Saturday, 2016-05-28

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bonfusHi, I just bought a jolla phone since I was told that it is the closest thing to "opensource" smartphone and the first thing that I'm asked to do is an account at jolla.com?! Or am I missing something and one can simply skip that and run a pacman -Syu or apt-get update ugrade equivalent?12:26
mal-I think in theory you can skip that but then you cannot install apps from jolla store or get system updates, you can of course install apps manually but system updates will be a problem12:29
urjamani think the biggest one would be enabling developer mode ..12:31
bonfusmal-: thanks for your reply. Pretty strange idea of opensource though...12:31
urjaman(not sure if that works without the store...)12:31
bonfusurjaman: no it diesn't...but maybe it can be changed in recovery mode12:31
bonfus(no idea anyway)12:31
r0kk3rzurjaman: that was changed so it works without jolla store account12:32
bonfusr0kk3rz: not in my resetted version12:32
r0kk3rzbonfus: a lot of it isnt open source, but a lot of it is12:32
r0kk3rzbonfus: was a part of release 2.0.0.1? maybe, cant remember12:33
mal-not sure if you can upgrade jolla phone without jolla account using the same ugly way that is used on ported devices12:33
r0kk3rzbuts its new, as a result of the latest existential crisis jolla had late last year12:33
bonfusr0kk3rz: well, I have proprietary code on my pc too...I dislike the idea of having such a "close" package manager12:33
r0kk3rzbonfus: you can add third-party repos, like openrepos12:34
r0kk3rzand use pkcon to install whatever12:34
r0kk3rzbut jolla repos are closed yes12:34
bonfusr0kk3rz: will do that for sure12:34
bonfusr0kk3rz: as soon as I can install anything...which means creating an account12:34
tbryou are conflating account registration with open source software. those are separate if not perpendicular things.12:35
r0kk3rzbonfus: for earlier version yes, you will have to make an account, install developer mode12:35
r0kk3rzafter that you can delete the account if thats what you want12:35
bonfustbr: agree. Still I'm missing a simple apt-get or similar tool for updating12:35
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bonfusr0kk3rz: will go that way12:36
tbrbonfus: pkcon, but for that you need developer mode...12:36
tbrunless you side load a terminal12:36
tbrwhich would probably work12:36
tbrand if you thought you're getting a fully open source software device, nope. lots of proprietary bits all over the place. That said the OS core packages are mostly open source.12:37
tbrwiki.merproject.org has an overview somewhere12:37
r0kk3rztbr: sailfishorg wiki has a more recent one12:39
tbrr0kk3rz: tell bonfus, I don't care that much.12:40
r0kk3rztbr: you say that, but you care :P12:41
tbr/that much/12:42
bonfusso let's go straight to dev mode. I've seen wikis and I knew part of the code was proprietary ...but that's the same for my linux pc12:43
bonfusso don't care either...but the part "you locked in the factory version of the phone if you don't subscribe" is worse in my opinion12:45
bonfuswell, thanks for the support anyway!12:47
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Deedend_hello13:55
coderusDeedend_: hello, its irc13:55
Deedend_coderus: have you ordered the Jolla C?13:56
coderusDeedend_: no13:56
Deedend_ok13:56
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coderusthat was... unusually13:58
nh1402short?13:58
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kimmoliinstant14:01
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User23442345I have been wondering, does sailfish provide any kind of isolation between the applications (like android does)?15:48
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taaemnot yet but its on the roadmap i think15:49
taaemi heard something about apparmor or selinux15:49
User23442345nice, but then they will have to provide an inter-application communication APIs too I guess15:51
tbrdbus?15:53
User23442345oh, yeah, I forgot about it :)15:55
r0kk3rzUser23442345: theres also hints about more permissions management for dalvik apps as well which is nice15:57
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IngvixSounds not working and pulseaudio gives this after reboot: http://pastebin.com/8zcMpsaL16:18
Ingvixwhat to do16:18
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