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| zoldyck | how is Dual SIM support in Sailfish OS? | 07:43 |
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| zoldyck | I remember Aquafish has 2 SIM slots | 07:43 |
| LarstiQ | zoldyck: do you have a more specific question? | 07:44 |
| LarstiQ | otherwise my answer will be "it works" ;P | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | zoldyck: next software release will get proper dual sim support | 07:45 |
| zoldyck | ok, I can think up something more specific | 07:45 |
| zoldyck | is it possible to call from SIM 1 and use data connection from SIM 2? ^^ | 07:46 |
| LarstiQ | zoldyck: yes | 07:49 |
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| lbt | have you guys seen the announcement on the devel mailing list? Development programme and community device ? | 09:04 |
| urjaman | yes i'm glued to my email | 09:04 |
| lbt | cool :) | 09:05 |
| r0kk3rz | lbt: awaiting for registration | 09:05 |
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| entil | lbt: is this interesting to non-sailfish-developer people? :o | 09:30 |
| entil | does community device sound like new hardware? | 09:30 |
| lbt | :) | 09:30 |
| entil | (: | 09:30 |
| lbt | it does doesn't it | 09:30 |
| entil | I just bought an fp2, there's a high standard for a community device | 09:31 |
| entil | maybe the community device is something completely different, like a community pacemaker with a silica ui, then I'd be more ok with it | 09:31 |
| lbt | hehe | 09:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 | 09:59 |
| entil | I'm not even on the devel list ;P | 10:01 |
| mattaustin | https://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/sailfish-community/sfos-community-developer-programme-offering.html | 10:01 |
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| mattaustin | https://jolla.com/jollac | 10:02 |
| entil | I was about to say that I haven't regretted anything in a long time as much as buying the fairphone because that looks so cool, but it's actually not as powerful | 10:04 |
| urjaman | does that thing have the toh interface? (i assume no because it doesnt seem to be mentioned...) | 10:04 |
| entil | surely more bang for the buck in the jolla c but I guess it skips over at least android support | 10:05 |
| entil | urjaman: on the same note it seems it doesn't ship alien dalvik for android apps | 10:05 |
| lbt | urjaman: no it doesn't | 10:06 |
| entil | makes me think is this the actual price of phones, 169 euros, and the hundreds upon hundreds of extra come from sucking google's chicken and buying maps interfaces from third parties | 10:06 |
| Acce | wtf why no Finland on country list | 10:06 |
| entil | because that looks like a very priceworthy phone, I'd be all over it if it wasn't for the fp2 | 10:06 |
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| gabriel9 | and we have now jolla C | 10:07 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 10:07 |
| urjaman | i cant put in the money right now anyways :/, and currently the only improvements for me would be 2GB ram and quad core ... | 10:07 |
| urjaman | (oh and 500mAh .. IIRC) | 10:07 |
| entil | my jolla is so ridiculously slow I can't even | 10:07 |
| urjaman | (more that is) | 10:07 |
| LarstiQ | Acce: Finland is part of the EU | 10:07 |
| entil | must be the 0d android apps I rely on but it's horrid | 10:07 |
| Dotti_ | eh, not available in finland? | 10:07 |
| tortoisedoc | hm guys | 10:07 |
| speactra | just ordered jolla c :) | 10:07 |
| LarstiQ | Acce: (and in the shop, default destination) | 10:07 |
| urjaman | "Pure Sailfish OS 2.0 compatible with Android™ apps" ... so it doesnt have dalvik or does? | 10:08 |
| urjaman | (the /jollac page lists like that) | 10:08 |
| gabriel9 | and i get nexus 5x month ago :/ | 10:09 |
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| entil | urjaman: shit, sorry, I didn't see that | 10:09 |
| tortoisedoc | DONE | 10:09 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 10:09 |
| entil | now I'm wondering if I should just buy that and toss the fairphone because of android | 10:09 |
| tortoisedoc | whew | 10:09 |
| Bysmyyr | ordered | 10:09 |
| tortoisedoc | not again ;_; | 10:09 |
| tortoisedoc | lets hope this time it will actually be delivered :D | 10:10 |
| lbt | haha | 10:10 |
| Acce | LarstiQ: uhm that's not very clear, because there was separate entries for France, Germany etc... | 10:10 |
| LarstiQ | Acce: ah | 10:10 |
| LarstiQ | Acce: Dotti_: if you scroll to the bottom | 10:10 |
| LarstiQ | there is a Country: selector | 10:10 |
| entil | that alien dalvik thing makes me so sad | 10:10 |
| Acce | but I managed to log in with my earlier shop account, which had my Finnish address saved | 10:10 |
| LarstiQ | you can change that from European Union to Finland | 10:10 |
| entil | if I had any sense at all I'd buy that phone and sell off the fp2 but I'm not rich enough | 10:11 |
| entil | gabriel9: we're really stuck with the short straws :( | 10:11 |
| entil | (because I doubt I could get the fp2 sold really, not at a decent price) | 10:11 |
| Dotti_ | LarstiQ: I dont have "selector" | 10:12 |
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| LarstiQ | Dotti_: completely at the bottom/ | 10:12 |
| LarstiQ | ? | 10:12 |
| Dotti_ | nope | 10:12 |
| Dotti_ | united kingdom is the last | 10:12 |
| Krikke | there is no finland in the list | 10:12 |
| LarstiQ | Dotti_: no no, completely on the bottom of the page | 10:13 |
| LarstiQ | let me make a screenshot | 10:13 |
| Acce | LarstiQ: urgh.. you should change that design, not that you can do it anymore for this event :) | 10:13 |
| Krikke | oh cool | 10:13 |
| Dotti_ | LarstiQ: ah! | 10:13 |
| Acce | Krikke: it's really in the bottom, with faint color | 10:13 |
| Acce | just above the Copyright etc. text | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | actually that country selector is pretty nifty | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | first i had it in english; | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | then i realized i could use my already existing account and logged in | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | but the country was STILL in englishg | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | s/country/language/ | 10:15 |
| Krikke | I found it | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | I'd think that such a ui would be tied to the profile of the user? | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | and to be honest, the way to change it is, well, VERY hidden | 10:15 |
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| LarstiQ | tortoisedoc: agreed, but not going to change it this minute | 10:16 |
| Krikke | lol, shut up and take my money | 10:17 |
| Krikke | ordered :D | 10:17 |
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| vam52 | it costs actually €170.36 =/ | 10:18 |
| LarstiQ | vam52: Norway? | 10:18 |
| vam52 | sweden | 10:18 |
| LarstiQ | vam52: ah, wasn't aware Sweden has a higher tax rate than Finland too | 10:19 |
| LarstiQ | one out of five apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates | 10:20 |
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| vam52 | I'm not from EU, so I wonder if I can order jolla-c for me on EU shipping address | 10:24 |
| vam52 | it seems that I can't | 10:24 |
| entil | vam52: forward2me.co.uk or somesuch | 10:25 |
| vam52 | yes, but events option, and they demand home address =) other then EU addresses are missing there | 10:27 |
| entil | the way that service works is you list your home address as the forwarding address somewhere ;) | 10:28 |
| vam52 | =) they have separate option for shipping address | 10:28 |
| entil | just lie ;P | 10:29 |
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| entil | :O | 10:30 |
| vam52 | i wonder if it will be ok to do so | 10:30 |
| vam52 | if there is some problems with this | 10:31 |
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| LarstiQ | vam52: so you want to join the event and are wondering if that's ok for a non EU/Norway/Switzerland resident? | 10:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | LarstiQ : that was the same reply I got when I paid for the lastu case | 10:33 |
| tortoisedoc | LarstiQ : I remember at the time there was a similar discussion (do not recall if with you or not) | 10:33 |
| tortoisedoc | bottom line, shit does not get done :D | 10:33 |
| tortoisedoc | (joke) | 10:33 |
| LarstiQ | vam52: should be fine | 10:33 |
| vam52 | No, it's about phone to be legal to get by non-eu resident | 10:34 |
| LarstiQ | ah | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | vam52 : why would it be illegal (if you do not mind me asking) | 10:34 |
| vam52 | may be some law restrictions | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | vam52 : like which laws? | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | you mean FCC? | 10:34 |
| vam52 | don't know. oculus canceled orders from some contries for example | 10:35 |
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| vam52 | some people from wrong countries ordered oculus on eu-address, and got their orders cancelled =/ | 10:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | aah ok yes now i understand | 10:41 |
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| tortoisedoc | vam52 : see section 3.1 of http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/terms-and-conditions/, so they take the liberty to refuse orders | 10:45 |
| tortoisedoc | (which sounds legit to me) | 10:45 |
| tortoisedoc | hm | 10:45 |
| tortoisedoc | there's a second step to accept the order? | 10:45 |
| tortoisedoc | (section 3.3) | 10:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | vam51 : see also section 7.1 | 10:46 |
| vam52 | i think I'll try to make order and then will see what happens | 10:47 |
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| vam52 | many thanks for hints | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | go on, but beware, there's no guarantee :P | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | welcome :)( | 10:51 |
| * tortoisedoc sarcasm:off | 10:51 | |
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| kaltsi_ | hmm is it intentional that jolla C cannot be ordered to Finland? :P | 10:52 |
| urjaman | kaltsi_: pick finland from the bottom of the page and press save | 10:53 |
| urjaman | very bottom of the page | 10:53 |
| kaltsi_ | thanks :) | 10:54 |
| vam52 | anyone tried SDK installation? | 10:55 |
| vam52 | i've got issues and have fixes for them, probably | 10:56 |
| vam52 | http://paste.debian.net/705403/ | 10:56 |
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| vam52 | ordered, got e-mail from paypal, no email from jolla though | 11:34 |
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| Bysmyyr | I got also from jolla one hour ago | 11:36 |
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| vam52 | Bysmyyr: did you get email from jolla about your order? | 11:39 |
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| Bysmyyr | yes | 11:39 |
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| vam52 | hm, strange. i still have nothing. probably i'm not in first 10k =( | 11:45 |
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| urjaman | 1k | 11:46 |
| vam52 | yep, havent made it into 1k | 11:47 |
| Smar | what, sold out already? :D | 11:47 |
| Bysmyyr | vam52: I do not think so | 11:48 |
| urjaman | doesnt say that yet actually ... | 11:48 |
| urjaman | i dont think so either | 11:48 |
| Smar | yeah | 11:48 |
| Bysmyyr | some other error | 11:48 |
| urjaman | (i was just correcting the amount) | 11:48 |
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| tortoisedoc | OKAY jolla | 11:56 |
| tortoisedoc | you got my money | 11:56 |
| tortoisedoc | now all u 4 p0n3s belong to us! | 11:57 |
| tortoisedoc | vam52 : 1k | 11:57 |
| tortoisedoc | no 10k | 11:57 |
| tortoisedoc | on 1k | 11:57 |
| tortoisedoc | s/on/only | 11:57 |
| vam52 | yep, i doubt if they already got 1k orders. double checked spam folders, nothing from jolla | 11:59 |
| vam52 | tortoisedoc: did u get e-mail from jolla? | 12:00 |
| tortoisedoc | vam52 I got an email with my order nr | 12:01 |
| tortoisedoc | (from jolla) | 12:01 |
| tortoisedoc | and before that, one from paypal | 12:01 |
| tortoisedoc | (about the payment) | 12:01 |
| tortoisedoc | clever jolla | 12:01 |
| tortoisedoc | Starting community program after refund :P | 12:01 |
| vam52 | i've got nothing =( | 12:02 |
| Bysmyyr | my father got email, just now ordered | 12:02 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | "It is expected to ship in July 2016." | 12:13 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | I kind of don't want to buy something they don't already have in stock... y'know... | 12:13 |
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| Bysmyyr | no risk, creditcard covers | 12:15 |
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| taaem | I wonder how much optimzed the core Sailfish/Mer packages are? | 12:59 |
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| vam52 | it was my fault with the e-mail issue, typo in email-address. check it, when place your order =) | 13:30 |
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| vam52 | xb | 13:43 |
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| marxistvegan | hey folks there used to be a graphic of what was free software and what was proprietary in Sailfish, has that been updated somewhere? | 16:12 |
| marxistvegan | i cannot seem to find it | 16:12 |
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| M4rtinK | marxistvegan: I found this (the diagram on the right): http://reviewjolla.blogspot.cz/p/sailfish-os-open-source-licencing-stage.html | 16:19 |
| M4rtinK | not sure how up to date it is | 16:19 |
| M4rtinK | marxistvegan: also an apparently older version: https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png | 16:20 |
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| marxistvegan | M4rtinK: thanks, the part that is confusing is with lipstick to me | 16:24 |
| marxistvegan | it seems lipstick is in part free but not sure what is not free | 16:24 |
| urjaman | lipstick is a library | 16:24 |
| urjaman | the app thats made with it on the jolla is not free | 16:25 |
| urjaman | the library is free | 16:25 |
| marxistvegan | urjaman: i see that makes more sense | 16:25 |
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| marxistvegan | M4rtinK: i am going to do a facepalm as I found this page https://sailfishos.org/about | 16:26 |
| M4rtinK | heh :D | 16:27 |
| M4rtinK | in any case it is good they are open about the proprietary/open split | 16:27 |
| marxistvegan | M4rtinK: yeah, just would like to see movement on it be more or at least a roadmap to it, seems licensing support would be a functional business model | 16:28 |
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| M4rtinK | I would like them to open source more components | 16:33 |
| M4rtinK | even just that all the trivial but annoying bugs known for years can be finally fixed | 16:34 |
| tadzik | I just today discovered that Mail cannot open .eml attachments | 16:34 |
| M4rtinK | it would be more or less a one-liner in many cases | 16:34 |
| M4rtinK | ouch | 16:34 |
| tadzik | good thing I realized now, if I did on sunday I wouldn't be able to get on a plane | 16:34 |
| tadzik | (that easily) | 16:35 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm sure they that's not on purpose | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK | just devel overload | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand community can help with closed source software | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK | a pretty bad situation | 16:35 |
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| marxistvegan | M4rtinK: i agree there are components that could easily be freed and further developed | 18:03 |
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| [ol] | M4rtinK: Is it possible to make modrana use maps downloaded by OsmAnd? | 19:00 |
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