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| iluminator105 | how do upgrade to a newer kernel? | 02:29 |
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| coderus | wut? | 06:32 |
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| Smar | can I have 4.8.0 | 07:18 |
| nh1402_work | Smar: 4.8.0 | 07:20 |
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| Smar | yay, thanks | 07:20 |
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| nh1402_work | Smar: so this was a cheerleading chant then? | 07:23 |
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| Smar | dunno | 07:27 |
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| abranson_ | i don't think it's a silly question really about upgrading kernels. it's a bit silly that it's not possible :P | 07:35 |
| nh1402_work | abranson_: It's the drivers that are at fault. | 07:36 |
| abranson_ | nh1402_work: yep, but it's definitely a fault. | 07:36 |
| nh1402_work | *if* Sony's Mainlining project isn't dead then that might change things. | 07:36 |
| abranson_ | imagine if desktops got stuck on kernels as badly as SoCs... | 07:37 |
| nh1402_work | it's not *that* bad with the SoCs themselves, it's everything else that's the problem | 07:38 |
| nh1402_work | all the SoCs are ARM based, which has mainline support. | 07:38 |
| nh1402_work | the CPUs in the SoCs rather. | 07:39 |
| r0kk3rz | abranson_: you can upgrade, it'll probably even boot. but you wont see anything on the screen :) | 07:41 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: maybe with Freedreno drivers you could | 07:42 |
| LarstiQ | you could use it as a fileserver | 07:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: yeah this is 'nobody has really tried' territory i think | 07:43 |
| r0kk3rz | if the question is about jphone anyway | 07:43 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: I *think* locusf started on a device at one point, but didn't get anywhere. | 07:45 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like something he would do, but that might have been the sony | 07:46 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: if the rumours of Samsung talking to AMD and/or Nvidia about a semi-custom/custom GPU in their SoC, then there's a chance we could get linux drivers for it. As the Exynos chips are found in other things. | 07:47 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: I think ghosalmartin tried also, trying everything to get Sailfish running on his bullhead, but he didn't get anywhere either. | 07:48 |
| locusf | nh1402_work: r0kk3rz: it is the sony | 07:48 |
| locusf | I'll go to hacklab this weekend to open up my z2 and z3c for soldering the uart ports | 07:48 |
| nh1402_work | there was talk of pure ports for qualcomm devices not sure if that meant mainline or something else. | 07:49 |
| nh1402_work | locusf: are Sony still working on mainlining?, or did they give up?, or you don't know? | 07:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: afaik they're continuing, but its a loooong way from usable | 07:53 |
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| locusf | nh1402_work: -DNO_IDEA | 07:54 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: maybe an update at the year mark? | 07:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: im sure theres something on the sonyxperiadev github you could watch | 07:58 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: nothing that I can see | 08:17 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: interestingly there are no pull requests that I can see from sonyxperiadev to the torvalds/linux repo, at all. | 08:20 |
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| urjaman | linus doesnt do github prs | 08:26 |
| urjaman | iirc | 08:26 |
| locusf | nh1402_work: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/log/?qt=author&q=@sonymobile.com | 08:29 |
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| nh1402_work | locusf: thanks, nice to see they're still working on it. | 08:37 |
| locusf | yeah indeed | 08:40 |
| locusf | if I'd just have that as rss or something push-notifyable | 08:40 |
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| fxfxfx | Hello everyone. I am discovering a way to add cloud storage service in the Sailfish OS 2 (latest) on the Jolla C device. Is there any way to do that ? Sailfish SDK documentation does not explain even something near my goal. | 09:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | fxfxfx: settings -> accounts | 09:14 |
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| fxfxfx | r0kk3rz: I am not asking as user but as developer. I want to add new cloud storage item to this account list. | 09:16 |
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| fxfxfx | So does anyone have an idea how to add Cloud Storage service item in accounts menu? | 09:45 |
| locusf | not from harbour you can't | 09:46 |
| locusf | its a separate settings plugin apparently | 09:46 |
| locusf | err apparently -> afaik | 09:46 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | I think it would be so much better to have mega.nz and owncloud native support, rather than dropbox and the other one | 09:49 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | dropbox just suffered a massive hack, I don't see its reputation going up | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, ipfs + cryptocurrency ftw | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:53 |
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| locusf | is filecoin rolling now? | 10:00 |
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| speactra | owncloud native support would be really nice | 10:07 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | yeah, I really don't understand how dropbox got prioritized over owncloud and mega | 10:11 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | I can't even see how much storage they offer from their website | 10:12 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | mediafire also seems superior to me | 10:12 |
| ajalkane | mega is great | 10:13 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | and somehow, I got the feeling that kim won't let malicious users get their hands on my data very easily ;) | 10:15 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | countrarily to dropbox... http://www.zdnet.com/article/dropbox-gets-hacked-again/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/nearly-seven-million-dropbox-passwords-hacked-pictures-and-videos-leaked-in-latest-third-party-9792690.html https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/31/dropbox-hack-passwords-68m-data-breach | 10:16 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | it's no news | 10:16 |
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| YasigiWalter | feature request: support for this http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/9/20/12986234/biggest-sd-card-1-terabyte-sandisk | 10:21 |
| YasigiWalter | :-) | 10:21 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | wow | 10:23 |
| r0kk3rz | why wouldnt that work? | 10:23 |
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| Dotti_ | its sd card, not microsd | 10:23 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that doesnt help | 10:24 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | the 512gb version is quite more pricey than a similar storage ssd tho... I wouldn't replace my 64gb card, I'd rather get an ssd and find a way to store stuff on it on the go | 10:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i did like the idea of using a usb to m2 adapter with the fp2 | 10:27 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | it's the feature I miss the most (along with a japanese input thing) on my jolla... my old nokia N8 could do that as well | 10:31 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | it's called otg I think | 10:32 |
| urjaman | lol | 10:32 |
| urjaman | yeah i heard if the hardware does it, sailfish will mount usb sticks etc (eg. the OneplusX ...) | 10:33 |
| urjaman | but yeah some derp didnt wire the J1 for OTG -.- | 10:34 |
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| svip | Restoring from backup is very confusing. | 10:37 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | any news on any new jolla phone yet? I saw some app in the store adding support for the turing phone, but I can't find any info on the official website | 10:39 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | any other phone in sight at all? | 10:40 |
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| Ultra_DuckZ | sailfish phone* | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | not really | 10:40 |
| YasigiWalter | Ultra_DuckZ: I got an Intex Aqua Fish | 10:40 |
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| * Ultra_DuckZ lives in europe | 10:41 | |
| YasigiWalter | Ultra_DuckZ: which has a battery life that is a bit underwhelming | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | Ultra_DuckZ: so do I | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | got it for 108 USD via Ebay | 10:41 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | :/ | 10:41 |
| svip | The Danish translation of the backup process is very confusing. | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | Customs didn't slap VAT or duties on it | 10:41 |
| svip | Why does it say 'update your backup'??? | 10:41 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | specs are even lower than the current jolla 1 tho, isn't it? | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | no | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | way better | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | quad core ARM | 10:41 |
| YasigiWalter | way better screen and cameras | 10:42 |
| YasigiWalter | so unless you want to wait for the Turing Phone or for Fairphone to finally get a deal | 10:42 |
| r0kk3rz | its a bit of a sidestep, i wouldnt say 'way better' in any particular fashion | 10:42 |
| YasigiWalter | r0kk3rz: IME it is better | 10:42 |
| Ultra_DuckZ | does it work, speaking of frequencies and signal? because for example jolla 1 in USA is a bit crappy | 10:42 |
| kimmoli | camera is not better... first impressions might be but it... well | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | better yes, way better? not really. | 10:43 |
| YasigiWalter | Ultra_DuckZ: it works fine, have been using it in NL and BE so far | 10:43 |
| urjaman | yeah the aquafish has better performance, but ... i dont care | 10:43 |
| urjaman | it doesnt keyboard => ignore :P | 10:43 |
| YasigiWalter | r0kk3rz: the screen quality difference is very noticable, likewise for the back camera | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | single core performance is less, gpu performance is less. screen has more pixels but flatter colours | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | camera seems clearer but noisier | 10:43 |
| YasigiWalter | urjaman: I have a broken TOHKB for sale | 10:44 |
| urjaman | i already have a working TOHKBD | 10:44 |
| YasigiWalter | r0kk3rz: Jolla 1 camera has always shifts to blue and very poor low-light performance | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | YasigiWalter: shift to blue is your white balance setting set to indoor | 10:44 |
| YasigiWalter | even outdoors it does that | 10:44 |
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| YasigiWalter | with outdoors settings | 10:45 |
| urjaman | regardless, you can change that setting ... | 10:45 |
| urjaman | i havent really noticed :P | 10:45 |
| YasigiWalter | I have | 10:45 |
| YasigiWalter | very much so | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but certainly the jolla camera isnt amazing by any stretch | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but neither is the intex camera | 10:45 |
| YasigiWalter | and I had gifted the Jolla to my partner who has a background in the arts and she hated the camera | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | so 'better' is relative | 10:45 |
| urjaman | it's weird since it's the best camera i've ever had ;P | 10:45 |
| YasigiWalter | the Intex camera isn't amazing either, it just isn't as sub-par as the Jolla camera is | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | for a cheap device, is about what id expect | 10:46 |
| YasigiWalter | Yes, it is a very cheap device | 10:46 |
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| YasigiWalter | But it does 4G and 2G fine | 10:46 |
| urjaman | do any of these fancy phones have actual usable 2G? | 10:47 |
| YasigiWalter | Ultra_DuckZ: oh, BTW, Jolla 1 performing badly in the US is because the US is a weird place in terms of GSM-standards adoption | 10:47 |
| urjaman | like in the woods ... | 10:47 |
| YasigiWalter | I typically switch to 2G in the woods | 10:48 |
| urjaman | the J1 is horrible | 10:48 |
| YasigiWalter | because that is way less unreliable | 10:48 |
| YasigiWalter | well, in the woods your coverage will be horrible anyway | 10:48 |
| YasigiWalter | in most countries | 10:48 |
| YasigiWalter | so not sure whether that is a J1 problem | 10:48 |
| YasigiWalter | or more of a network problem | 10:48 |
| urjaman | A Nokia 700 in the same network is like "yup, half bars, data moving, yay yay" and jolla is like "hmm, data connected, not connected, umm a few bytes, ugh..." | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | urjaman: so use the nokia, problem solved | 10:49 |
| kimmoli | we have 4G in abt all of our woods | 10:49 |
| YasigiWalter | Isn't that Nokia 700 on GSM-900 and the Jolla on GSM-1800 at that location? | 10:49 |
| locusf | tbh we have nothing but woods in Finland | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | the finnish woods didnt seem very dense though | 10:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | but maybe i didnt go to the right places | 10:50 |
| urjaman | yeah, i've tried to have the Jolla use the N700 for data, but it isnt easy | 10:50 |
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| urjaman | for some reason the wifi doesnt like to use the hotspot made by the 700... | 10:50 |
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| urjaman | and i couldnt figure out how to make connman deal with a bluetooth ppp link :P | 10:51 |
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| urjaman | (And yeah i know how to setup a pppd link, thats not the issue.. it was actually connman's dns stuff) | 10:53 |
| urjaman | and still, setting up a pppd link from the console isnt exactly what i got the jolla for -.- | 10:53 |
| kimmoli | but we know how to sell wood with correct price http://www.finnishdesignshop.fi/huonekalut-jakkarat-arte-biennale-jakkara-p-12309.html | 10:54 |
| mal- | r0kk3rz: depends on what kind of trees the forest has, certain types are quite dense while others have quite much space | 10:55 |
| urjaman | both J1 and the 700 nominally have the same GSM frequency set (850/900/1800/1900) | 10:59 |
| urjaman | i dont know what they were using though :P | 11:00 |
| urjaman | and i didnt literally mean woods, though there is some woods nearby... mostly farmland :P | 11:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | mal-: whats the bet that nokia chose frequencies that work best in finnish forests | 11:05 |
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| larstiq | "your phone has no signal? Move to our superior woods" | 11:06 |
| urjaman | lol | 11:06 |
| urjaman | but yeah i think they just cared more about performance far away than whatever ODM the J1 is based on ... | 11:07 |
| r0kk3rz | subjective qualities dont sell smartphones, spec sheets do | 11:09 |
| urjaman | pretty sure you could put a number to that performance (like can operate down to x dBm or whatever), but it just doesnt seem to matter ... | 11:11 |
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| svip | It keeps attempting to update my backup, but it doesn't appear to be working. | 11:21 |
| svip | Did the new version of Sailfish OS break that feature? | 11:21 |
| svip | It claims it has updated my backup with a smiley, but I cannot restore from it. | 11:21 |
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| svip | https://together.jolla.com/question/139882/aurajoki-updating-backup-fails/ | 11:39 |
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