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| Peye | When will the new Sailfish OS website be up? | 00:07 |
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| coderus | remarc lol | 07:22 |
| urjaman | huh? | 07:23 |
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| tortoisedoc | seems latest update locks ssh at boot time? | 10:37 |
| coderus | locks? | 10:43 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : cant access via ssh during boot time as dev mode is not enabled? | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | (i guess) | 10:56 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: install usb-moded-systemd-rescue-mode | 10:58 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : thanks | 10:59 |
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| zGrr | moin | 11:43 |
| aimless | How can I set a list (property var mylist: ["menu1", "menu2", "menu3"]) as combobox contextmenu? I tried with: ComboBox { .. menu: ContextMenu { .. SilicaListView { delegate: Menuitem { text: mylist }}}}... but with no success - unfortunately | 11:45 |
| aimless | any other ideas? | 11:46 |
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| kimmoli | aimless: use Repeater { model: list; delegate: Menuite.. or something | 11:59 |
| aimless | ah, ok. | 11:59 |
| aimless | I'll try it. | 11:59 |
| kimmoli | MenuItem { text: mylist[index] or something | 12:02 |
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| aimless | yes, that was it. | 12:03 |
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| aimless | thank you a lot! | 12:04 |
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| svip | Is it possible to make DuckDuckGo the standard search engine for Browser? | 12:46 |
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| coderus | svip: easy | 12:49 |
| svip | How! | 12:49 |
| svip | There are only four search engines to choose from and there is no obvious way to add more. | 12:50 |
| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/search-engines-sailfish-browser | 12:51 |
| svip | Wait. How do I download this for my phone? | 12:51 |
| coderus | open in browser and click on latest version file | 12:52 |
| coderus | or install warehouse and learn to use repositories ;) | 12:52 |
| coderus | make sure you have allowed installation from untrusted sources on in settings | 12:53 |
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| svip | coderus: Neat. | 12:55 |
| svip | Do I have to restart the browser app for it to take effect? | 12:55 |
| svip | Also! Is it possible to configure the browser to open a new tab instead of overwriting the current tab when you open an URL from a different app (say SMS or terminal). | 12:56 |
| coderus | svip: yes you need to restart browser | 12:58 |
| svip | Hurray. | 12:59 |
| svip | coderus: Thank you. | 12:59 |
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| coderus | and not yet about tabs, maybe in sfos 2.0.4 or 2.0.5 (see https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/commit/3fe19d4a7d7b38da4f1d2c181d9efaa61b5cb838 for manual fix) | 13:00 |
| svip | Ooh. | 13:01 |
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| pavi | svip: Think about installing warehouse. It has many such neat tricks and patches | 13:49 |
| pavi | svip: long long back there was a blog called Jolla tides, they wrote a nice how to http://www.jollatides.com/2014/01/08/tutorial-how-to-download-beta-apps-from-openrepos/ | 13:50 |
| tortoisedoc | pavi : watch your steps with the patches tho | 13:51 |
| tortoisedoc | they might be painful | 13:51 |
| pavi | tortoisedoc: not for me , but for svip who might be in 2.x . I am happily on 1.x with no patches :P | 13:51 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 13:52 |
| tortoisedoc | pavi : hardcore fan? :D | 13:52 |
| pavi | tortoisedoc: fan of UI ? maybe a bit but I just dont want to mess a working phone. Had enough experiences messing around with laptops/desktops breaking stuff. | 13:53 |
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| pavi | Been through RPM hell of those days ;) | 13:53 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | pavi: get with the times man :P | 13:54 |
| pavi | r0kk3rz: I am waiting for a 2.1.0 release. I will upgrade it then. I am just being cautious. I also run debian stable. At same time I also run debian unstable on another partition. With Jolla we dont have that choice or freedom | 13:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah, you'd need two phones | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | or you know, one of those tablet things | 13:59 |
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| pavi | r0kk3rz: actually I tried sfos 1.x on Sony xperia mini pro, Should try the 2.x from mal- . Last time I tried it didnt install (1.19.x version) | 14:01 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah good point | 14:02 |
| r0kk3rz | generally i would consider it mostly about as stable as 1.x | 14:02 |
| r0kk3rz | except for this one bug that locks up the device that i need to track down | 14:03 |
| pavi | r0kk3rz: lets hope the intex phone releases with 2.1.x or some very stable version | 14:05 |
| pavi | The price is awesome and it will definitely sell in India | 14:05 |
| locusf | 90e is quite very nice | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | pavi: they're demoing it with 2.0.2 | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | so i would expect it will come with that or some future release | 14:06 |
| pavi | r0kk3rz: the last I know the sale is on may , we still have some time | 14:06 |
| pavi | Maybe once the Indians start making noise in TJC then probably we get attention on some very needed stuff ;) | 14:07 |
| pavi | and all that might get bundled on 2.1 (hopefully) | 14:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | i fear its not a case of noise level | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | but jolla sailors | 14:08 |
| chem|st | locusf: 90eur? | 14:09 |
| pavi | r0kk3rz: you are going to hear a complete new noise level. My fellow country men fight a lot in forums and english is the language they use every day. :P | 14:10 |
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| chem|st | pavi: and I will hunt everyone down that increases noise lvl, together is no forum nor chipchat | 14:11 |
| pavi | chem|st: yes 90 euros in Indian rupees 7000 , it was supposed to be 10000 but looks like manufacturing costs in china came down a lot | 14:12 |
| chem|st | pavi: and we should all work together(tm) to have it as productive as possible | 14:12 |
| chem|st | pavi: nice, well at taxes and CE and you have 160eur for European markets | 14:13 |
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| pavi | chem|st: also remember that India has lot of "software people". They are main target buyers | 14:13 |
| chem|st | s/at/add/ | 14:13 |
| chem|st | pavi: so I should add aquafish to tmo I guess | 14:14 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: brace for the duplicate wave of the century i think | 14:15 |
| chem|st | but in the end sfos is device-independant | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: and the everything-including-kitchen-sink-wishlist posts | 14:15 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: yeah that is what I fear, the tablet news attention got lots of new jPhone buys too and most of 2013 bugreports and feature requests got duplicates in 2015 | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | mmhmm | 14:16 |
| chem|st | I think I need a different backend if that is getting hot on tjc | 14:16 |
| pavi | chem|st: ofcourse if there are any hardware specific discussions. It doesnt have a OTOH I guess | 14:16 |
| chem|st | pavi: OTOH`? | 14:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | TOH | 14:17 |
| chem|st | pavi: would not bet on it, the prototype had the pins iirc | 14:17 |
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| pavi | oops typo. ohh so there are pins, interesting and if intex can sell accessories , OMG cant imagine its going to be a big hit. | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | most phones have charging pins | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | well, not any more, but it was common on phones with removable backs | 14:20 |
| pavi | Intex can do what Jolla was unable to do aka run a store and manage it. Intex can make the other halfs very affordable and probably sell in a bigger scale. | 14:21 |
| chem|st | pavi: hmm reviewjolla says no TOH pins :/ | 14:21 |
| pavi | Its all wishful thinking before the price was announced. | 14:21 |
| pavi | chem|st: sad :( | 14:21 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: I do not understand where the problem is to add Qi to phones per default, it is 50c hardware | 14:22 |
| chem|st | get rid of the µUSB for good | 14:23 |
| locusf | sure 50c | 14:24 |
| locusf | x100000 | 14:24 |
| chem|st | locusf: 50c if I build one by hand! | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | not counting your own labour costs, then sure! | 14:25 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: well as that is machined no I do not count that | 14:26 |
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| madhusudan | redmi1s whatsup or makaluulu cannot connect to whatsapp error comes server rejected connection | 14:30 |
| madhusudan | redmi1s android apps cannot install | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | madhusudan: ports have no dalvik, so no you cant install android apps | 14:31 |
| madhusudan | so what isanother option | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | ...there isnt one | 14:32 |
| madhusudan | redmi1s double tapp is working but if device is in pocket then it starts | 14:33 |
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| pavi | madhusudan: sadly just notice the fact that Whatsapp intentionally is blocking these apps which these cool devs have worked hard to bring them to SFOS. Do you really want to use and support such a platform? | 14:34 |
| r0kk3rz | madhusudan: probably best to talk about this in #sailfishos-porters | 14:34 |
| M4rtinK | pavi: +1 | 14:37 |
| M4rtinK | pavi: I really don't get why people so much want to use something that toxic | 14:38 |
| M4rtinK | pavi: really, even the "all my friends are using it" is no valid argument for something that bad | 14:38 |
| r0kk3rz | because the majority of users arent affected by it | 14:38 |
| r0kk3rz | because they're on android, and use the official whatsappTM client | 14:39 |
| pavi | M4rtinK: I just tell people. The most I can compromise is by using telegram. If you want to talk with me or involve me in a group, please do so in telegram | 14:39 |
| M4rtinK | well, that's hardly the single issue Whatsapp & co have | 14:40 |
| M4rtinK | but what I am trying to say that people who have a clue have no excuse for using Whatsapp | 14:40 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, Telegram is probably the least bad of them, at least at the moment | 14:40 |
| pavi | I agree. There is "Network Effect" dragging them in | 14:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | well tbh at least matrix is doing the whole interoperabillity thing | 14:41 |
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| pavi | M4rtinK: As soon as I mention Telegram in diaspora there is a army of textsecure/chatsecure/signal fans who come and blast me off. | 14:42 |
| M4rtinK | heh | 14:43 |
| M4rtinK | aren't they all still centralized ? | 14:43 |
| M4rtinK | even if at least encrypted | 14:43 |
| r0kk3rz | matrix isnt | 14:44 |
| r0kk3rz | its federated | 14:44 |
| M4rtinK | if they said Tox or something else that is not centralized they would have a point :) | 14:44 |
| M4rtinK | don't know much about Matrix yet (even though I got a Matrix sticker on FOSDEM last year) | 14:44 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: its XMPP rebuilt with web-stuff | 14:45 |
| r0kk3rz | in a nutshell | 14:45 |
| M4rtinK | well, why not | 14:45 |
| M4rtinK | still thinking we can do better than federation | 14:45 |
| M4rtinK | even though federation certainly makes implementation easier than full decentralization | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | with ipfs full distributedness becomes a lot easier | 14:46 |
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| M4rtinK | yep | 14:47 |
| r0kk3rz | but imho federation isnt a step backwards like fully centralised things like signal/telegram/whatsapp/whatever | 14:50 |
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| M4rtinK | sure | 15:05 |
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| M4rtinK | if you are having problems with balance never finishing on your Jolla | 15:15 |
| M4rtinK | presumably due to not enough/overfilled metadata blocks | 15:15 |
| M4rtinK | consider deleting the ~/.cache/.nemothumbs folder | 15:16 |
| M4rtinK | had 24 *thousand* files inside in my case | 15:16 |
| M4rtinK | I guess that could be a problem with the btrfs per-file metadata | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 15:18 |
| r0kk3rz | that has all the pictures that ever was on your jphone | 15:18 |
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| M4rtinK | so also a privacy & security issue, yay! :) | 15:45 |
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| coderus | still nice to see N9 in ssu help output :D | 18:20 |
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| GreatSUN | hi all | 19:04 |
| GreatSUN | can you tell me if there is any hardware out with sailfish os (as standard os) that has a display size around 5.5 inches? | 19:05 |
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| nh1402 | not as a standard OS, no | 19:10 |
| GreatSUN | is there any other hardware sold with sailfish os than only the phones from jolla up to date? | 19:11 |
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| nh1402 | can you rephrase that, I don't understand | 19:14 |
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| leszek | GreatSUN: atm. there is only the jolla phone. Intex is bringing out a phone with 5inch in april/may this year. Though only available in india | 19:14 |
| GreatSUN | leszek: do you know some pricing? | 19:15 |
| nh1402 | I believe all active ports are also up to date | 19:15 |
| nh1402 | but I could be wrong on that. | 19:15 |
| leszek | GreatSUN: see: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2016/02/intex-aqua-fish-smartphone-specs.html | 19:15 |
| leszek | yeah nh1402 is right. There are also ports available for various android phones | 19:15 |
| GreatSUN | nh1402: just asking if there is any other phone delivered than the one from jolla and the planned turing phone | 19:15 |
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| GreatSUN | I am thinking about putting sailfish os phones into an approval set in our company | 19:16 |
| GreatSUN | to make them avail as alternative to apple | 19:16 |
| GreatSUN | as android is said not to be acceptable anymore due to data security reasons | 19:16 |
| nh1402 | GreatSUN: They have an MWC press event tomorrow they could announce something then | 19:16 |
| GreatSUN | (I wonder why apple is still accepted btw :D) | 19:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | GreatSUN: out of interest, why do you think sailfish is more secure than android? | 19:17 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: Google probably use personal information for Advertising purposes, Jolla do not. | 19:18 |
| nh1402 | but that's not really security | 19:18 |
| nh1402 | more privacy | 19:18 |
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| nh1402 | security of personal space | 19:18 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: i can think of reasons, im just curious as to what other people think | 19:19 |
| r0kk3rz | as its not really that clear cut on X > Y, its a bit of a trade off | 19:19 |
| GreatSUN | well it's basically about data security or privacy | 19:20 |
| GreatSUN | as however you want to call it | 19:20 |
| GreatSUN | I would name it privacy in private terms | 19:20 |
| GreatSUN | but data security in business terms | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | GreatSUN: is there a particular feature you think sailfish has? or is it just a 'do not trust google' | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | because as a general 'is this phones data secure from theft' i would say android has a lot more features in that regard | 19:22 |
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| GreatSUN | r0kk3rz: it is about the rules you have to accept with android as a company | 19:24 |
| GreatSUN | they have a sentence in there that says they want to be allowed to give away your data | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | and i guess running something like cyanogenmod is not really viable for a business | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | so you're stuck with the full goog experience | 19:27 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: there is Cyanogen OS | 19:28 |
| GreatSUN | right | 19:28 |
| nh1402 | cyanogenmod being the custom rom for rooted devices, and Cyanogen OS for OEMS | 19:29 |
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| GreatSUN | nh1402: so which smartphones do have cyanogen as default os? | 19:30 |
| GreatSUN | I mean, maybe we "just" have to wait for the turing phone | 19:31 |
| GreatSUN | but maybe there are also more alternatives | 19:31 |
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| nh1402 | that I don't remember, Oneplus One had it, but they had a falling out, the company behind Cyanogen got so self absorbed, egotistical (whats the right word?) and dropped support | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | i think there are some | 19:33 |
| nh1402 | there are more yes. | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | i mean they just showed a bunch of stuff at mwc | 19:34 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: what's the right word | 19:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | GreatSUN: is Ubuntu Touch on your radar also? | 19:35 |
| GreatSUN | why not? | 19:35 |
| nh1402 | good grief, don't torture your employee/collegues with that, the UI is terrible (imo) | 19:35 |
| GreatSUN | anything else than bitten apples or flying windows | 19:36 |
| GreatSUN | nh1402: that is something that can be changed basically ;-) | 19:36 |
| nh1402 | greatSUN: the form of torture? | 19:36 |
| nh1402 | or UI? | 19:36 |
| GreatSUN | what I liked about ubuntu mobile was the connectivity to a monitor or such | 19:36 |
| GreatSUN | nh1402: UI | 19:37 |
| GreatSUN | it's basically not my employees | 19:37 |
| nh1402 | GreatSUN: there are also Tizen phones | 19:37 |
| GreatSUN | but I don't want bitten apples | 19:37 |
| GreatSUN | :D | 19:37 |
| nh1402 | I would say to wait for the Turing phone | 19:40 |
| GreatSUN | looks a little like android | 19:40 |
| nh1402 | Fairphone might switch to Sailfish, we'll see what Jolla have to say tomorrow | 19:40 |
| GreatSUN | that would be a nice thing | 19:40 |
| GreatSUN | but it didn't sound like it would get true | 19:41 |
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| nh1402 | yes, rumours have been swirling for a year now | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: switch? no there is no switch | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: provide option in addition, quite probably | 19:41 |
| nh1402 | can they afford to have both? | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: that seems to be what they want | 19:42 |
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| nh1402 | if that's what they want then power to them | 19:42 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: back to more pressing matters, what's the word I'm thinking of. In regards to Cyanogen | 19:43 |
| nh1402 | or not thinking of rather | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | i can think of phrases, but maybe not words | 19:44 |
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| nh1402 | it's really bothering me that I can't think of the damn word | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | they really did kind of implode with that oneplus agreement | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | over silly things like who can sell a cyanogen phone in india | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | was probably mostly hubris | 19:46 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: narcissistic? | 19:47 |
| nh1402 | vain | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | those are words similar to the other words you used yes | 19:48 |
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| GreatSUN | someone of you guys heard from flyme? | 19:51 |
| GreatSUN | looks like there are a lot of "cheap" phones out there with flyme on | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | i think its another android fork | 19:52 |
| GreatSUN | right | 19:52 |
| nh1402 | isn't that a chinese android fork? | 19:52 |
| GreatSUN | looks more like a company in UK | 19:54 |
| GreatSUN | no, you're right | 19:54 |
| GreatSUN | it's from hong kong | 19:55 |
| GreatSUN | but I just found a solution for the basic problems | 19:55 |
| GreatSUN | :D | 19:55 |
| GreatSUN | looks like the basic thing about it is just how can we properly manage devices with android/IOS | 19:56 |
| GreatSUN | the answer could be http://www.2x.com/mdm/mobile-device-management/ | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah im sure there are toolkits around that | 19:56 |
| GreatSUN | maybe that is a point where I can put my finger on | 19:56 |
| GreatSUN | :D | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | im surprised that winblows arent pushing their enterprise market harder | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe with the new phone os | 19:57 |
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| GreatSUN | lets see | 20:00 |
| GreatSUN | I will stop for today | 20:00 |
| GreatSUN | go and watch another episode of star trek voyager | 20:01 |
| GreatSUN | hence I haven't seen all of them and at amazon prime they are for free :D | 20:01 |
| GreatSUN | bye for today | 20:01 |
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| Peye | Fairphoe running Sailfish OS :) | 22:05 |
| Peye | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb7dMCbW0AErL_X.jpg:large | 22:05 |
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| Smar | o/ | 22:08 |
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| Peye | More info tomorrow: https://twitter.com/JollaUsers | 22:10 |
| raa700 | i keep throwing money on the screen but nothing happens | 22:10 |
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| Peye | Does anyone know when we can get Sailfish OS 2.0.2.390? | 22:13 |
| Peye | As it seems to be running on the Intex phones on MWC 16 | 22:13 |
| taaem | Peye: probably soonTM | 22:14 |
| Peye | Haha... Yeah, Jolla should really TM that 'soon' | 22:15 |
| Peye | The overused it too many times ;) | 22:15 |
| chem|st | raa700: I know that feeling | 22:16 |
| chem|st | Peye: we do not even have 2.0.1 released... and I guess that is a developer build, the number is quiet high for an RC | 22:18 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla also have a history of doing demo builds | 22:19 |
| r0kk3rz | which makes sense for things like mwc where people get to play with the device | 22:19 |
| Peye | Hope they will put the redesigned https://sailfishos.org live soon... Promised to be there before MWC 16... Waiting now... | 22:20 |
| Peye | All hopes on tomorrow... | 22:21 |
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| Peye | Expect more by tomorrow… 😉 @Fairphone, @JollaHQ #SailfishOS #FairPhone #Jolla pic.twitter.com/eCDYYQQeWA | 22:22 |
| Peye | @reviewjolla @JollaHQ tomorrow, you mean 😉 — Harri Hakulinen | 22:22 |
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