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| tbr | for those interested, latest source drop has appeared on r.s.o and I've mirrored it on my server | 09:42 |
| * urjaman was already downloading (just to see what it has...) | 09:42 | |
| urjaman | thanks to twitter :P | 09:42 |
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| stephg | tbr: cool | 09:43 |
| urjaman | though its kinda a little late to be downloading 1.1.7 source dump while already using 1.1.9 :P | 09:43 |
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| tbr | well, source drops appear after official public release | 09:44 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | tbr i hope you got more bandwith | 09:53 |
| tbr | my servers have a rather stable 100M connectivity. I suspect the CDN jolla use for rso has more though | 09:54 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | 1,2Mb/s | 10:04 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I see other people are reporting crashing android apps if you don't give them permission to access your contacts | 10:11 |
| Vae_DuckZ | it makes me wonder how that's implemented in the android api layer... I'd just do the equivalent of if (can_access_contacts()) { return get_contacts(); } else {return std::vector(); } | 10:12 |
| Vae_DuckZ | not sure what the actual interface looks like, but I don't see any reason apps should crash if you properly tell them your contact list is empty | 10:13 |
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| urjaman | maybe they were never tested with an empty contact list (that'd be kinda meh but maybe believable) | 10:16 |
| TemeV | Vae_DuckZ: that might not be totally problem free solution. E.g. some app that notices that "contact list has changed" and then syncs it to the cloud wiping all the contacts there | 10:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ok I can tell it's a pita https://developer.android.com/training/contacts-provider/retrieve-names.html but I still don't see the problem in feigning you have a brand new phone with no contacts stored | 10:17 |
| Vae_DuckZ | TemeV: just letting apps crash makes this a non-feature tho | 10:18 |
| TemeV | app is poorly done if it crashes due to not accessing some os feature | 10:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | simply put, if I enable it in sf, I can't run skype anymore (nor the new android jabber client in the jolla store) | 10:18 |
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| TemeV | e.g. whatsapp doesn't crash, it just doesn't work | 10:18 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | surely if I don't start skype it won't read my contacts, but then I don't need an option for that o.O | 10:19 |
| TemeV | Vae_DuckZ: I guess point of the option is that your flashlight app can't read the contacts | 10:19 |
| TemeV | It would need an app specific database to limit the access and still make apps work | 10:20 |
| TemeV | because the app needs to be able to write to some database and then read back the data again | 10:20 |
| TemeV | I guess your skype would be pretty confused if it saves a contact to the phones contactlist and next time it is not there when trying to access | 10:21 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | sorry I was at phone | 10:48 |
| Vae_DuckZ | TemeV: maybe a session-limited database would do it, for me at least | 10:48 |
| Vae_DuckZ | either way, as it is now that option is not usable as android apps just crash | 10:49 |
| TemeV | Vae_DuckZ: maybe, anyway it is not as trivial as return vector() | 10:49 |
| TemeV | and it is usable if you don't use messaging apps | 10:50 |
| Vae_DuckZ | actually if sf supported voice over xmpp or even tox, most of those problems would be solved | 10:50 |
| TemeV | if you do, yes, then it is usable | 10:50 |
| Vae_DuckZ | what other apps would need access to your contact lists? | 10:51 |
| Vae_DuckZ | like, legit apps | 10:51 |
| TemeV | *if you do, yes, then it is unusable | 10:52 |
| TemeV | small typo there earlier :) | 10:52 |
| Vae_DuckZ | yup, I figured out what you meant :) | 10:52 |
| TemeV | I don't see why any non-messaging app would need contacts | 10:52 |
| TemeV | maybe for some "share button"? | 10:53 |
| Vae_DuckZ | maybe | 10:54 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I'm thinking about what you said earlier, maybe it's just me (I don't give a crap about my skype account, I tend to make a new one every time somebody new wants to talk on skype with me) | 10:55 |
| Vae_DuckZ | but if the app messes up its state on the server, I really don't care | 10:56 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | also, my skype list != my phonebook, but maybe that's just me | 10:57 |
| TemeV | yeah, but usually, I want my app to crash rather than get messed up | 10:57 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I think you're right about the per-app db, but if you buy a new phone and run skype, surely it won't wipe your contacts list clean | 10:59 |
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| TemeV | but that might not be how skype sees it | 10:59 |
| Vae_DuckZ | it just has to believe you're starting it for the first time on a new phone, then it will import your contact list and be happy | 10:59 |
| TemeV | yeah, but it might also see it as you just wiped all the contacts from the phone | 11:00 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | that sounds wrong | 11:01 |
| TemeV | (I don't really know how it works, I'm just saying it most likely is not that simple) | 11:01 |
| Vae_DuckZ | say I wipe my home every time I run pidgin on my desktop, it won't destroy my contact list on the server | 11:01 |
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| TemeV | You have to think it further than the first start of the app | 11:03 |
| TemeV | if it at some point checks the local database for changes, sees everything gone and thinks this is what the user wants, every contact gone | 11:04 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | TemeV: yeah, I see your point | 11:05 |
| Yaniel | how does it know there ever was a local database? | 11:05 |
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| TemeV | Yaniel: well if the app has synced the contacts there | 11:06 |
| Yaniel | yeah if it stores data at runtime and tries to access it during the same run then it gets problematic | 11:06 |
| TemeV | yes, that is my point exactly, the data needs to be really saved somewhere | 11:06 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Yaniel: that's why I said for me a ram-only volatile db would be enough | 11:06 |
| Vae_DuckZ | o.o | 11:07 |
| * Vae_DuckZ feels like we're talking 3 different languages :p | 11:07 | |
| Vae_DuckZ | either way, it's lunch time :) | 11:08 |
| TemeV | Vae_DuckZ: why ram-only? with the same trouble you can just save it to the disk | 11:08 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | TemeV: yes, I was speaking about the minimum feature that would make me happy, but saving the db to disk would be better of course | 12:04 |
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| coderus | MazeLock patch for SailfishOS v1.1.9.28 waiting to be downloaded from https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock | 13:33 |
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| olpe | Woohooo! Have to try it right away. I've tried to use 2.0 without patches but mazelock is a must have. | 13:48 |
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| daitheflu | still can't believe it's not implemented/supported officially :-/ | 13:51 |
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| coderus | Disable glass avatar patch for SailfishOS v1.1.9.28 is ready: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-disable-glass-avatar | 13:53 |
| urjaman | what glass avatar? | 13:53 |
| urjaman | *whats | 13:53 |
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| daitheflu | urjaman: I think it's the picture of your contact that appears when that contact calls you | 14:03 |
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| urjaman | oh that (dont have any pictures associated yet with anyone that has called... tbh i've gotten only one call from somebody not in my contacts since the update...) | 14:04 |
| urjaman | i did see something during the tutorial but forgot it already | 14:04 |
| urjaman | the tutorial forced you to fake answer a call, i tried to deny it twice first :P | 14:04 |
| daitheflu | lol | 14:05 |
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| daitheflu | guys, is there an "easy" way to monitor the performance of my app ? | 16:08 |
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| daitheflu | I'm opening a Dialog with a custom-made model (pretty simple, inheriting from QSqlTableModel, only 4 rows with the data I have) and the dialog only opens after 2~4 seconds | 16:10 |
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| daitheflu | running the same query directly in sqlite is very fast (0.002 sec) | 16:10 |
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| fledermaus | hm. editing a caldav event makes the phone forget that particular calendar entirely until you remove and re-add the caldav account. | 17:43 |
| fledermaus | not great. | 17:43 |
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