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| King_DuckZ | nvm, I just have to learn some basics first | 00:13 |
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| King_DuckZ | how comes qtcreator says 'Cannot assign to non-existent property "model"' for my ComboBox? http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-controls-combobox.html <--- wrong? | 00:23 |
| coderus | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-combobox.html/ | 00:32 |
| coderus | you using silica, not qtquick controls | 00:32 |
| coderus | add to favorites or just learn to use F1 and F2 buttons in QtC | 00:33 |
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| olpe | You should provide icon in sizes 86x86, 108x108, 128x128 and 256x256. | 01:33 |
| olpe | How can I do that | 01:33 |
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| topiasv | anyone here familiar with patch making and fiddling with sailfish qml files? | 09:09 |
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| toxip | what qml files make the multitasking screen? | 09:12 |
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| Tucks | hello | 09:45 |
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| Tucks | I tried to import the python-sample project from https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/python-sample in SDK | 09:46 |
| Tucks | but I don't know how to run the app in the emulator | 09:47 |
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| coderus | toxip: look into /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 | 10:30 |
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| King_DuckZ | what's the deal with all this boat and helm talking? | 11:26 |
| King_DuckZ | I'm reading the latest post on the jolla blog | 11:27 |
| King_DuckZ | It has been a while since I, as the captain of the Jolla boat, have written anything here on the Jolla Blog. Now I’d like to share some news from our start-up’s helm. | 11:27 |
| urjaman | yes the boating analogy is kinda annoying to me :P | 11:27 |
| King_DuckZ | what boat? like, the dude's super rich and works from his private yacht? | 11:27 |
| urjaman | jolla = dinghy | 11:28 |
| urjaman | in finnish | 11:28 |
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| King_DuckZ | dingy? | 11:28 |
| King_DuckZ | I don't understand finnish | 11:28 |
| urjaman | a small boat | 11:28 |
| TwisteR | jolla fans = sailors | 11:29 |
| * King_DuckZ is no sailor | 11:29 | |
| * TwisteR too, so what? :) | 11:29 | |
| urjaman | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinghy | 11:30 |
| King_DuckZ | what, you mean jolla is a canoe?? | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | usually we refer to jolla employees as sailors, not the fans | 11:31 |
| TwisteR | oh, thanks for correcting | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: not a canoe, more like a 4 person sail boat | 11:31 |
| King_DuckZ | they could've picked an easier to grasp analogy btw, nobody understands their jokes | 11:32 |
| TwisteR | each Sailfish OS version is named after a Finnish lake | 11:33 |
| King_DuckZ | "As you all know, Jolla is a small boat (= start-up in layman’s terms)" lol if only I read the next paragraph :D | 11:33 |
| King_DuckZ | but no, we don't all know | 11:33 |
| TwisteR | you are taking it too seriously | 11:34 |
| King_DuckZ | it's that they are pushing it too much, it's past being funny imo | 11:34 |
| r0kk3rz | not all jolla communcations have had the nautical theme quite that thick | 11:35 |
| King_DuckZ | and that sentence is like "so as we all know a cacciatorpediniere is a boat" | 11:35 |
| King_DuckZ | I'm sure you know, right? | 11:36 |
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| King_DuckZ | I wasn't sure myself, I was unsure between boat and plane, I had to check on wikipedia :p | 11:36 |
| urjaman | it's more annoying to me since the word is also a form of a pronoun in finnish ... | 11:37 |
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| urjaman | i cant read finnish anyore without being confused :P | 11:37 |
| King_DuckZ | urjaman: so you understand finnish? | 11:37 |
| TwisteR | and you don't? ;D | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | urjaman: im not sure anyone can read finnish without being confused | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | its a confusing language | 11:37 |
| urjaman | "Se jolla on jolla" = the one who has a jolla | 11:37 |
| urjaman | or that jolla is jolla ... | 11:38 |
| King_DuckZ | I would stick to english-like sounds, everybody is familiar with those | 11:38 |
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| King_DuckZ | I'm not even sure if it's iòla, jò-lla, iollà or w/e | 11:39 |
| King_DuckZ | as in joe | 11:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah how dare a finnish company have a finnish word for a name, thats just inconsiderate | 11:40 |
| TwisteR | :) | 11:40 |
| urjaman | and it's not even that hard a word to say | 11:41 |
| King_DuckZ | it's not that, it's that it's unfamiliar sounds for non-finnish speakers, it's a poor marketing choice imo | 11:41 |
| King_DuckZ | you can use persian words if you like, but don't expect people to remember them | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: there is a very similar word in swedish that means the same thing | 11:42 |
| TwisteR | Äijänpäivänjärvi! | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | and no doubt, norwegian, danish, and icelandic as well | 11:42 |
| King_DuckZ | whole world > north europe | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure we english speakers get the word 'Hey' from the swedish word 'Hej' which is hello | 11:43 |
| fledermaus | It's a name. Doesn't matter if it means something or not. | 11:43 |
| King_DuckZ | so jolla reads ee-olla, after all? | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | also, the 'whole world' doesnt speak english | 11:44 |
| urjaman | yeah, and it was even explained there... | 11:44 |
| urjaman | though the "as you all know" might be a bit overconfident | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure you're equally not used to hearing mandarin or indonesian | 11:45 |
| urjaman | though maybe thats supposed to make the explanation less annoying to the fans | 11:45 |
| King_DuckZ | idk, all I know is this boat joke was completely unclear to me, and | 11:45 |
| TwisteR | I'm sure that there are more people in the world that speaking Chinese, than those speaking English ;) | 11:45 |
| King_DuckZ | whenever I say to somebody "hey I've got a jolla" I have to spell it | 11:45 |
| urjaman | it does sound like english people say it yolla | 11:46 |
| urjaman | seems like thats the best they can do | 11:46 |
| urjaman | like yo -lla | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | and people say nokia differently as well, but that didnt stop their success | 11:46 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: in fact if chinese want to make an international busines, I doubt they'd start naming their products xìnxìn | 11:46 |
| * TwisteR is Russian-speaking and pronounce it clearly as 'yolla', because there are similar sounds in russian and finnish :-) | 11:47 | |
| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: yeah that xiaomi, huawei .etc must be finding it hard | 11:47 |
| fledermaus | so what is the ipa for jolla, as pronounced in finnish? | 11:47 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: really easy to remember, indeed | 11:48 |
| King_DuckZ | and I'm sure if I was to say huawei to a french he wouldn't understand me | 11:49 |
| urjaman | i google and get beers ... | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: we live in a globalised world with many different languages and cultures | 11:50 |
| urjaman | well, wikipedia even suggests to pronounce it "yolla" | 11:50 |
| urjaman | but they dont have the IPA ... | 11:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought it was yolla, not yo-lla | 11:50 |
| r0kk3rz | but my finnish is limited at best | 11:51 |
| urjaman | maybe its only confusing to me ... | 11:51 |
| urjaman | i made the dash just to indicate that the start sounds like the "word" yo | 11:51 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: I know, but most people are more familiar to english sounds because it's just the way it is | 11:51 |
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| King_DuckZ | so google is just easier than jolla, even though most people don't know what it actually means | 11:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | or it just conveniently avoids areas of contention | 11:53 |
| King_DuckZ | yep | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | google sounds the same in english, german, finnish .etc | 11:53 |
| urjaman | it's just that i think that english "yo" has some "swing" to it that finnish "jo" wouldnt have ... | 11:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres nothing particuarly 'english' about it at all really | 11:53 |
| urjaman | even if it starts with the same IPA /j/ as yes | 11:54 |
| King_DuckZ | j is a hard letter imo, it doesn't exist in my mother tongue, germans read it i and english read it g | 11:54 |
| King_DuckZ | from my point of view | 11:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yes that happens when you have a 26 letter alphabet with more like 40 different sounds | 11:55 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a lot of contextual stuff without really any rhyme or reason to it | 11:56 |
| King_DuckZ | we have 21... :( | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | kinda like english speakers learning german struggle with the whole 'three different words for the' thing | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | at least german has diacritics to distinguish different sounds | 11:57 |
| urjaman | i suppose the IPA would be jʊllɑ but that was just me picking the sounds from the wikipedia list | 11:57 |
| urjaman | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English <- that thing | 11:58 |
| King_DuckZ | btw, the bottom line to that blog post is that people who ordered towards the end of the crowdfundging will have to wait until december? | 11:59 |
| King_DuckZ | who placed the order* | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | that is what it says | 12:01 |
| King_DuckZ | :( | 12:01 |
| King_DuckZ | is anybody else having issues with the sf sdk giving weird permissions to files? | 12:13 |
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| coderus | no | 12:20 |
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| King_DuckZ | my /usr/share/applications/Merproject-SDKMaintenanceTool.desktop has 755 permissions and was owned by my user account, not root | 12:40 |
| King_DuckZ | now I'm trying to update from qtcreator and I'm getting an error about it not being able to delete that file | 12:40 |
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| King_DuckZ | shouldn't it be 644 and be somewhere in my ~/.kde ? | 12:41 |
| King_DuckZ | btw now it's owned by my user again, but even if I hit retry I keep on getting the same error | 12:42 |
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| Victor | hi | 13:27 |
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| lainwir3d | Hmmm... QtBluetooth on the Jolla tablet behaves weirdly | 13:44 |
| lainwir3d | It tells me there is no local device available | 13:44 |
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| coderus | lainwir3d: as privileged? | 14:36 |
| lainwir3d | didn't try as privileged yet | 14:39 |
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| lainwir3d | but it worked in jolla phone, so I admit I haven't checked yet | 14:40 |
| lainwir3d | I'm porting my working app from the phone to the tablet | 14:40 |
| lainwir3d | I didn't really expect trouble | 14:40 |
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