Thursday, 2016-04-28

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r0kk3rzhttp://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/htc-nexus-marlin-sailfish-devices-details/08:21
r0kk3rzcodename sailfish? now thats just mean08:21
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kimmolibut can you put Sailfish in sailfish?08:38
urjamanyo dawg...08:44
urjamansailfish in your sailfish so you can sailfish with sailfish08:45
r0kk3rzit will most likely be 64bit arm08:47
r0kk3rzso no08:47
r0kk3rz:P08:47
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urjamancant you run that like on x64, 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland? :P... but okay if their drivery userland stuff is 64bit then yeah interfacing might be ... complicated08:48
r0kk3rzghosalmartin was trying to do something like that, im not sure if any success was had yet08:49
Krikkewhat's the newest sailfish for N9 ?08:53
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tbrKrikke: the newest is old09:23
tbrhttp://images.devaamo.fi/sfe/n9/09:24
Krikkeoh09:24
Krikkethat's still never than I've got09:24
tbrI thought someone wanted to try for a newer image09:24
Krikkeput in 1.0.2.509:24
Krikkegot to try that one09:25
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zGrrmoin :)09:27
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r0kk3rzKrikke: the newer one is at least post-uitukka so more apps are likely to work10:07
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Krikkeokay10:15
Krikkethat's good to hear10:15
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tortoisedochmhm11:10
tortoisedocis it known where this interrupted incoming call bug is?11:10
tortoisedocin jolla-lipstick or in mer?11:11
tortoisedocand are there any repro steps available?11:11
leszeklast thing I heard of was that it only occured when using LTE (4G)11:11
tortoisedocheh11:12
tortoisedocthat leaves the full stack to look for :P11:12
tortoisedocI wonder if there's a mer bug11:13
tortoisedocor a jolla bug11:13
urjamani'd guess not in any released code11:13
tortoisedocurjaman : yeah that's what im afraid of as well11:13
urjamancould be in jolla-internal-mer-tree even if its in mer11:14
tortoisedocpossibly11:14
tortoisedocbut given jolla takes ofono from mer11:14
Stskeepsurjaman: allmer bits are in git public- the pointers may be different11:15
tortoisedocthat is the only part which could be checked by community devs11:15
tortoisedocStskeeps : which pointers?11:15
urjamansince jolla likes to keep the stuff internal until real release... atleast thats what it has felt like11:15
Stskeepsas in 'which hash'11:15
tortoisedocah yes definitely jolla is pushing to upstream mer as well11:16
Stskeepsurjaman: the dumps are basically just dumps from.mer git11:16
tortoisedocbut most likely not until code is SOLID11:16
tortoisedocexcluding android drivers11:17
tortoisedocwhich we cant do anything about anyways11:17
tortoisedocand call ui11:17
tortoisedocwhich only jolla can take care of11:17
tortoisedocwhat is left to check?11:17
urjamansomebody make a jolla stalker thing :P11:18
tortoisedochuh why jolla11:18
tortoisedocif the bug is not in call-ui11:18
urjaman(essentially an rss of pushes to any mer packages ...)11:18
* leszek wonders if mer and jolla ever applied the little patch to fix the clipboard11:19
tortoisedocfor instance, no point in stalking them :P11:19
tortoisedocleszek : most likely not if you did not push hard11:19
tortoisedocleszek : was it qml patch or lower?11:19
urjamanbut nah, was just a thought ... origin: stalker.openpandora.org :P11:20
leszektortoisedoc: I think I pushed hard by writing to the mailinglist and on each webcat upload with a notice to the harbour guys11:20
tortoisedocleszek : that's hard, did you also persist?11:20
Tegugit push --hard?11:20
tortoisedocpush it goood11:21
leszektortoisedoc: its not qml but cpp but take a look it just one line adding: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01567.html11:21
urjamangit push --harder --yes --persist ...11:21
urjaman :P11:21
tortoisedoclol11:21
tortoisedocleszek : you could submit a mr?11:22
tortoisedocto mer?11:22
leszekyeah clearing the clipboard solves the issue. At least I integrated that code in webcat and it solves the issue completely11:22
tortoisedocI doubt anyone will ever care to pick code from a dusty mail archive11:22
tortoisedocso proactiveness is required11:23
tortoisedoc(anyone but the original author, that is..)11:23
tortoisedoc(at least that's a hope)11:23
leszektortoisedoc: if you know how to proceed from here feel free to do it. I am exhausted when it comes to this. As I am complaining for years already but no one is listening11:23
tortoisedochuh11:23
leszekI contributed to other projects in free software and opensource world. That somehow worked quite fine. But contributing to SailfishOS seems like a endavour11:24
Tegunp: Linkin Park - Nobody's Listening11:24
leszeka hard one11:25
kimmolisledges: ^ ping. could it be time to fix da-clipboard?11:26
urjamani've... well i was about to say i've seen harder places but not sure...11:26
sledgeskimmoli: upvoted tjc ticket? ;)11:26
kimmoliwhich one of those?11:27
sledgesanything you want fixed;)11:27
urjamansledges: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01567.html11:28
tortoisedocurjaman did you persist on pushing  them ? ;)11:28
kimmolii think we promote this one? https://together.jolla.com/question/68537/clipboard-copy-paste-broken-not-getting-updated-at-times/11:29
urjamantried 3 times (with 2y interval) and it took 4 years to get a patch in11:29
tbrtry to locate that thing on the Mer gitlab and see who "owns" it and then hunt them down and make them merge it?11:29
urjamanso i guess i persisted, but didnt push that hard....11:30
sledgeshttp://www.merproject.org/dash/11:30
urjamankimmoli: btw, did my fingerterm stuff get into 2.0.1?11:31
kimmoliΓΆΓΆ11:31
tortoisedochttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/lipstick/merge_requests/3411:31
tortoisedocthere, that was not that hard11:31
urjamanI'm running my own thumbterm so i wouldnt notice actually....11:32
urjamanand i'm running 2.0.0 ....11:32
urjamanhmm...11:32
kimmolitortoisedoc: commit message breaks link.11:32
tortoisedockimmoli : not for me?11:32
kimmoliin gitlab, it splits it ...11:33
tortoisedockimmoli : weird, iceweasel here shows it ok and opens it ok too11:34
tbrand now go pester rainemak to merge it11:34
tortoisedoclol11:34
tortoisedocI am not sure rainemak is the one?11:34
kimmolii think mer bug is needed ...11:34
tortoisedoci think *sledges*  might be more close this time?11:35
rainemaktbr, what's up?11:35
tbrrainemak: there is a MR for lipstick and you touched it last :)11:35
tortoisedocbtw :  <spiiroin> tortoisedoc: in jolla ui11:35
tortoisedocso much for helping then :/11:35
tortoisedoctouched it --hard?11:36
tortoisedockimmoli ah ok now I see ; lets see if i can fix the commit message--11:36
kimmolimet-157511:37
kimmolimer-157511:37
kimmolior this https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157511:37
merbotMer bug 1575 in lipstick "Clipboard gets stuck intermittenly" [Task,New]11:37
rainemaktbr, there are fixes done in sailfish silica and qtwayland regarding clipboard clearing11:38
tbrrainemak: better discuss that with urjaman then11:38
urjamanwat11:39
tbror was it leszek11:39
tortoisedoctbr : not urjaman, leszek :P11:39
urjamanleszek11:39
kimmolihttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/qtwayland/merge_requests/511:39
tortoisedochmm that might be something different?11:39
rainemakand also https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/qtwayland/merge_requests/411:40
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urjamani just helped with links from history :P11:41
tortoisedocokay so the mr is most likely pointless, but I hope it stands the case for pushing MR's :P11:42
tortoisedocon a different topic..11:43
leszekYeah this patch looks like a better one than the one I provided as it solves the underlying problem that I could not find back in the day I was researching this issue: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/qtwayland/commit/de92b081014c70916fe2ac49d743b52f1c96e6b311:43
tortoisedocit amazes me the fact that jolla assumes their users to be that fast to copy/paste to rely on usec resolution :P11:43
leszekthough I am not sure if this is the only problem of the clipboard11:44
urjamanreinventing the 80s....11:46
tortoisedochehe11:46
kimmoliadded all these MR refs to mer bug...11:46
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kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/126892/release-notes-201taalojarvi-early-access/12:10
urjamankimmoli: doesnt look like it12:11
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urjamanthe new fingerterm would be 1.1.17, 2.0.0 has 1.1.16, and detailed changelog has no fingerterm...12:12
urjamanmaybe in 2017 :P12:12
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r0kk3rzwow, 2.0.1.11!12:19
r0kk3rzlongest EA release ever12:19
r0kk3rzsurely we'll get aurajoki straight after, now the call bug is fixed12:23
nodevelI better ask at the mer-meeting, but can anyone test if this (quite critical) bug has been resolved in 2.0.1.11? https://together.jolla.com/question/128155/mobile-data-connection-dies/12:24
nodevelah, I thought mer-meeting was today. never mind then. I'll install and check myself12:26
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r0kk3rz140mb, big for a few security fixes and a call bug fix12:30
kimmoliglibc12:31
r0kk3rz[sailfishapp] Add support for multiple icon sizes.12:32
r0kk3rzsneeeky feature12:32
r0kk3rzupdated maps as well12:33
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kimmolipropably again just some translations12:34
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tortoisedocUPDAAAAAAAAAAATE12:39
tortoisedoc:D12:39
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leszekoh great jolla phones btrfs is showing full even though data used is only 8 GB12:42
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leszekbalancing gui is in a loop12:43
r0kk3rz:D12:43
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r0kk3rzbtrfs, the gift that keeps on giving12:43
leszekbtrfs balance start -dusage=XX is now running but seems to fail on 22 already12:43
leszeknot relocating anything12:43
leszekat least the tablet is loading the update now12:44
tortoisedocbtrfs just proofs again that it does not just sound like an obscenity cause of the word12:44
leszekhehe. normally I don't have any big problems with btrfs. But last time on my 2 years old laptop I also had to plug in an external hd to rebalance as otherwise even dusage=1 failed12:45
leszekI fear I have to do the same with the jolla12:45
tortoisedocis ext3 too much to ask?12:45
tortoisedoc:/12:45
leszekext3 ? ext4 is used on the tablet12:45
tortoisedocext4?12:46
tortoisedocyeah12:46
tortoisedochow comes they chose brtfs12:46
tortoisedocover ext3/4/whatever12:46
leszekI think that runs sane and the snapshotting feature of lvm is also fine on it and prooves it can replace the btrfs stuff12:46
leszektortoisedoc: the filesystem of the future today :)12:46
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leszekI mean btrfs is stable and runs stable as long as you don't put too much data on it12:47
tortoisedocehm12:47
tortoisedocdoesnt that defeat the purpouse?12:47
leszekor if you have unlimited storage capacity like facebook12:47
tortoisedoca file system is supposed to be able to handle data of any ammount12:47
tortoisedoccause it'sa fs?12:47
leszekI wonder if moving stuff onto the sd card might help12:49
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chem|sttortoisedoc: too much data in terms of fill the disk, for that reason ext has a limit implemented so only root can actually fill a disk12:50
chem|stbtrfs has a lot of neat features but only shows its true powers on systems with 2+ SSDs or 2+ physical devices at least12:52
tortoisedochmhm12:52
chem|stand managed right, the btrfs on a Jolla has no shortcoming ever12:53
urjaman|the 3.4 kernel likely isnt helping12:53
chem|stI hit the full rootfs exactly once, learned the lesson and have now almost 2 years no issue!12:53
urjaman(i know it has gotten atleast some fixes but...)12:53
chem|sturjaman: yeah some are not portable12:54
chem|stthe missing kernelupgrade... fcking Q could open up, at least 4 years after a product was released...12:55
urjaman12.77/14.76 Gt, 99% used...12:55
urjamanis my df now ...12:55
urjamanwhich i confusing as hell ...12:55
tortoisedocfeatures of brtfs :P12:56
chem|sttortoisedoc: you hate the world, we all know that by now!12:56
tortoisedocchem|st : now why do you say that!  :D12:56
urjamanwhere'd the 2 Gt go? ... for a moment i thought its just the root-only part, but 2G? ...12:56
chem|sttortoisedoc: if you want you can find negative sides in everything12:56
tortoisedocchem|st : definitely , but please note there was a ":P" appended too12:57
tortoisedocI must say only once brtfs optimization failed me12:57
chem|sttortoisedoc: I know, so think my response with it and you are all good12:58
tortoisedocyup12:58
urjamanbtrfs has failed me once, that was me being fancy & hit disk full during update12:58
chem|sttortoisedoc: and for the record, iPhones become bricks way before the device is full, response times of 10s to minutes12:59
chem|stso does android when the cache is full12:59
tortoisedocchem|st does iphone run ext?12:59
tortoisedocor what do they run?12:59
tortoisedoc(i really do not know btw)12:59
chem|sttortoisedoc: guess that hpfs thing12:59
leszekhpfs+12:59
urjamanmade a snapshot of was it 1.0.9 or smth and tried to update12:59
leszekand that is ancient12:59
chem|stleszek: ancient does not quiet cover it13:00
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r0kk3rzancient, but works13:00
urjamansnapshot made the update use way more than expected...13:00
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urjamanluckily i also dd'd the mmc to pc before the update so i 'just' made a totally new fs...13:01
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urjaman*1.1.913:04
urjamani made that my 'factory' :P (since i anyways have the original stored elsewhere...)13:04
urjamanbut this made me think, i suppose the phone would be fine with single ext4 at / ? (yeah recovery to factory wouldnt work and maybe it'd need some boot param...)13:07
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nodeveljust installed 2.0.1.11 and it works fine. but the critical internet connection bug apparently hasn't been fixed, so 4G is still virtually unusable on Jolla (since 2.0.1.7)13:11
kimmolinodevel: 4G works for me, so it must be kinda specific case?13:11
r0kk3rzworks for me too13:12
tortoisedocnic13:12
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tortoisedoc*nice13:12
tortoisedocnodevel : same here, 4G works fine13:13
nodevelkimmoli, tortoisedoc: it is mostly about probability. for some people, even 3G is crashing. in my case, 3G is ~10% likely to crash, for 4G it is almost 90%. I have observed this independently on two devices.13:15
nodevelcould be a provider related, but it has been definitely introduced with the 2.0.1.7 update13:16
tortoisedocnodevel : can you test with different provider?13:17
tortoisedochmm13:18
tortoisedocnotes app rendering bug is still there13:18
kimmolii have mobile crashes, need to switch flightmode or reboot to resurrect. but those have been from day0, and they are related physical location13:18
tortoisedoc(rendering note with alot of text, for instance >100kb)13:18
tortoisedocrainemak : is there anyone following qtwayland on jolla's side nowadays?13:19
nodeveltortoisedoc: not in the near future (I could have a chance in a week or so), but according to TMO and TJC, there are at least ~20 more people experiencing this and they are unlikely on the same provider as me (not even the same country)13:19
tortoisedocjournalctl ?13:20
tortoisedocnodevel: journalctl?13:20
tortoisedocany hint there?13:20
nodevelkimmoli: in my case, mobile crashes had been a thing for about first 6 months after Jolla release, but not on the same scale as with 2.0.1.713:20
nodeveltortoisedoc: will check13:20
tortoisedocrainemak : I have an interesting behaviour with a test app on wayland13:25
rainemakandrew would be best guy to help13:29
urjamanof the changelog, i'd be mostly suspicious of the connman updates (otoh: connmanctl yay)13:30
urjamangitlab isnt the best to browse on mobile btw13:30
urjamanhas that huge sidebar wasting sideways space from the diff you want to look at...13:32
nodeveltortoisedoc: checked journalctl, narrowed it down to cca 50 lines of log, but nothing that would indicate what's the problem13:33
nodevelthis line looks like the prime suspect:13:33
nodevelApr 28 15:08:46 Jolla ofonod[739]: g_ril_reply_parse_data_call: Invalid type(protocol) specified:13:33
tortoisedocrainemak : thanks13:33
tortoisedocrainemak : andrew shenton=13:34
tortoisedoc?13:34
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tortoisedochmm13:34
nodeveltortoisedoc: just tried again and when I try connecting to internet on 4G, journalctl does not log anything related, even though the connection fails. note that this has been working fine before 2.0.1.713:39
tortoisedocjournalctl is silent?13:39
tortoisedocweird13:39
nodevelunfortunately13:40
tortoisedocI'd guess some more debugging info should be enabled...13:40
tortoisedocbut i cant help with that unfortunately :/13:40
nodevelthanks nevertheless!13:40
nodeveli'll try to bring it up on the next mer meeting, so it could be at least investigated internally (or some debugging advice could be given). TJC doesn't seem to get much attention recently13:41
tortoisedocyeah13:42
tortoisedoci guess perhaps also in #mer you might have more of a chance to get some info13:43
nodevelfair point. thanks13:43
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nodeveljust remembered I actually did try it on different providers (Czech, German) in completely different locations and the bug occurred on both14:18
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chem|stnodevel: tjc bugreport it - that is not a community-devel topic (that is what the meeting is actually for)14:25
urjamanits already in tjc14:26
chem|stnodevel: sry so used to not say please (I am ordering around people alot lately)14:26
chem|sturjaman: does it have a jolla tracked banner?14:27
urjamanyou dont seem to get much done w/ tjc...14:27
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nodevelchem|st: no problem :) no, it does not have the banner. https://together.jolla.com/question/128155/bug-mobile-data-connection-dies-since-201x/14:27
nodevelchem|st: tjc used to be really useful, but it has become really stale. i would not dare to bring up minor bugs or feature requests on the mer meeting, but this bug looks like something that should be looked into before the final release14:29
nodevelchem|st: since it was introduced in the early access release (2.0.1.7) and therefore it hasn't hit the public yet on stable releases14:30
urjamanhalf of me is hoping they'll just push the release anyways14:31
urjamanwe'd get a good bunch of unassuming 'beta' testers14:31
urjamanbut that'd be a little evil :P14:32
nodevelurjaman: just a little :)14:32
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urjamanOTOH the release is already very late...14:33
nodeveltrue. but if this bug is not vendor specific (Jolla), it could hurt the Intex release too14:34
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nodevelto be honest, I got used to using 3G instead (where the bug does not happen that often), so I can live with it for some time. but the purpose of early access releases is to find these bugs, so I hope it will get some visibility14:38
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urjamanyeah i'm currently with 2.0.0 because i've got it patched enough :P and i've heard first of the call bug and now this...14:41
urjamanand like i like 4G and being able to get calls :P14:42
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nodevelurjaman: yeah, it's interesting, though - I never came across the call bug and some people never came across this bug. so there's some chance you will be lucky :)14:43
urjamanbut i guess i'd be one of the 'beta' testers some time after release anyways14:44
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urjamanrunning older than 'stable' would be eww14:44
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urjaman(wait for the >10 patches to also update and go :P, though i guess lots already have been...)14:46
nodeveltrue. i actually found one additional critical bug on 2.0.1.7 - all contacts' (not synced, local) numbers were cut to 6 digits (or replaced by 6 random digits). but I wasn't able to reproduce it and figure out the case, so didn't report it14:46
nodevelfew months of contacts lost... so a good motivation to backup more often :)14:47
urjamani backup the whole phone on updates14:47
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urjaman*before14:48
nodevelsame here. it wasn't my phone, though, so I wasn't the one updating14:48
urjamanah...14:48
nodevelalso it did not happed at once, the numbers were replaced gradually over few weeks. weird14:50
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urjamanmy only guess would be corrupt db, but how so specific 6 digits..14:52
chem|stnodevel: was that with .7 or .11 (contacts?)14:52
nodevel.714:53
nodevelchem|st: .714:53
chem|sturjaman: iirc it isn't the number shown but some other db value, my contacts did still work even with showing the odd number14:53
nodevelchem|st: i don't remember correctly, but this could have been the case. it was weird. however, in the backup file, all numbers were lost14:54
nodevelhowever, I did not see it mentioned anywhere else, so I supposed it was an isolated incident. only cleaning the db fixed it. backup restoration did not work14:55
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nodevelchem|st: it definitely was the right (phone number) value it the resulting backup vcf file - all numbers there had 6 digits.14:59
nodevelstill have the vcf file here (looking at it right now), but i'm not comfortable sharing it as those are not my contacts and the 6 digits seem to be parts of real phone numbers15:01
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urjamanstart/end/middle/random? ...15:03
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nodevelurjaman: just checked it against an older backup and they seem to be random, most (if not all) of them starting with 1, 2 or 3. so probably not parts of real phone numbers15:05
nodevelurjaman: they do not seem to be corresponding to the real phone numbers now that I'm looking at it15:06
chem|stnodevel: ok that is then another issue (I did have some alike too once)15:15
leszekthere isn't a changelog from 2.0.1.7 to 2.0.1.11 or a diff in tjc that I can take a look at what changed from this to that ?15:18
chem|stleszek: scroll the release notes15:22
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leszekchem|st: so manually scrolling ? Hmm...pff15:49
leszekI don't have all the changes memorized though15:50
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urjamanis it possible to launch >1 sailfish browsers?16:33
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urjamansingle one is a bit multitasking-limited with the tab freezing/unloading...16:34
urjamani btw googled for '--help' when trying to figure if it takes anything useful....16:35
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kimmoliurjaman: try to look in .desktop16:59
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TheRealJohnGalturjaman: or use a browser that has true multi tasking for tabs. I believe both web pirate and webcat would foot the bill.20:47
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tilldoes anyone have a recent image file of /dev/mmcblk0p28? the last update went really wrong :/22:28
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