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| Sailor7009 | hello everybody | 06:26 |
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| Sailor7009 | hope you doing well | 06:26 |
| Sailor7009 | how can I have arabic keyboard on my jolla? | 06:27 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: install from openrepos/warehouse | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 08:07 |
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| Hartzi | seems a tab auto fill fail | 08:08 |
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| sledges | otwieracz: check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--OtwvH4ARU | 09:38 |
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| otwieracz | sledges: awesome! | 10:25 |
| otwieracz | sledges: what are cons? | 10:25 |
| sledges | otwieracz: alpha:) but anyone's welcome to join the effort | 10:27 |
| sledges | and it's quite a beta-ish alpha since the time i made that video:) | 10:27 |
| otwieracz | What about, I dont know, performance? Battery usage? | 10:27 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | what are you guys chatting about? | 10:28 |
| otwieracz | sfdroid | 10:30 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | hmm is it like android running in a VM? on the phone? | 10:31 |
| sledges | otwieracz: ask nh1402 and krnlyng on #apkenv on latest state:) performance was a bit stuttery, and battery usage was horrible at the making of that video, due to system_server consuming 99% CPU, but they say they fixed it | 10:33 |
| otwieracz | Because I am just guessing if using stuff like GPS maps. | 10:33 |
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| otwieracz | Or I'll have to buy 4A charger ;-) | 10:34 |
| sledges | Ccdc_DuckZ: non official sailfish os ports on android devices need cyangenmod to be flashed first. and then sailfish os on top. sfdroid simply tells to the "native" rom to continue booting to its UI and just redirecting to a sfos app window:) | 10:34 |
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| sledges | otwieracz: it won't impact performance, because half of that android is anyhow already running when you run a gps app on sailfish os on nexus 5 for example | 10:34 |
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| sledges | Ccdc_DuckZ: 11:38 < sledges> otwieracz: check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--OtwvH4ARU | 10:35 |
| otwieracz | BTW, I've heard about SFOS 2 for Nexus. | 10:35 |
| otwieracz | 5. | 10:35 |
| otwieracz | How, where? | 10:35 |
| otwieracz | http://images.devaamo.fi/sfa/hammerhead/ – I see 1.1.9.28 at most here | 10:36 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | I can't watch the video, but it sounds cool! | 10:36 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | (not as cool as jboy, but that's been stealing the scene from everybody...) | 10:36 |
| otwieracz | BTW, the guide is a bit weird. | 10:38 |
| otwieracz | or maybe already got it :) | 10:38 |
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| sledges | otwieracz: you can OTA to 2.0 | 10:47 |
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| otwieracz | Hmm. | 11:05 |
| otwieracz | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_hammerhead#WIP_Over-the-Air_updates_.28OTA.29 I've followed this | 11:05 |
| otwieracz | And still only 1.1.9.28 in OTA | 11:05 |
| leszek | otwieracz: after reboot did you do a version --dup again ? | 11:06 |
| otwieracz | No. | 11:07 |
| otwieracz | I will. | 11:07 |
| leszek | otwieracz: also I think on my device I used zypper dup to actually upgrade as far as I can remember | 11:07 |
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| otwieracz | Now its upgrading. | 11:15 |
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| ghosalmartin | so...whatd you guys think of TDD | 11:16 |
| leszek | TDD? | 11:21 |
| stephg | test driven development? | 11:21 |
| leszek | I kind of have a dejavu now : | 11:21 |
| leszek | :P | 11:21 |
| otwieracz | 2.0, woo hoo | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | ghosalmartin: i think development methodologies only matter when you have large teams of sub-par coders | 11:23 |
| leszek | otwieracz: I don't want to sadden you but. 2.0 and I think 1.9 also had it. A bug in the sensors (either driver or services) that lead to a increase in the sensor services cpu usage. Even if you turn of the screen | 11:23 |
| leszek | that leads to a very short battery life | 11:23 |
| otwieracz | on N5? | 11:24 |
| leszek | yeah | 11:24 |
| otwieracz | very short you mean what hours? | 11:24 |
| leszek | so with android in standby I have appr. 5 days of battery life | 11:24 |
| leszek | on SailfishOS 1 day | 11:24 |
| leszek | I could restart the sensor services to make the battery life longer. Though they randomly can start eat up cpu again. So its not an reliable way | 11:25 |
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| ghosalmartin | does anyone even use sensors :P | 11:57 |
| ghosalmartin | r0kk3rz: when i have to write code thats testable, it seems easier | 11:57 |
| r0kk3rz | ghosalmartin: or is it just a mind hack to get you to think about what you're doing before you do it? | 11:59 |
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| ghosalmartin | r0kk3rz: pretty much is | 12:14 |
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| sledges | leszek: otwieracz: there is a cure for sensors battery drain being considered, please help to test too :) https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837#c40 | 12:27 |
| merbot | Nemo bug 837 in Hybris-ing "[hammerhead][alpha12] Bad battery life caused by sensors" [Critical,New] | 12:27 |
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| leszek | sledges: thats a workaround but no solution to the actual bug. And nope I don't feel compiling psutil | 12:29 |
| leszek | *feel like | 12:29 |
| sledges | better than nothing for a showstopper | 12:30 |
| sledges | anyhow, dwangoAC has compiled, we'll see his tests, and then integrate in an image | 12:31 |
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| otwieracz | Are there any plans for abandoning Jolla Phone soon? | 16:04 |
| otwieracz | I mean, does buying Jolla Phone makes sense now? | 16:04 |
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| coderus | well, jolla have no any other official released phone, so | 16:04 |
| coderus | but yes, maybe wait for mwc or so | 16:05 |
| otwieracz | What is „mwc„? | 16:05 |
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| stephg | otwieracz: https://www.mobileworldcongress.com/ | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | otwieracz: doubt it'd be abandoned anytime soon, it's really hard to break hw adaptations | 16:06 |
| otwieracz | Are there any other sailfish phones? | 16:08 |
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| tbr | except if you mandate new systemd, which mandates newer kernel, which makes your device a left behind paper weight | 16:09 |
| tbr | (just as an example) | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, that part reaally sucks | 16:09 |
| tbr | or your EGL driver suddenly aren't good enough | 16:09 |
| leszek | hmm... I kind of have a laggy scrolling experience when using qtbwekit / webview. Is there a possibility to disable the quickscroll to see if it is this causing it. I tested that on the Jolla and Nexus 5. Jolla it isn't so much seeable but on the Nexus 5 definitely. I hope its no limitation of the webview (which is btw. vulnerable to almost everything that was reveealed the last year) | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | leszek: more pixes to push around | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | l | 16:24 |
| coderus | otwieracz: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 16:24 |
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| leszek | Stskeeps: yeah. But what could be the reason. When I compare it to the native sailfish-browser which is butterly smooth I am kind of scratching my head. It can't be a graphics card issue. Must be something else. Either its the overlay which uses transparency effects or its really a general issue of webview | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | leszek: GPU composition | 16:25 |
| leszek | Stskeeps: so nothing I could do from an app developer perspective ? (Its basically a driver issue ?) | 16:26 |
| coderus | leszek: gecko in sailfish browser is heavily gpu optimized | 16:27 |
| leszek | ah and webview isn't and can't be made without editing the source of qtwebkit ? | 16:28 |
| coderus | sources of qt | 16:28 |
| coderus | i dont think webview have some separate gpu optimizations | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | qtwebkit is old :/ | 16:29 |
| leszek | hmm... too bad. Then I think I have to pull my browser from the store. Its stuttering on scrolling on pretty much everything else then the jolla. And all the vulnerabilites aren't fixed and won't get fixed as it seems | 16:30 |
| coderus | compile webview from 5.5 yourself? :FD | 16:30 |
| leszek | hmm... yeah that would be a possibility. But can it be cross compiled. The last time I tried cross compiling something it crashed during make basically. And I don't want to use the jolla or nexus 5 to compile such a thing :P | 16:31 |
| coderus | leszek: you dont have pc and sdk? | 16:32 |
| leszek | I have the sdk and a pc :) | 16:32 |
| coderus | what the problem then? | 16:32 |
| leszek | it crashes on compiling | 16:33 |
| coderus | ok | 16:33 |
| coderus | this can't be solved i think | 16:33 |
| leszek | too bad | 16:33 |
| coderus | you can try to invest in chromium then | 16:33 |
| leszek | hmm... did not hear anything after the first demo of a test browser though. | 16:34 |
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| coderus | so? | 16:34 |
| coderus | i thought you developing browser | 16:35 |
| otwieracz | coderus: I mean, with native Sailfish. | 16:35 |
| otwieracz | And proper Android „emulation”. | 16:35 |
| coderus | otwieracz: you need official support then | 16:36 |
| coderus | wait for intex aqua | 16:36 |
| leszek | coderus: I will take a look at the code lets see what can be done | 16:36 |
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| otwieracz | coderus: Intex Aqua Fish? | 16:38 |
| coderus | otwieracz: right | 16:38 |
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| otwieracz | It looks quite low-end. | 16:38 |
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| otwieracz | Or maybe not… | 16:39 |
| leszek | Lets hope that it won't be low end | 16:39 |
| FloR707 | Hi, I have a stupid issue again =( I am working on a Mac and for an unknown reason in one of my projects a .DS_Store file gets included in the rpm. This causes the a fail in validation. Does anyone know how to get rid of the .DS_Store file? If I delete it, it gets created again. | 16:40 |
| coderus | otwieracz: but it still better than jolla one | 16:41 |
| coderus | FloR707: enumerate files you want to install, not folders | 16:42 |
| urjaman | lol, i was looking into where wikipedia got the info for this thing (it has some basics listed), and got this ... | 16:44 |
| urjaman | http://web.archive.org/web/20150722110047/http://www.frogoff.com/intex-and-jolla-announce-partnership-to-launch-sailfish-os-2-0-smartphone-by-november/ | 16:44 |
| urjaman | that's a horrible translation from i dont know what language | 16:44 |
| urjaman | " The running device wishes no less than 2GB of RAM and a quad-center processor to run easily. " | 16:44 |
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| coderus | urjaman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KNtpNVqCBE | 16:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | leszek: give the way the indian market is going, it will most likely be low end | 16:46 |
| coderus | video shows it will support same tohs with jolla phone | 16:47 |
| urjaman | that reference device stuff is old and well.. it looks like just a jolla phone to me :P | 16:50 |
| urjaman | o | 16:52 |
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| urjaman | *i'm not even listening (headphones on the table...) but this dude sounds like he has infinite speech ... | 16:52 |
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| urjaman | and it seems like he doesnt know how to use Sailfish OS | 16:54 |
| urjaman | great demo :P | 16:54 |
| r0kk3rz | urjaman: yeah who knows what we will see next week | 16:58 |
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| leszek | maybe there will be a lowend and a mid range device | 17:02 |
| leszek | midrange meaning a 801 or 616 snapdragon | 17:02 |
| leszek | and of course at least 2 gb of ram | 17:02 |
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| FloR707 | coderus: in the .pro file I only include files. I am working of the Jolla example and haven't added a folder. The .ds-store file which makes the problems is in qml/ | 17:03 |
| leszek | FloR707: can't it be removed and then when you don't go into that directory with the filemanager it should not recreate it | 17:05 |
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| FloR707 | Tried that. | 17:05 |
| FloR707 | It is recreated instantly | 17:07 |
| FloR707 | Why can they not improve PC OSes? | 17:08 |
| leszek | FloR707: from that mailinglist thread I would say you could only specify what files to put into the rpm. See: http://devel.sailfishos.narkive.com/TczOKwIy/sailfishdevel-compile-error | 17:11 |
| FloR707 | Got it. Used terminal to delete the file. | 17:11 |
| FloR707 | Thanks for the link | 17:12 |
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| leszek | ok quicksilver builds are not installable due to missing libevent. Was that removed from sailfishos ? | 20:00 |
| leszek | but I tested again my browser on ssllabs.com and it seems sslv3 is deactivated now in qtwebkit which is great. So this vulnerability is gone. The only weak thing now is rc4 support is apparently still active | 20:01 |
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| dv_ | hi | 21:52 |
| dv_ | is the author of quickddit here? | 21:52 |
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