |
| urjaman | everything graphical is Qt btw ... | 19:32 |
| urjaman | basically :P | 19:32 |
| whytrytofly | so no 3rd packages | 19:32 |
| whytrytofly | :D | 19:32 |
| urjaman | oh you can install other browsers too... | 19:32 |
| whytrytofly | via a package manager? | 19:33 |
| urjaman | you can install whatever you want, whether it works is a different question. | 19:33 |
| urjaman | shell stuff should be a-ok, you can likely even build that on the phone ... | 19:33 |
| whytrytofly | but how are packages accssed | 19:33 |
| whytrytofly | shell stuff...hm | 19:34 |
| urjaman | there's the official store (that i cant link you to since it's only on the phone), there's warehouse for 3rd party apps... | 19:34 |
| whytrytofly | linux usually doesnt build shell programs | 19:34 |
| whytrytofly | official = official sailfish store? | 19:34 |
| urjaman | jolla official, with QA checking etc | 19:35 |
| whytrytofly | sounds quite nice!!! | 19:35 |
| whytrytofly | thanks for the answers | 19:35 |
| urjaman | "nice" doesnt sound like what i said, but thanks... | 19:35 |
| whytrytofly | so as far as i understood you, it is not that easy to compile other programs | 19:36 |
| urjaman | okay it's the best of the bad options for me right now. | 19:36 |
| whytrytofly | urjaman, nice, since i didnt expect any system to be that far yet | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | whytrytofly: it depends on the nature of the program, some are easy, some are hard | 19:36 |
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| whytrytofly | what about window managers =) | 19:37 |
| whytrytofly | is it based on X or how is it managed | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | wayland | 19:37 |
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| urjaman_ | wayland ... | 19:37 |
| urjaman_ | but yeah i've built this weechat on the phone | 19:38 |
| urjaman_ | bye | 19:38 |
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| whytrytofly | weechat | 19:38 |
| whytrytofly | nice!!! | 19:38 |
| urjaman | sailfish irc looks prettier :P | 19:39 |
| whytrytofly | hehe | 19:39 |
| urjaman | (but has less features) | 19:39 |
| whytrytofly | im quite exited now | 19:39 |
| whytrytofly | seems like at least we have common goals | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | whytrytofly: although sailfish is not 100% open source, they do a lot of contributing to open softwares for building mobile linux systems | 19:40 |
| whytrytofly | r0kk3rz, what do you mena by not 100% | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | whytrytofly: the UI is proprietary, but there is an open alternative called Nemo | 19:41 |
| urjaman | the user interface stuff isnt open, mostly | 19:41 |
| whytrytofly | and whats it based on the UI | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | qt | 19:42 |
| whytrytofly | okay | 19:42 |
| urjaman | again, Qt, but not exactly as you're used to :P | 19:42 |
| urjaman | but yeah QML ... | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | it'll get better with qt 5.6, much more standard | 19:43 |
| whytrytofly | why stuck on qt4 | 19:43 |
| urjaman | it's 5.2 or something now? | 19:43 |
| urjaman | some small number | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | its a bit of a handcrafted 5.2 ish | 19:43 |
| whytrytofly | okay i c | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | mostly because early qt5 was a dogs breakfast, and so they had to do a lot of fixing, which they upstreamed | 19:44 |
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| urjaman | (i think the system was still faster and lighter on memory with qt4, so ... there's that.) | 19:45 |
| whytrytofly | and how can idownload sailfish | 19:45 |
| whytrytofly | smartphone noob... | 19:45 |
| whytrytofly | can i simply boot it from the smartphone HD | 19:45 |
| urjaman | (at this point you'll be sad.) | 19:45 |
| urjaman | but yeah ask #sailfishos-porters and say what phone you have i suppose (where is that link again? :P) | 19:46 |
| klopsi-u3 | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | whytrytofly: i take it you dont have an android phone? | 19:46 |
| urjaman | yeah thanks klopsi-u3 | 19:47 |
| whytrytofly | r0kk3rz, true | 19:47 |
| whytrytofly | you wont believe but until now i dont have any smartphone at all | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought i was late to the party :P | 19:48 |
| whytrytofly | =) | 19:48 |
| whytrytofly | dont regretit so far | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | you havent really missed that much, unless you count things like n900 and n9 | 19:48 |
| whytrytofly | but having a terminal (i assume ivm is in your repos too) and other stuff makes it more attractive | 19:48 |
| urjaman | the jolla 1 (sorry it's no longer available... nor is the keyboard...) is the first thing i have that can run android apps | 19:49 |
| klopsi-u3 | n900 should have had a stronger usb port, and 512MB ram | 19:49 |
| urjaman | and hilariously i got it for the (proprietary) android compat (no, i dont want android, i just want the apps :P) and keyboard :P | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | whytrytofly: what region of the world are you from? | 19:50 |
| whytrytofly | r0kk3rz, why do you ask | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | because unfortunately, where you're located might change whether you can get a sailfish device or not | 19:52 |
| whytrytofly | ah okay | 19:52 |
| whytrytofly | berlin | 19:52 |
| whytrytofly | ZTE RacerII | 19:52 |
| whytrytofly | what about that one | 19:52 |
| whytrytofly | just found a cheap model of that | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | 'europe' would have sufficied, but yeah phone availability in EU is not what it was | 19:53 |
| klopsi-u3 | do you want a hardware keyboard whytrytofly ? | 19:53 |
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| whytrytofly | klopsi-u3, do they still exist? | 19:53 |
| klopsi-u3 | you can get used ones | 19:53 |
| whytrytofly | is it worth it? | 19:54 |
| klopsi-u3 | i particularly like the motorola xt894 and xt897 | 19:54 |
| whytrytofly | main things i need: music, programming, calendar | 19:54 |
| whytrytofly | will look for them - one sec | 19:54 |
| klopsi-u3 | there is a sailfish port for the xt897 and i want to try it on the xt894 but there is a battery problem | 19:55 |
| r0kk3rz | whytrytofly: the link klopsi-u3 pasted earlier contains the currently supported android devices | 19:55 |
| whytrytofly | r0kk3rz, i know, there was RTE! but not sure that fits to the one you showed RTE open c | 19:56 |
| whytrytofly | ZTE i mean | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | be careful though, some of those ports are a little bit abandoned, check for a newish image before purchasing anything | 19:58 |
| whytrytofly | cannot find the motorllas you pasted | 19:59 |
| klopsi-u3 | to purchase? | 20:00 |
| whytrytofly | yes | 20:01 |
| klopsi-u3 | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=xt897&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC2.A0.H0.Xmotorola+photon+q.TRS2&_nkw=motorola+photon+q&_sacat=0 | 20:01 |
| klopsi-u3 | nota bene: i haven't tried one yet | 20:02 |
| klopsi-u3 | but the prices on them are really good | 20:02 |
| klopsi-u3 | for what you get | 20:02 |
| klopsi-u3 | in germany the earlier model still costs 80+ euro | 20:02 |
| whytrytofly | which is a lot? | 20:03 |
| klopsi-u3 | i paid 110 | 20:03 |
| klopsi-u3 | so yeah i'm looking to pick up a few xt897 | 20:03 |
| klopsi-u3 | it might be the last chance to get a decent phone with landscape keyboard | 20:03 |
| r0kk3rz | its looking like | 20:04 |
| r0kk3rz | you dont really want anything with less than 1gb of ram | 20:04 |
| r0kk3rz | although without the android memory hog, its not too bad | 20:04 |
| klopsi-u3 | hm strange the working ones are gone | 20:05 |
| whytrytofly | what about iphones with sailfish | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | hahahahaaha | 20:07 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 20:07 |
| klopsi-u3 | wow they're gone whytrytofly | 20:08 |
| klopsi-u3 | and the remaining ones on amazon.com are going for $300 | 20:08 |
| whytrytofly | klopsi-u3, damn! | 20:08 |
| whytrytofly | klopsi-u3, woulda taken them! for 110 =) | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure theres a bunch of them sitting in drawers somewhere with owners who have no idea that they can get $300 on ebay for them | 20:09 |
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| whytrytofly | let me know once you see them again =) | 20:16 |
| kimmoli | someone just offered C for 250CHF on twitter... and it is gone | 20:18 |
| whytrytofly | -.- | 20:18 |
| klopsi-u3 | or get a real jolla phone whytrytofly | 20:19 |
| whytrytofly | klopsi-u3, whats that | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | theres occasionally tohkbds up for sale | 20:20 |
| klopsi-u3 | jolla is the company that makes phones for sailfishos | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | used to* | 20:21 |
| urjaman | more like made. | 20:21 |
| klopsi-u3 | oh | 20:21 |
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