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| gabriel9 | o/ I have not be here for a long time. Any interesting stuff? | 08:14 |
| r0kk3rz | gabriel9: heard about Intex, Turing, Fairphone? | 08:14 |
| gabriel9 | Fairphone yes | 08:15 |
| gabriel9 | Intez and Turing no :/ | 08:15 |
| r0kk3rz | Intex phone should be out already, but it isnt... | 08:16 |
| r0kk3rz | Turing phone is also supposed to be released soon, but i'll believe it when i see it | 08:16 |
| entil | and the turingphone looks like something between vaporware and fraud | 08:16 |
| entil | you can preorder the phone that gives out no updates on the development or anything, like a blind kickstarter | 08:17 |
| gabriel9 | I will wait | 08:17 |
| gabriel9 | Maybe there should be port to Nexus 5X which i curently have | 08:17 |
| entil | some people are working on getting sfdroid a-ok on the fp2, that's probably my next move | 08:18 |
| gabriel9 | currently* | 08:18 |
| r0kk3rz | gabriel9: n5x has been tried, but aarch64 is a problem | 08:18 |
| gabriel9 | So sfdroid is android in window | 08:19 |
| entil | yeah, cuz it seems myriad doesn't want our money | 08:19 |
| gabriel9 | aarch64 is the problem, will it get fixed? | 08:19 |
| entil | or jolla doesn't want to make that happen | 08:19 |
| gabriel9 | Who knows what future brings | 08:20 |
| entil | I'm half contemplating getting a fairphone2 anyway :P | 08:20 |
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| gabriel9 | My Jolla phone is dead | 08:21 |
| entil | mine is so close to dead it ain't even phunny | 08:21 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 08:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | gabriel9: people are working on aarch64 i believe, so it should get fixed | 08:22 |
| gabriel9 | I would use SailfishOS on Nexus 5x | 08:22 |
| gabriel9 | And Nexus 5x have fingerprint sensor, so that would be also nice feature if future | 08:22 |
| Ingvix | where were the launcher files in sailfish system. The ones that determine what app launches and what icon it has | 08:23 |
| Ingvix | *? | 08:23 |
| Ingvix | and is there a documentation about all these paths and where is it | 08:24 |
| Ingvix | paths in general I mean. Where can I find all the stuff in the system if needed | 08:24 |
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| entil | it seems that sfdroid needs to be built for every possible base system (eg. fp2's aosp) | 08:30 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: i believe theres android code hacks in there that need to be ported to each base | 08:31 |
| entil | there was someone here who sounded like the fp2 port should not be far away | 08:32 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: we've seen alien-dalvik working on the fp2... | 08:32 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure about sfdroid | 08:33 |
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| entil | actually that was on #sailfishos | 08:33 |
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| entil | ./03/#sailfishos.log:14:16 < smurfynet> entil: sfdroid starts the underlying services from the system partition normally not needed by sfos. This needs some patches to the android sources, mainly because if sfos accessing some component android cant use them. i adapted some of the patches from the nexus version but not all yet (because the source is different). | 08:33 |
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| leszek | hi | 08:34 |
| entil | r0kk3rz: there's allegedly a video somewhere showing android apps on the fp2 but as long as I can't enter my credit card number and download an rpm it doesn't exist | 08:35 |
| leszek | Seem to have a linker problem when compiling qtwebkit with qt_multimedia support: http://pastebin.com/dB5bcwLK Anyone knows what I am missing or is this an error because jolla mixed in qt multimedia 5.5.0 with the rest of qt 5.4 or 5.2 ? | 08:35 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: correct, its up to jolla/fp/myriad to come to an agreement to release it | 08:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | entil: but it seems likely that if it were to be released, you'd have to buy a 'sailfish fp2' to get it | 08:37 |
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| entil | I can't understand why the store doesn't do commercial apps | 08:37 |
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| entil | not only does it disincentivize app developers but it actively prevents things like this from happening | 08:38 |
| entil | and I don't mind buying the software for sailfish fp2 if such a thing is released, but if I buy a fp2 first, then I'd mind very much having to buy another set of hardware | 08:38 |
| entil | how do upgrades work on these community phones? always reflash? | 08:40 |
| r0kk3rz | its been said that if dalvik was on the store, it would be a price nobody would want to pay | 08:40 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: some are starting to get OTA | 08:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | hacky manually poke pkcon OTA, but better than reflash | 08:40 |
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| entil | wasn't there something that the store should work as long as the phone authenticates properly with it? | 08:41 |
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| entil | "Jolla has been kind to offer access into their app store, and has promised the access to system updates too, but the 3rd party parts are not possible without a license. " https://forum.fairphone.com/t/how-much-would-you-pay-for-an-official-sailfish-os-was-would-you-accept-ethical-stores-as-part-of-the-user-interface-of-sailfish-os-on-fp2/17062 - nice! | 08:43 |
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| Ingvix | what was the page where you could see info about all sorts of sailfish ports and what works and what not | 09:02 |
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| toxip | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 09:04 |
| toxip | ingvix: you mean this? | 09:04 |
| Ingvix | Yes, thank you | 09:05 |
| toxip | you | 09:05 |
| toxip | you're welcome* | 09:05 |
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| toxip | speaking of which, onyx looks amazing | 09:06 |
| toxip | everything works, down to the fm radio | 09:06 |
| Ingvix | in wiki it say jolla store doesn't work | 09:07 |
| Ingvix | is it outdated info? | 09:07 |
| r0kk3rz | toxip: kimmoli has also made special features for it | 09:11 |
| kimmoli | we are waiting jolla to open up store to ports. afaiu needs some backend tweaks | 09:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | toxip : onyx? | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | toxip: nevermind, found it :) | 09:24 |
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| Ingvix | I dislike it a bit that on the adaptations page it doesn't say whether the device is a tablet or a phone and I have check each device | 09:29 |
| Ingvix | as I'm trying to find the best jolla tablet resolution for me | 09:30 |
| brodolfo | me too | 09:30 |
| brodolfo | maybe a sony z3 tablet compact?! | 09:30 |
| brodolfo | ... maybe is the only one ... | 09:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | brodolfo: theres a few of us with that tablet | 09:33 |
| Ingvix | r0kk3rz, how's it working the page has a lot of question marks | 09:34 |
| Ingvix | working?* | 09:34 |
| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: perhaps i should split the table into tablets / phones | 09:34 |
| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: its a work in progress | 09:34 |
| Ingvix | you should | 09:35 |
| r0kk3rz | good experienced porters like locusf and Nokius_ are on the case though | 09:35 |
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| kimmoli | or add diagonal dimension column, or link to gsmarena | 09:35 |
| Ingvix | sounds promising | 09:35 |
| Ingvix | I thought sony z3 compact was just a phone as I just did a quick search | 09:37 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its confusingly named the Sony Xperia z3 compact tablet | 09:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: table is already very wide, i think it might be time to split into sections | 09:38 |
| Ingvix | a bit costly tablet, I found | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | nice though | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | thinner and lighter than the jtab | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | waterproof | 09:41 |
| Ingvix | I'd have a good deal on nexus 7 but it seems a bit too unsupported and does not have active porters on it | 09:42 |
| locusf | scorpion is great | 09:43 |
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| brodolfo | Ingvix, it seems that nexus 7 works well with archlinux (probably also with debian) it's not sfos but is anyway a linux terminal | 09:45 |
| Ingvix | hmm, okay | 09:46 |
| Ingvix | I've never really used arch as I'm still a bit new to linux | 09:46 |
| Ingvix | just set up my first debian apache server | 09:47 |
| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: true, forgot that i have 2560 horizontal resolution here | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: is that all? 3840 is where its at :P | 09:50 |
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| urjaman | lol, i also have 2560 of horizontal resolution here currently ... if i use both screens :P | 09:52 |
| kimmoli | 3840 is just UHD, why not DCI 4K then... | 09:53 |
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| tortoisedoc | so | 11:13 |
| tortoisedoc | new finnish company producing phones he | 11:13 |
| tortoisedoc | android ones | 11:13 |
| tortoisedoc | maybe sfos too? :) | 11:13 |
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| urjaman | "company" | 11:15 |
| urjaman | licensing foxconn to make nokia branded android meh | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | eh? | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | foxconn? | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | finnish company no? | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | not foxconn? | 11:16 |
| locusf | m$ sold cheapo phone stuff to foxconn | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2016/05/nokia-smartphones-new-company-in-finland.html | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | yea thats one | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | but im talking about the other one ^ | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | smartphones not dumb-o-phones :P | 11:17 |
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| urjaman | well... HMD Global owned by a "fund", that was mainly "funded" by foxconn... | 11:18 |
| r0kk3rz | " Branding has become a critical differentiator in mobile phones" *sigh" | 11:19 |
| tortoisedoc | ok so it's foxconn all over the place | 11:20 |
| tortoisedoc | on other news; i heard jolla's slipt in hw / sw division has been cancelled? | 11:22 |
| tortoisedoc | s/slipt/split lol | 11:22 |
| leszek | jolla still has a hw divison ? | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | of course, the porters channel :) | 11:24 |
| urjaman | heh | 11:24 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: is there porter built hw? ;P | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | does sailpi count? that requires some assembly | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | but jolla has always had partners for the actual building of hardware anyway | 11:26 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah unfortunately it seems to be the case | 11:27 |
| tortoisedoc | but most likely it was the only way to go | 11:27 |
| urjaman | yeah, i was about to note that about the only thing "jolla" did was manage to make the ODM fashion the TOH interface | 11:27 |
| LarstiQ | tortoisedoc: what is unfortunate? | 11:27 |
| tortoisedoc | rather than starting producing hw on their own | 11:27 |
| tortoisedoc | LarstiQ ^ | 11:27 |
| LarstiQ | that's just not realistic | 11:27 |
| tortoisedoc | LarstiQ my words exactly | 11:28 |
| LarstiQ | developing the hw in cooperation with a producing partner yes, but setting up factories, no | 11:28 |
| urjaman | otherwise the J1 is basically "just" a ported android device | 11:28 |
| tortoisedoc | unfortunately :) | 11:28 |
| LarstiQ | there is also the whole consumer support side of things, warranty, repairs, fielding questions, etc | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | would've been interesting to see the ericsson soc | 11:28 |
| urjaman | (with the exception of added proprietary bits, but i'm talking more from the hw pov...) | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | LarstiQ : they have that anyways no? | 11:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | (with the Jolla phone) | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : did they ever make it to a full soc? | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | afaik, that project was doomed from the start | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NovaThor | 11:30 |
| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : thanks I know about NovaThor :) | 11:30 |
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| toxip | that NovaThor business was a really sad story | 12:31 |
| toxip | would've been nice to see it run Sailfish OS natively | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, you've all seen it, at least the pre-wayland one | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | i can only say that j1 is heaaaps better | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:32 |
| toxip | you mean the current setup with libhybris and different SoC is better? | 12:34 |
| toxip | I gotta say libhybris is awesome though... without it we wouldn't have all these new platforms competing against the behemoths | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:35 |
| urjaman | but they're not really free :( | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | neither would a novathor device have been | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | tons of blobs | 12:36 |
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| urjaman | but Mali graphics, if i read wikipedia right | 12:39 |
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| * entil ordered his fairphone2 just now | 12:47 | |
| entil | let's see how soon it arrives and how fast I can get sailfish on it | 12:47 |
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| kimmoli | i had my OnePlusX about 10mins, booted to android to enable usb debugging or what it was | 12:57 |
| kimmoli | it would be shorter but wasnt prepared sdcard with image | 12:58 |
| entil | kimmoli: hehe, I'm going to aim for something similar | 12:58 |
| entil | too bad they don't keep stock, the tos told me it's not even built yet, so 1-3 weeks it is | 13:01 |
| kimmoli | i just got email that they have them in stock? | 13:03 |
| entil | really? | 13:03 |
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| entil | I'd love nothing better, but the checkout said it'll take time :/ | 13:03 |
| entil | I also tried a couple of different back cover options if that's the case but nope | 13:03 |
| * tortoisedoc is considering FP2 as well, but since there is no aliend on it yet.. | 13:06 | |
| kimmoli | entil: yesterday 19:24 EEST, "We have finished the last shipment of our pre-ordered Fairphone 2’s. We now have phones in stock! " | 13:09 |
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| leszek | anyone knows why qtwebkit when self compiled against gstreamer 1.0 supports all audio and apparently also ogg theora streams in html5 but seems to lack h264 support. Youtube embedded player fails out and other html5 video players aswell. I thought h264 is supported by SailfishOS. gstreamer-1.0-devel and bad-devel was installed as build requirement for qtwebkit | 13:41 |
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| entil | kimmoli: this is nice news :D | 15:35 |
| entil | kimmoli: hope they don't mean just the last pre-ordered phones but also new ones ;) | 15:35 |
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| leszek | how can I check if gstreamer on SailfishOS has h264 support ? | 15:40 |
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| fledermaus | gst-inspect-0.10 | grep video/.\*264 | 15:47 |
| leszek | fledermaus: thats for gstreamer0.10 not 1.0 | 15:48 |
| fledermaus | that's what's on my jolla | 15:48 |
| fledermaus | gst-inspect-1.0 if that's what you have | 15:48 |
| leszek | fledermaus: then you have SailfishOS 1.x still ? | 15:48 |
| leszek | Since 2.x SailfishOS uses gstreamer 1 | 15:48 |
| leszek | not 0.10 anymore | 15:48 |
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| fledermaus | Description: Mer release 0.2011 (Mer) | 15:49 |
| fledermaus | Release: 0.2011 | 15:49 |
| fledermaus | the inspect tool is still 0.10 | 15:49 |
| leszek | I compiled qtwebkit against 1 aswell and don't get h264 videos to playback which is strange because qtmultimedia somehow supports it | 15:49 |
| fledermaus | I can see 1.0 libs though | 15:49 |
| leszek | yeah ok it shows it has support. Then I am completely confused of why the heck it doesnt work | 15:50 |
| fledermaus | that's only a typefind though, I think. | 15:52 |
| fledermaus | so it can detect it. | 15:52 |
| fledermaus | my laptop has avdec_h264 | 15:53 |
| fledermaus | but my jolla does not. | 15:53 |
| fledermaus | oh wait... | 15:54 |
| fledermaus | it does but it's openmax not libav | 15:54 |
| fledermaus | openmax: omxh264dec: OpenMAX H.264 Video Decoder | 15:54 |
| leszek | how did you check that ? | 15:57 |
| fledermaus | same. gst-inspect-* and grep | 15:57 |
| fledermaus | grep 264 in this case | 15:58 |
| leszek | doesn't change a thing here | 15:58 |
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| leszek | only get typefindfunctions: video/x-h264: h264, x264, 264 | 15:58 |
| fledermaus | have you got /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstopenmax.so ? | 15:59 |
| fledermaus | leszek: aha | 16:00 |
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| fledermaus | looks like 0.10 has openmax on jolla but 1.0 doe snot | 16:01 |
| leszek | fledermaus: yeah and 1.0 is used nowadays | 16:01 |
| fledermaus | do you know how to check to see which package a file belongs to on sfos? | 16:01 |
| leszek | and qtwebkit is compiled against it | 16:01 |
| leszek | rpm -qs or something like that | 16:01 |
| fledermaus | leszek: well, it seems like the 1.0 jump is incomplete, as only the 0.10 inspection tools are there | 16:01 |
| fledermaus | and 1.0 doesn't have the openmax plugin(s) | 16:02 |
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| fledermaus | and on jolla it doesn't have h264 | 16:02 |
| leszek | oh great | 16:02 |
| * leszek screaming at the monitor | 16:02 | |
| fledermaus | hm | 16:03 |
| fledermaus | do you know how to list available packages? | 16:03 |
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| leszek | fledermaus: I just do a pkcon search name gstreamer for example | 16:03 |
| fledermaus | the h264 support for 0.10 is from gstreamer0.10-omx-0.1.0-10.9.6.jolla.armv7hl | 16:03 |
| leszek | isn't qtmultimedia using gstreamer as backend ? It has no problems with h264 apparently | 16:05 |
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| fledermaus | I think gstreamer1.0-libav is what you want | 16:08 |
| fledermaus | but it's incomplete in the repo or something. | 16:08 |
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| leszek | fledermaus: it was removed so its not in the repo anymore | 16:08 |
| fledermaus | hm | 16:09 |
| leszek | I somehow feel Jolla does not want me to develop any apps for SailfishOS. More and more things are getting in the way and apparently they don't listen to devs at all | 16:10 |
| fledermaus | yeah, so afaict h264 got dropped when moving to gst 1.0 o_O | 16:12 |
| fledermaus | dunno why, since the component is there on, eg, debian | 16:12 |
| fledermaus | sorry, don't know what else to tell you. | 16:13 |
| fledermaus | I realise this is something that sfos should provide, but can you roll up a gstreamer1.0-libav package yourself? as a workaround. | 16:15 |
| leszek | fledermaus: if I would be sure this will fix the qtwebkit issue I have I would do this. But as long as I am not sure I have enough patching to do for qtwebkit anyways as Jolla seems to have that abandoned also as it is on a state from around 2013 code wise. So many memory leaks and bugs left unfixed and no reaction at all when I am complaining about it. We can be really glad that qtwebkit uses the system libraries for security otherwise it | 16:17 |
| leszek | would be a security issue nightmare aswell | 16:18 |
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| fledermaus | ok. | 16:18 |
| leszek | And there are two things I can do either stay with the buggy mess we have now for webcat or upgrade qtwebkit myself or end development completely (which honestly came to my mind a few times already) | 16:19 |
| fledermaus | in any case, on my laptop h264 suport is from usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gstreamer-1.0/libgstlibav.so | 16:19 |
| fledermaus | sure, I understand, you can only swim against the current for so long. | 16:20 |
| toxip | how shiny do things look like over at Qt 5.6 | 16:20 |
| fledermaus | and I'm afraid I can't influence that, but that's what I know that might be of use. | 16:20 |
| leszek | fledermaus: yeah if I find the rpm spec file for gstreamer1.0-libav I will give it a try | 16:21 |
| leszek | toxip: you mean in general or qtwebkit wise ? | 16:21 |
| toxip | in general as well as with the qtwebkit... actually there's no longer qtwebkit there but a better QtWebEngine | 16:22 |
| toxip | you should be aware of that by now | 16:22 |
| toxip | at least we talk about it a lot on Jolla Fan Club | 16:22 |
| toxip | need to poke them more in #mer-meeting | 16:23 |
| toxip | Qt 5.6 would be good to migrate to as it's LTS | 16:23 |
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| toxip | if you haven't joined already, I suggest you join #jollafanclub... There's a bot there that relays all messages between our Jolla Fan Club Telegram group and the channel | 16:26 |
| toxip | we have about 133 members there. really nice people there :) | 16:27 |
| toxip | shameless advertising :P | 16:29 |
| leszek | toxip: heard about QtWebEngine. Though a switch to it doesn't make sense currently as it is lacking too many features still | 16:29 |
| leszek | and qt 5.6 has many bugs in qtwebengine still | 16:30 |
| leszek | qtwebkit is solid compared to it | 16:30 |
| leszek | qtwebkit got many memory leaks fixed with loading images, svgs, animations, gstreamer and so on | 16:30 |
| leszek | speed improvements all over the place aswell | 16:30 |
| leszek | I managed to grab a gstreamer-1.0-libav package before it was removed. Now I don't even get the embedded youtube player window but just a black box xD | 16:31 |
| toxip | well, isn't QtWebEngine supposed to be faster? | 16:32 |
| toxip | but yeah, qtwebkit is the reason why I'm not using any alternative native browser | 16:32 |
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| toxip | would be nice if blink could be ported to Sailfish | 16:33 |
| leszek | QtWebEngine is faster as it is using blink as engine and a faster javascript thats for sure | 16:33 |
| toxip | there was Quicksilver but haven't heard much about it | 16:33 |
| leszek | toxip: there was a chromium port of blink called quicksilver however it never seemed to be really updated after all the fuzz about a video demo | 16:33 |
| toxip | ^ :) | 16:33 |
| leszek | I am currently fixing up qtwebkit and if that does not work as I want I will try looking into quicksilver. Even its old Chromium 44 core will be better than current qtwebkit I guess | 16:34 |
| toxip | yeah, definitely | 16:35 |
| r0kk3rz | is tworaz even around anymore? | 16:35 |
| toxip | it's just a mess with all those polyfills... | 16:35 |
| leszek | yeah compiling svg support in qtwebkit makes a huge difference already. Though html5 audio&video support is still strange getting to work. | 16:36 |
| leszek | installing this gstreamer-libav package seems to have broken html5 audio&video alltogether | 16:37 |
| fledermaus | :( | 16:37 |
| fledermaus | does it contain the libgstlibav.so though? | 16:38 |
| fledermaus | what happens if you remove the package and just drop that in? | 16:38 |
| fledermaus | (as a test, not a long term solution) | 16:38 |
| leszek | fledermaus: it only contains that file | 16:40 |
| fledermaus | oh. | 16:40 |
| fledermaus | erm, well then I dunno. time to crank up the gst debugging | 16:41 |
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| leszek | oh great and after removing the package still no html5 video or audio | 16:49 |
| leszek | wtrf | 16:49 |
| fledermaus | have you tried turning it off and then on again? | 16:54 |
| leszek | thats what I am trying atm | 16:54 |
| nh1402 | the n9 has an armv6 cpu, right?, has someone tried running chromium on it, get the one from the original pi | 16:55 |
| leszek | still not working | 16:56 |
| fledermaus | leszek: I dunno what to tell you... resinstall the currently installed gst packages? | 16:56 |
| fledermaus | maybe the libav package borked something. | 16:56 |
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| leszek | apparently doesn't change a thing | 17:00 |
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| fledermaus | break out the gst debugging arguments on the command line? | 17:03 |
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| oozbooz | I don't see a donation link on the website... how are they funded? | 17:14 |
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| leszek | thats unbelievable | 17:44 |
| leszek | I don't seem to make html5 audio&video work at all | 17:44 |
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| leszek | even though it worked before installing gstreamer1.0-libav | 17:45 |
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| leszek | and even after removing it and deleting the cache still all websites show me html5 audio or video is not supported by your browser | 17:45 |
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| Tekk_` | Is there no way to edit the MMS information on sailfish? Particularly the MCC and MNC, which aren't accessible either through settings or advanced mms settings | 22:30 |
| Tekk_` | I understand it's kept in a db somewhere, but I haven't been able to find out about the location of the db, or what kind of db it is | 22:30 |
| Tekk_` | I opened a bug about this back in January but it's been completely ignored, not that I blame them. US only issue | 22:31 |
| Tekk_` | Well really literally everything about the network settings is wrong, but everything else I've been able to fix | 22:32 |
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