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| arvut | so, how do I get access to dev-tools again? do I reset my jolla or do I need to login as the previous owner of it (different account)? | 08:25 |
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| trusiad | Hi everyone. Just installed a couple of days ago sailfish OS on a ZTE OPEN C. 'pkgcon refresh' complains for a missing ssu. How can I fix that ? If I can... | 13:44 |
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| trusiad | 'authentification failed' is SSU set up correctly, to be accurate | 13:45 |
| Hartzi | My jolla phone did that sometimes. I can't remember how I fixed that.. | 13:45 |
| Hartzi | I think the solutions was found from google | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | trusiad: find porter in #sailfishos-porters | 13:46 |
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| trusiad | ok. | 13:50 |
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| baum | erm question, the patchnotes of Taälojärvi said something about sms support for android apps, however on my device there is only an option to "Allow Android apps to access your contacts"? where can i disallow them access to my sms? | 14:44 |
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| Tegu | baum: I'd like to know that as well. or does it ask before sending? I don't know | 14:48 |
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| baum | glad i'm not the only one :) | 14:49 |
| r0kk3rz | theres an 'enable telephony' changelog entry for dalvik as well | 14:50 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | a-ha, I knew I was right to not update yet :) | 14:50 |
| baum | well other than that the update seems fine | 14:51 |
| * baum is quite a fan of bugfixes | 14:51 | |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | I'm planning to wait and see what people have to say first... | 14:52 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | and more importantly, my uptime is 23 days and 5 hours, and the record is 30 days... so no way I'm rebooting before next week /at least/ | 14:53 |
| r0kk3rz | have to say about what? ive been running it since EA... | 14:53 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: about the update | 14:54 |
| baum | Ccdc_DuckZ: you just made me realize that my computer has a higher uptime than my phone - thanks :P | 14:54 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | baum: :D | 14:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: my point is that the update isnt new | 14:55 |
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| baum | r0kk3rz: well, this makes me wonder even more why there isn't a permission to enable the newly added android stuff? | 14:56 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: ^^ | 14:57 |
| r0kk3rz | baum: make a tjc about it | 15:00 |
| Raim | did you actually try it? for phone calls it will also ask first | 15:00 |
| Raim | but I don't have or even know any Android app that wants to send SMS... | 15:01 |
| baum | i don't use android apps like that - thus i'm not able to try it. I just wanted to make sure that it wouldn't grand android apps random permissions, that's why i asked here | 15:01 |
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| baum | plus, since the option isn't there i was assuming that the app wouldn't ask for a permission - if it did the android support would be pretty inconsistent | 15:03 |
| Raim | well, there is also no option for phone calls... | 15:06 |
| baum | yep, but there is one for allowing access to the contacts - which is odd | 15:07 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | I agree it's inconsistent and I haven't tested any app that tries to send sms or make calls - that said, my guess is that apps can spam api calls to get the phonebook from the system and the user will never know, so programmers can't be bothered to make sure they only access the phonebook once | 15:10 |
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| leszek | baum: the reason is technical I guess. SMS support for android means sending only. So Alien Dalvik will not have access to your SMS on SailfishOS | 15:10 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | and if SF was to ask you for permission everytime, it would just not work for users of such apps | 15:10 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | whereas making calls or sms, I think users will be pretty unhappy if their apps just sent the same sms dozens of times just because signals & slots are mis-connected... so it's reasonable to expect that users won't be asked for sms/call permission 10 times a second | 15:12 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | just my guess | 15:12 |
| baum | leszek: sure it might be more complex, but since the permission system is rather new one would assume that it was built with modularity and support for permissions like the sms one in mind? | 15:13 |
| leszek | baum: as far as I understand you can only control it one way. So what access has Alien Dalvik to the SailfishOS data / components. The other way around won't work | 15:14 |
| baum | leszek: what do you mean by control it one way? didn't they actually implement the support by themselfes but it's properitary? | 15:16 |
| baum | i mean if they did implement it on their own i'm pretty confident that they could controll the access? | 15:17 |
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| leszek | baum: what I mean is that you can control what alien dalvik can have access to on the sailfishos system (like data). But you can't control stuff inside the alien dalvik as it is basically android 4.x and not 5.x or 6.x where you can disable access to specific devices for example | 15:18 |
| baum | leszek: yes, but in the end sailfish is hosting android, not the other way round - thus it could atleast offer some firewall-like functionalitys | 15:19 |
| leszek | of course jolla could add virtual devices somehow that are then only accessible to alien dalvik and routing real devices to them if allowed in settings. But I doubt that they have the manpower to implement that | 15:20 |
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| baum | leszek: why virtual devices? | 15:22 |
| leszek | baum: this is one way of implementing the stuff the easy way. I doubt Jolla has the full sources to Alien Dalvik | 15:23 |
| r0kk3rz | leszek: wouldnt they have to have an ofono -> dalvik bridge anyway? | 15:24 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | the code I'm working on is plain ridiculous.... *any* change to the code requires you to make changes all over the place | 15:25 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | like I'm moving a qt button up within the same window and I had to modify 8 files... | 15:26 |
| baum | would be interesting to know how they integrate dalvik - my guess is that the functionality i was asking for is already there | 15:26 |
| baum | Ccdc_DuckZ: sounds like bad software design - this shouldn't be the case | 15:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | baum: make a tjc about it, it might be planned, it might not | 15:27 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | baum: I'm actively looking for a workplace where people care about code design, so if you know any... I do c++ and linux only | 15:27 |
| baum | Ccdc_DuckZ: any reference projectsß | 15:28 |
| baum | r0kk3rz: will do, just gotta search my account details :) | 15:28 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: yeah might be | 15:29 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | baum: reference projects? | 15:32 |
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| baum | Ccdc_DuckZ: yes, like a github link or something :) | 15:32 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | baum: that would be really great, but I doubt they can pay me... like I also have projects on github, but I can hardly pay anybody asking for more that 200 pounds a month :p | 15:34 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | before tax | 15:34 |
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| nh1402 | which side is the x coordinate on a screen in portrait mode?, the short side or the long side? | 18:49 |
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| coderus | short | 18:51 |
| nh1402 | thanks | 18:52 |
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| f15h | Hello, after the recent update to SF 2.0.1.11 I got problems that may related to the rpm-db or btrfs | 20:52 |
| f15h | "Critical problem with the app registry" | 20:53 |
| f15h | postings on together.jolla.com suggest to (a) rebalance btrfs (or alike) or (b) to run rpm --rebuild | 20:53 |
| f15h | problem is that I have not the developer mode enabled and with a broken package db it is not possible to activate | 20:54 |
| f15h | thus I cannot run devel-su | 20:54 |
| f15h | or is there another way around that problem? | 20:54 |
| tbr | probably recovery | 20:55 |
| f15h | tbr: that would imply loosing data and settings? | 20:55 |
| tbr | no | 20:55 |
| tbr | that would be factory reset through recovery | 20:55 |
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| f15h | tbr: you mean that: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-Jolla-Phone-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- | 20:59 |
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| f15h | when logged in via telnet, choosing option 4 to get a shell where I can do nasty stuff like running rpm as root? | 21:00 |
| tbr | yea | 21:01 |
| cvp | hmm exist #sailfishos-porters ? cant connect :( | 21:01 |
| tbr | yes it does exist | 21:04 |
| f15h | tbr: thanks, I'll try that | 21:04 |
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| cvp | hmmm "#sailfishos-porters :Illegal channel name" | 21:06 |
| cvp | tbr, nice to see you are alive :) | 21:07 |
| Tegu | freeze! you're using illegal channel names! | 21:08 |
| cvp | ok i am in :P | 21:09 |
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