Tuesday, 2015-11-17

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tortoisedocStskeeps : ping07:43
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tortoisedocwowzers07:51
tortoisedocjolla for 200 €07:51
tortoisedocshould I get one more? hmm07:51
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Armadillothere was s Slush offer for 169€ some days ago ;)07:55
tortoisedocyes I noticed it :P07:56
tortoisedocunfortunately I did not decide to take that07:56
tortoisedocIm just wondering should I get one or not...07:56
tortoisedocI still need to get my tablet :P07:57
Armadillohaha07:57
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tbrtortoisedoc: in case you didn't see it, carsten left jolla.07:59
tortoisedoctbr : yes I did07:59
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tortoisedocI wanted to ask him if Mer still has a roadmap in fact :P07:59
tortoisedocbut it seems he's still architect on MER, so everything A-OK08:00
tortoisedoctbr : I guess winds of change are blowing @ jolla08:00
tortoisedocwerent they supposed to have shareholders meeting today?08:00
tortoisedocor yesterday?08:00
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urjaman:(08:10
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tortoisedocurjaman : :/08:10
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urjamani have to say, i'm still not sure if he's a mobile "linux consultant" or "mobile linux" consultant ...08:11
urjamani mean after a thought i think its the second one but i parsed it as the first one :P08:12
urjamanand was like "ok, linux consultant on the move"08:12
tortoisedoc:D lolz08:13
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tortoisedocwell given he switched I guess thats the case08:14
tortoisedochopefully he left on good terms08:14
tortoisedocas long as #mer is alive, there is hope08:14
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daithefluHi08:46
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coderustbr: carsten left jolla - wut?08:50
tbrsee the scrollback in #jollamobile08:50
coderushm08:52
coderusfor mee it seems #something is really happening here...08:52
coderusshould i sold all jolla devices and try something new?08:52
sakustaryes08:53
sakustarpanic mode /execute08:53
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tortoisedoccoderus : normal startup evolution08:55
daitheflucoderus: I'm wondering the same, and, as of now, the balance is more on the yes side08:55
tortoisedocor, "evolution"08:55
tortoisedocchanges are happening08:55
tortoisedocbe safe :P08:55
daitheflutortoisedoc: I don't call this change, I call this lost08:55
lainwir3dfor Jolla maybe08:56
tortoisedocdaitheflu : not enough info to be sure 100%08:56
lainwir3dbut come on, he is free to do what he wants08:56
lainwir3dit doesn't mean there is a problem inside Jolla08:57
tortoisedoclainwir3d : jolla is a startup, there is _always_ problems just because of that08:57
coderustortoisedoc: will see08:57
tortoisedoccoderus : time will tell08:57
coderushow tablets will be delivered08:57
tortoisedocheh yeah08:57
coderusand future roadmap released08:57
lainwir3dof course, what I mean is that it doesn't mean his leaving has anything to do with it08:58
lainwir3dwhat, doesn't everyone already have their tablets ? :-P08:58
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* tortoisedoc o/ not yet08:59
tortoisedocdoes anyone have sf 1.0 on their phone?09:00
coderusi know some peoples09:00
lainwir3dwho know some peoples09:00
lainwir3dthat have friends09:00
lainwir3dthat are distantely related to someone who have sf 1.0 on their phones09:01
coderus*i wont upgrade to 2.0, i dont like 2.0, so jolla should make special os version just for me, because i'm not happy* and so on peoples09:01
tortoisedoccoderus : D09:01
lainwir3d:D09:01
daitheflutortoisedoc: yeah, not 100% sure, that's why I wrote "balance" :)09:01
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Ingvixhey, is there any patch to put notifications to the right side instead of left?09:20
Ingvixso I could swipe them from right to left09:20
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Ischwitzgod damn vpn09:22
urjamanyou're duplicate, but nobody answered (yet(09:23
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urjaman*)09:24
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Ingvix_maybe now I can stick for a bit longer09:26
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Ingvixcouldn't find one from openrepos at least09:28
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IngvixI'd be pleased if someone could make one, if it's possible09:29
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coderusIngvix: no such patch09:44
IngvixSo I thought09:45
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coderusanyone have compied cron packages?10:08
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TemeVcoderus: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/temev:/vixie-cron/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/10:09
coderusthx :)10:09
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coderusTemeV: your cron have iphb support?11:21
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TemeVcoderus: I think so. I just built it in obs :)11:32
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TemeVcoderus: That should be the same cron that Harmattan. The git repo was in gitorious (so doesn't exist anymore) so can't really compare the code11:36
TemeVAnd I haven't read the code11:37
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coderusharmattan have noo nemo iphb :)11:43
tortoisedoclolz11:43
coderusso it will actually sleep and do nothing :D11:43
tortoisedocwhats iphb?11:43
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coderusheartbeat11:44
tortoisedocaha11:44
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dr_gogeta86TemeV, we don't have systemd timers ?11:48
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TemeVcoderus: I'm not actually that familiar how that works. All I know is that it does work :)11:50
TemeVdr_gogeta86: systemd timers don't work when the phone is sleeping11:50
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* dr_gogeta86 who mantain systemd ?11:51
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tortoisedocso what to expect next from Jolla :)12:33
tortoisedoclets see12:33
leszeka new version of sf :P12:36
tortoisedoclolz12:43
tortoisedoci was thinking more in a survival con'text12:44
leszektortoisedoc: what survival ? I mean they are working together with intex on a new jolla phone and helping them to get the software right. Then there are those community projects for porting over SailfishOS to Puzzle and Fairphone12:47
leszekwould be nice if they could make another deal with a big hardware manufactorer to ship phones with SailfishOS12:47
ttyp0OnePlus Sailfish12:47
Yanielwant12:48
ttyp0JollaPlus 3?12:48
ttyp0:)12:48
leszekyeah would be nice though I don't like the OnePlus buying experience12:48
Nokius_work:D12:48
ttyp0I don't like the bugginess of the device though I suspect it's mostly Android's fault12:48
Nokius_workTemeV: I assume there is a way to tget it working12:48
ttyp0with the device referring to OnePlus 2 in this case12:49
Nokius_workTemeV: ==> https://together.jolla.com/question/54271/timer-slows-down-when-screen-is-off/12:54
TemeVNokius_work: get what working?12:57
TemeVthe Cron works just fine. Systemd timers need to be fixed by someone else :)12:57
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tortoisedocOnePlus SFOS would be awez0ke13:06
tortoisedoc*awez0me as well13:06
dr_gogeta86tortoisedoc, SFOS need to be developed ...13:07
tortoisedocindeed13:07
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Nokius_worktortoisedoc: there is an image for the 1+1 but it needs some love check with #sailfishos-porters14:02
Nokius_workTemeV: did checked it sorry14:03
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zoldyckhi, search isn't working in Yandex.Store here14:18
zoldyckdo you know any work-around?14:18
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Nokius_workzoldyck: in the apk from the Jolla store?14:34
zoldyckNokius_work: yes14:35
zoldyckthere are a few comments about this problem in comments there14:35
Nokius_workso 'known' issue :(14:36
Nokius_workmh not on tjc :s14:38
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coderuszoldyck: install other store15:03
coderusgoogle or amazon :)15:03
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Nokius_work:D15:11
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Ingvixif I'm root user and I execute a bash file that isn't in root, does it execute it from root or from the folder where the bash file is?15:36
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IngvixI mean the command in the bash file15:36
coderusit executes with uid15:37
coderusnot eid15:37
Ingvixand I don't know what those are15:38
coderusuid is current user15:38
coderuseid is effective user15:38
Ingvixokay15:38
Ingvixso the command is executed as root user?15:38
coderussure15:38
Ingvixokay15:38
Ingvixthanks15:39
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Ingvixwhy does it say this? bash: ./home/nemo/samba.sh: No such file or directory15:41
Ingvixthere is such file15:42
fledermaus./home ← are you in / when you issue the command?15:43
Ingvixuh, I'm in root15:43
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fledermausand what's the #! line in that file?15:43
Ingvix#!/bin/bash15:44
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fledermausdoes that exist?15:44
Ingvixum15:44
IngvixI need to check15:44
Ingvixyes it does15:45
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ttyp0you're in root as in / or as in /root? ;)15:52
ttyp0also, what are the folder permissions for /home and /home/nemo? (should be readable but worth checking)15:52
Ingvixuh, the root that I get from devel-su15:53
fledermauswhat. directory. are. you. in. :)15:53
fledermauswhat is the output of pwd15:53
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fledermaus"./home/nemo/samba.sh" means look in home/nemo/samba.sh _starting from where I am now_ and execute that file.15:55
ttyp0if he launches terminal and just says devel-su, then  /home/nemo and the command should be ./samba.sh15:55
Ingvixokay15:55
fledermaus. /home/nemo/samba.sh means _load_ (source) the absolute path /home/nemo/samba.sh in my current shell.15:56
ttyp0then it's*15:56
fledermausso you need know - are you trying to source (load) that file, or are you trying to execute it?15:56
fledermausbecause the difference it subtle but may be important.15:56
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ttyp0pwd is your friend like fledermaus said :)15:57
fledermausthe fact that it has a shebang line (#!) indicates you probably want to execute it, not source it.15:57
fledermausso given what ttyp0 said it's either ./samba.sh _or_ /home/nemo/samba.sh15:58
fledermausbut not ./home/nemo/samba.sh15:58
IngvixNow I'm wondering how do I exit vi15:59
Ingvixlol15:59
fledermaus:q!15:59
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Ingvixhow do I save the file before that?16:00
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fledermaus:wq16:01
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Ingvixokay, yea I was in /home/nemo so thanks16:04
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Ingvixnow it says this : No such file or directory: #!/bin/bash16:12
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Ingvixand now I am in /16:14
twaapobasic linux cli guides would help a LOT here16:15
twaapoit takes like 15minutes to grasp the basics with good guides16:15
Ingvixokay16:15
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Ingvixto the good guides then16:15
twaapo:)16:16
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Ingvixuh, even tho is says that there's no #!/bin/bash it executes the command16:21
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twaapohooray?16:24
IngvixI guess? Just wondering why does it say so16:25
twaapodeeper understanding requires much more guides :p16:25
Ingvixwell okay then16:26
Ingvixlet it be16:26
Ingvixas long as it works16:26
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twaapowell maybe not that much more, a little more guides16:27
twaapothats not jolla specific either, will help you with any linux16:28
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Ingvixnow I got it to work fine17:00
Ingvixthe feeling of success17:00
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sailfishHi!17:14
sailfishI hava a problem17:15
sailfishheve, sorry17:15
sailfishhave*17:15
sailfishI get error when compile sailfish-office in last sdk17:16
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tortoisedocblam!17:18
tortoisedoc:PO17:18
sailfishWho can help me?17:18
tortoisedocsailfish : for what17:18
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sailfishI get error when compile sailfish-office in last sdk17:19
tortoisedocw0t error17:19
sailfish[ 64%] Built target sailfishofficepdfplugin_automoc17:19
sailfishScanning dependencies of target sailfishofficepdfplugin17:19
sailfish[ 68%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/sailfishofficepdfplugin.cpp.o17:19
sailfish[ 72%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfdocument.cpp.o17:19
sailfish[ 76%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfrenderthread.cpp.o17:19
sailfish[ 80%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfjob.cpp.o17:19
sailfish/home/mersdk/sailfish-office/pdf/pdfjob.cpp: In member function 'virtual void SearchDocumentJob::run()':17:19
sailfish/home/mersdk/sailfish-office/pdf/pdfjob.cpp:97:30: error: 'IgnoreCase' is not a member of 'Poppler::Page'17:19
sailfish                              Poppler::Page::IgnoreCase);17:19
sailfish                              ^17:19
sailfish/home/mersdk/sailfish-office/pdf/pdfjob.cpp:107:34: error: 'IgnoreCase' is not a member of 'Poppler::Page'17:19
sailfish                                  Poppler::Page::IgnoreCase);17:19
sailfish                                  ^17:19
sailfishmake[2]: *** [pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfjob.cpp.o] Error 117:19
Armadillo.....17:19
sailfishI use master branch17:20
Armadillohttp://pastebin.com/17:20
kimmolipastebin, gitst...17:20
sailfishOk17:20
tortoisedoctoo late :P17:20
tortoisedocit actually looks almost better here17:20
tortoisedocfirst 2c : IgnoreCase is private17:20
tortoisedocsecond 2c : the function is gone17:21
sailfishhttp://pastebin.com/SZA9DTna17:21
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sailfishtortoisedoc : What do you think?17:24
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tortoisedoccan you share header file of Poppler::Page?17:25
tortoisedoclets see if i can find it17:26
sailfishWhere is he located?17:26
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tortoisedocseems like there is nothing (at least in nemomobile)17:28
tortoisedochttps://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Poppler%3A%3APage&type=Code17:28
tortoisedocaaah prkele17:28
tortoisedocits office :P17:28
tortoisedocsorry17:28
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sailfishThe architecture armv7hl is not going to17:41
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sailfishhttp://pastebin.com/EqGz6dZr17:43
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tortoisedocgrumble18:01
tortoisedochow to specify signals in dbus xml?18:02
tortoisedocah18:02
tortoisedocsignal instead of method18:09
tortoisedocthere18:09
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sailfishWhere to get the package sailfish-office-all-translations?18:26
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coderusin jolla apps repo18:33
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IngvixCan bash scripts be executed else than the command line in sailfish?22:08
M4rtinKsure22:09
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M4rtinKyou can bind it to icons if you add a desktop file22:09
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M4rtinKrun them from systemd units, etc.22:09
Ingvixoh, cool22:09
Ingvixgotta look into that tomorrow22:10
Ingvixwhat's systemmd unit tho?22:11
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fledermausIngvix: a configuration file that sets up how a service or one-shot process is to be carried out and monitored for success or failure, either at startup or when explicitly invoked.22:12
M4rtinKif you ever did something with init scripts, this is what replaced them ;-)22:13
IngvixI didn't :D22:13
r0kk3rzIngvix: from a windows perspective, its a service configuration file22:14
M4rtinKand it's pretty powerful22:14
Ingvixyea, I get in in a way22:14
M4rtinK& there is a related logging system called journal integrated with it22:14
r0kk3rzthey're reasonably self explanatory really22:14
fledermausalthough it does use fuGlyCaPpedkeYwordsAstheAuThorhasnoTaste22:14
M4rtinKso you can easily get log output just from your unit and much more :)22:15
r0kk3rzyes all of the freedesktop stuff seems to have really long ugly names22:15
r0kk3rzwait until you see dbus22:15
IngvixI think I try to stick with the icon thing for now22:16
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r0kk3rzIngvix: desktop files are fairly similar to unit files really22:18
r0kk3rzsame idea, just different target usecases22:18
fledermausthey're much simpler.22:18
fledermausthey just describe how to launch and a bit of metadata. not all the other stuff that unit files do22:19
r0kk3rzat a simple level yeah, but theres loads of other stuff in desktop files too22:19
M4rtinKsure, but both can get pretty complex22:19
IngvixI'm wondering what should I do as my script needs an user input22:20
r0kk3rzlike mimetypes, and dbus invokation22:20
Ingvixit can't just run in the background22:20
M4rtinKespecially once you start with all the additional fields, categories and l10n22:20
M4rtinKthen it can get monstrous :)22:20
r0kk3rzIngvix: what kind of input?22:20
M4rtinKyou can start terminal & run the script in it22:20
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Ingvixr0kk3rz, 1,2 or 3 and press enter, as the bash file is now22:21
r0kk3rzIngvix: you could create 3 desktop files, with inputs 1, 2 or 322:21
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r0kk3rzor what M4rtinK said, up to you22:22
Ingvixwouldn't that make 3 different icons then?22:22
r0kk3rzcorrect22:22
Ingvixcan I insert a desktop file that launches terminal and the batch in it?22:23
IngvixI guess I can22:23
Ingvixa bit stupid question22:23
M4rtinKdo we have something like that thing that can spawn dialogs from shell scripts ?22:23
M4rtinKwould be ideal for this usecase22:24
Ingvixyes it would22:24
r0kk3rzwouldnt be too hard to whip up really22:25
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: yep22:26
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: but using/adapting something existing would be even better :)22:26
r0kk3rzshould such a thing exist, sure22:27
Ingvixwhat also would be nice if someone made a patch to put the notification to the right side22:27
r0kk3rzIngvix: sounds tjc worthy, if its not already there22:28
Ingvixits not22:28
Ingvixand what's tjc22:28
M4rtinKtogether.jolla.com22:28
Ingvixoh okay22:28
M4rtinKthat Jolla themed Askbot thing22:29
M4rtinKBTW, there is also: TMO = talk.maemo.org22:29
IngvixI could request it there22:29
M4rtinKa proper forum for not only Jolla stuff :)22:29
r0kk3rzyeah its a weird thing this community does with abbreviating urls22:29
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M4rtinKthere was also TMC (talk.meego.com) in the MeeGo experiment days :)22:30
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dr_gogeta86M4rtinK: did you know rh initiative about acquisitions?22:31
M4rtinKdr_gogeta86: ?22:31
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dr_gogeta86seen time ago in mojo22:32
dr_gogeta86at this point ... why rh don't embrace sfos?22:33
M4rtinKyou mean Sailfish ?22:34
r0kk3rzwouldnt rh do their own thing, using kde plasma active or something?22:36
r0kk3rzsurely gnome is going to join the mobile revolution at some point22:36
jpakkaneGTK in its current state is not really mobile UI friendly.22:37
M4rtinKthe Gnome guys are working on making Gnome more touch friendly: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Touchscreen22:37
M4rtinKhttps://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/pointer-and-touch-input.html.en22:37
M4rtinKjpakkane: I think it is just as bad for mobile usage as everywhere else ;-)22:38
M4rtinKas for Red Hat, there is this: http://www.feedhenry.com/mobile-application-platform/22:39
jpakkaneI'll grant you that. But it's even less nice on mobile.22:39
M4rtinK(note the header)22:39
M4rtinKjpakkane: I've talked with a Gnome dev recently and they at least want to add something like property bindings22:40
M4rtinKjpakkane: via CSS IIRC22:40
IngvixI put it up to the jolla together22:40
IngvixI hope it gets done22:40
M4rtinKalso there ar plans for a GTK scene graphs: https://www.bassi.io/articles/2014/07/29/guadec-2014-gsk/22:41
M4rtinKthat could improve things22:41
IngvixI have no idea what's that about and I have no motivation to read that wall of text22:42
jpakkaneGTK desperately needs more devs, too bad they have chosen to (almost) completely ignore win + osx. Proper cross platformness would bring both users and devs.22:42
M4rtinKI can say from my experience that even on Linux there are still serious issues22:43
jpakkane=> more devs needed.22:44
M4rtinKso I would say first fix stuff on Linux before expanding further with not enough manpower22:44
M4rtinKstill, there are some very nice things in the GTK/GObject world22:45
M4rtinKsuch as the *really nice* GObject introspection (automatically generated bindings for free!)22:46
M4rtinKor GTK inspector (runtime app debugging FTW!)22:46
M4rtinKbut all that gets ruined at regular basis due to showstopper bugs...22:46
eugeniogobject-introspection rocks22:47
M4rtinKeugenio: you can even use it without GObjects for simple stuff :)22:47
Ingvixthis is me trying to understand this conversation http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/lh/medium/rmxp1o00.gif22:48
Ingvixcan't quite grasp it22:48
eugenionever tried that, but not surprised22:48
Ingvixnot that it matters22:48
IngvixI go to sleep22:48
Ingvixbye22:48
M4rtinKnight :)22:49
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