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| tortoisedoc | hey ho | 05:53 |
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| tortoisedoc | is alien dalvik libhybris based? | 05:53 |
| tortoisedoc | or does it "poke" through it to the underneath android kernel? | 05:54 |
| tortoisedoc | (or better, the android apps that run on adalvik) | 05:54 |
| tortoisedoc | ping Stskeeps | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's not | 05:54 |
| tortoisedoc | not poking or not based? :P | 05:55 |
| tortoisedoc | im wondering, using a mainline kernel, if sfdroid would work fine | 05:56 |
| tortoisedoc | without libhybris i mean | 05:56 |
| tortoisedoc | or if it would still require some emulation layer | 05:56 |
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| Stskeeps | no, sfdroid requires an android kernel | 05:58 |
| tortoisedoc | ah i see | 06:00 |
| tortoisedoc | so its like going android without android | 06:00 |
| tortoisedoc | keeping the cake while eating the fish :P | 06:00 |
| tortoisedoc | i'd wonder, dalvik is open source, but there's more to it; so is there any opensource adalvik's around | 06:01 |
| tortoisedoc | baseline, mainstream kernel will work with alien dalvik, but not with sfdroid, correct? | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | no | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | it needs to be an android enabled kernel | 06:02 |
| tortoisedoc | also for alien dalvik? | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 06:03 |
| tortoisedoc | how comes? | 06:03 |
| tortoisedoc | what is the main requirement there? | 06:03 |
| tortoisedoc | if there's an emulation layer in between? | 06:03 |
| * tortoisedoc confused | 06:03 | |
| tortoisedoc | its like putting cheese, then bacon, then cheese again? | 06:04 |
| tortoisedoc | or cream, the strawberries on top, then again cream on top of the strawberries (On a cake i mean)? | 06:04 |
| tortoisedoc | ah there's shashlik | 06:04 |
| tortoisedoc | yadda yadda | 06:05 |
| tortoisedoc | there goes my replacement :P | 06:05 |
| tortoisedoc | now i | 06:05 |
| tortoisedoc | now I *just* need the jolla parts for the tablet :P | 06:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: i would assume there are things in an 'android' kernel that havent been upstreamed to mainline | 08:16 |
| tbr | the patchset is nowadays a lot smaller, but there are a couple of things. Most prominently 'wakelocks', although that was sort of resolved recently too: https://www.linux.com/blog/android-kernel-wakelock-solution | 08:18 |
| tbr | The larger problem are "Frankenkernels", which are a stack of: Silicon vendor fork of Linux (generally an Android blessed, old version), with possibly hundreds of thousands of their own changes on top, then the ODM puts their hardware specific drivers on top of that and finally the Mobile phone company puts a lot of fixes on top and generally messes with things, backports some things, etc. | 08:22 |
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| tbr | so you end up with a situation where we are at 4.7.2, but there are hundreds of devices with a 3.2 franken kernel coming out every month. | 08:23 |
| tbr | to run Linux on a near vanilla kernel you probably can extract the android patchset from latest AOSP kernel source. The easier way though would be to look at what Linaro are doing. They recently had plain AOSP boot on a (near) vanilla kernel. | 08:25 |
| tbr | s/Linux/AOSP/ | 08:26 |
| tortoisedoc | there seems to be initiatives to have a similar IPC in the linux kernel by (surprise) Poettering | 08:30 |
| Ezko_ | can i get my contact information out of my jolla in a way that i can get them into my new android phone easily? | 08:31 |
| Ezko_ | don't feel like manually doing all of them | 08:31 |
| tbr | as VCFs probably | 08:37 |
| r0kk3rz | Ezko_: https://together.jolla.com/question/384/export-vcf-from-people/ | 08:38 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : wait wait, why are frankenkernels relevant to me, if id like to use mainline kernel? | 08:41 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: I was just explaining the whole mess | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : thanks! | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | so basically | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | assuming I'd like to go "vanilla" kernelö | 08:42 |
| tbr | also that means, vanilla might not support everything or might have worse power management or might have bugs that were fixed in some of the frankenkernels | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | i'd need | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | a) patches from AOSP for binder & co | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | b) jolla parts from sfos | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | given lipstick is qml, theoretically I should be able to run the one from tablet fw right?= | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr: yes ofc | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : but mer has vanilla, non libhybris version too? | 08:44 |
| tbr | of what? | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | mer is mainstream kernel? | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | s/mainstream/mainline | 08:44 |
| tbr | mer doesn't have a kernel per se | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | :O | 08:45 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 08:45 |
| tortoisedoc | now i see | 08:45 |
| tbr | it is bring-your-own-adaptation | 08:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | okay, but jolla tablet kernel is AOSP, correct+ | 08:46 |
| tbr | jolla tablet is probably an aosp intel frankenkernel, yes | 08:46 |
| tortoisedoc | okay; then on top of that, there is libhybris, and then sfos, and then lipstick / apps | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | (mer being libhybris / lower parts of sfos)= | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | id wonder if the aosp for the jolla tablet is open source.. | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | being intel, it could be | 08:48 |
| tbr | the kernel for sure MUST be due to gpl | 08:48 |
| tbr | it is in the regular gpl dumps | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : can you confirm? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | kernel is in gpl dump | 08:48 |
| tbr | there is no public AOSP tree with everything | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | im sure you all noticed how much of a n00b on this theme I am btw :P | 08:49 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : why not, if its intel? | 08:49 |
| tortoisedoc | ok of course theres the ODM parts | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | meaning drivers etc | 08:50 |
| tbr | yes | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | but for that, being it intel hw, i might have a shot (at least for the main hw's like camera etc) | 08:50 |
| tbr | contrary to public belief, intel does a lot of closed source stuff | 08:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: Stskeeps did the adaptation for the jtab, and certainly did a lot of swearing over it :) | 08:51 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : yay, so I can poke you now on how to get the kernel running! :D | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | nah, not in my contract terms | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | but for the glory, think about the GLORY MAN" | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | ill do all the work, you just have to transfer the knowledge :P | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | afk | 08:53 |
| tbr | if you don't need the LCD to work, it should be easy. :-þ | 08:53 |
| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: i think there was someone playing around with other intel tablets and sfos that might be useful to you | 08:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96708 | 08:58 |
| tbr | and #sailfishos-porters is the place to be | 08:58 |
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| Ezko_ | thanks r0kk3rz | 09:06 |
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| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : TheKit you mean? | 09:39 |
| tortoisedoc | XD | 09:39 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : LCD's are overrated anyways :OP | 09:39 |
| tortoisedoc | the jolla tablet did not get them to work? | 09:39 |
| tortoisedoc | or the kernel used for it? | 09:39 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: the jolla tablet is a bit of a clusterf*ck when it comes to LCD, AFAIU. So you might need to port stuff from the evil vendor kernel | 09:40 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : yeah thats going to be the main problem, given i do not have a kernel from teh vendro :P | 09:41 |
| tortoisedoc | *vendor | 09:41 |
| tbr | so HW isn't jolla? | 09:42 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : nope | 09:42 |
| tortoisedoc | found a cheaper counterpart to toy with :) | 09:42 |
| tbr | onda? model? | 09:42 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr : http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_349613.html | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | dirt cheao | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | *cheap | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | unlocked bootloader | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | bang | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | only downside? no kernel sources :D | 09:43 |
| tbr | neat | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | anyways, I talked with TheKit, and most of the hw is similar to the onda | 09:44 |
| tortoisedoc | (check the logs from sailfishos-porters if you are interested) | 09:44 |
| tbr | you might be able to extract enough information from the running system. worst case you might need to decompile parts of the kernel | 09:44 |
| tortoisedoc | decompile? | 09:44 |
| tortoisedoc | you mean dump assembler? | 09:45 |
| tortoisedoc | thats going to be hell | 09:45 |
| tbr | yeah | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | TheKit was suggesting running androidized kernel on it | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | but i'd like to go "vanilla" | 09:46 |
| tbr | if you don't want to crack it open in search of an UART, then the major obstacle will be to get it to boot enough to get USB up. Which shouldn't be *thaaat* hard on x86 | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm for bootloader you mean? its open ? | 09:48 |
| tbr | the bootloader is probably the intel UEFI thing with fastboot sprinkled on | 09:48 |
| TheKit | it uses pretty much regular UEFI, except for being 32-bit | 09:48 |
| TheKit | and then it boots droidboot, which is | 09:49 |
| TheKit | but you can use GRUB2 for testing | 09:49 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah exactly :) | 09:50 |
| tortoisedoc | I finally managed to compile it, will try tonite | 09:50 |
| tortoisedoc | (the boot image i mean) | 09:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | TheKit : out of curiosity, which vanilla kernel did you use? | 09:52 |
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| TheKit | Android-x86 kernel actually | 09:54 |
| TheKit | which is not vanilla | 09:54 |
| tortoisedoc | aah correct yes you posted the link yesterday | 09:55 |
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| TheKit | no, I posted the link to Android-IA kernel | 09:56 |
| tortoisedoc | TheKIt : https://github.com/android-ia/kernel_intel-uefi | 09:57 |
| tortoisedoc | ? | 09:57 |
| TheKit | this is Android-IA kernel, yes | 09:57 |
| TheKit | but you will have better luck with Jolla Tablet kernel than generic Intel one | 09:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | TheKit, use hd intel or powervr as gpu ? | 09:59 |
| TheKit | Intel HD | 10:00 |
| TheKit | (supported by Mesa, yes) | 10:00 |
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