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| corvinux | aloha | 00:39 |
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| corvinux | Anybody tried Release: 1.1.9.28 | 00:40 |
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| iluminator105 | sailfish port on moto g 2nd gen has anyone tried it | 01:55 |
| iluminator105 | sailfish os on nexus 6? | 02:03 |
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| BBLobster | Hi, is someone faced strangle behavior when use Label component with wrapMode: Text.Wrap and img html tag in text? Looks like component incorrectly calculates width in this case | 05:36 |
| BBLobster | Text { | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | id: text | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | height: 32 | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | width: 100 | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | text: "<img width=\"32\" height=\"32\" align=\"middle\" src=\"http://vk.com/images/emoji/D83DDE0E.png\">" | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | wrapMode: Text.WordWrap | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | anchors.centerIn: parent | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | } | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | Button { | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | anchors.top: text.bottom | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | text: "push" | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | onClicked: { | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | text.text = text.text + "<img width=\"32\" height=\"32\" align=\"middle\" src=\"http://vk.com/images/emoji/D83DDE0E.png\">" | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | } | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | } | 05:37 |
| BBLobster | You can try this code to check how this bug works: | 05:38 |
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| Nicd- | BBLobster: don't paste into the channel | 06:16 |
| Nicd- | use gist.github.com | 06:17 |
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| BBLobster | sorry | 06:19 |
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| artemma | Hi all | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | morn artemma | 06:53 |
| artemma | I wasn't developing for Jolla for quite a while | 06:53 |
| artemma | Now that Tablet is going to arrive soon I figured I prepare my current apps for tablet, but I can't figure where to get the tablet sdk | 06:54 |
| artemma | or do I somehow switch the phone one to the tablet mode? | 06:54 |
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| Nicd- | there is no tablet sdk yet | 06:56 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: morning! good to see you still caring after sailfish os | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | of cours | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | e | 06:56 |
| Nicd- | as is usual with jolla, they will probably release it after the OS | 06:56 |
| artemma | Nicd-: seriously? | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: well, EA process allows us to be a little more flexible in that regard nowadays.. | 06:57 |
| artemma | I thought tablet is coming to people hands in 1-3 weeks | 06:57 |
| artemma | but what about the apps set for the all important start of sales moment? | 06:58 |
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| artemma | oh well, sad, but anyways, I've got an answer to my question - no tablet sdk yet | 07:00 |
| artemma | thanks | 07:00 |
| Armadillo | they sent out some tablets to developers | 07:02 |
| Armadillo | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-developer-loan-devices-shipped/ | 07:02 |
| artemma | Armadillo: that I know, I just thought that a couple of weeks before shipping devices at least a beta sdk should be in all devs hands | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | think theyre working hard on it | 07:03 |
| artemma | I see | 07:03 |
| artemma | oh well, maybe there are big tech issues with simulator, change of cpu arch after all | 07:03 |
| artemma | that btw means that most popular apps of mine stop working right away: FlashLight, QuickLauncher, NightSilence | 07:04 |
| artemma | as they ship 3rd party libraries while access to platform ones is not allowed | 07:04 |
| artemma | hmm, or actually can any phone app work on tablet without recompilation? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | no, itøs x86 | 07:07 |
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| tbr | pff not running with qemu-arm? ;-) | 07:13 |
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| Armadillo | ^^ | 07:17 |
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| coderus | BBLobster: it's qml bug | 07:33 |
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| daitheflu | Hi | 07:38 |
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| lainwir3d | \o/ | 08:51 |
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| tortoisedoc | I'd also wonder what the shipping status of the jolla tablet is? | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | for indiegogo supporters, they should have sent out the first batch already?= | 08:53 |
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| lainwir3d | I guess this week | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | Well, I hope | 08:53 |
| * tortoisedoc is in the second batch but notification from Jolla so far :/ ) | 08:53 | |
| lainwir3d | too bad I'm in holiday next week, I won't have it for them :-( | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | how do you know which batch you are on ? | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | from indiegogo? | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | first batch was 2000 devices | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | second also | 08:53 |
| tortoisedoc | (iirc) | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | oh | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | ok | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | I should be on the first batch then | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | \o/ | 08:54 |
| tortoisedoc | xD | 08:54 |
| tortoisedoc | Well there's a lucky pal | 08:54 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I should also be in the second batch or something... I hope I won't get a defective device and everybody else who waited a month longer will get a fixed one | 08:55 |
| Vae_DuckZ | as it happened with ouya (which I didn't buy, luckily) | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | haha, yeah that's a valid point :P | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | honestly, I don't mind waiting another month just to be sure there is no pb | 08:56 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | yup, same | 08:56 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I've noticed that when I disable the new option "allow android apps to read your contacts list", skype crashes soon after login | 09:23 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | not sure why it would need to read my contacts at that point, or why it would need a valid list anyways, but I thought that disabling that option would just return an empty array to android apps | 09:23 |
| Vae_DuckZ | as if I had a brand new phone with no contacts at all | 09:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | ah ouya | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | nice idea, bad execution? | 09:47 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | that was not the point :) | 09:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | it was meant as a question not a statement :P | 10:10 |
| tortoisedoc | (aka your opinion on the matter if ouya failed due to bad execution or not)= | 10:10 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: idk, project mojo also looks quite unsuccessful to me, and so does the nvidia shield... so either they're all doing it wrong or there is simply no market for this stuff | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | nvidia shield is pretty much a streaming terminal in the end | 10:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | an overpriced one, if you ask me | 10:16 |
| tortoisedoc | yep | 10:16 |
| tortoisedoc | (without including all the quality aspects of streaming per se) | 10:16 |
| tortoisedoc | *even without including, that is | 10:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | there are no games worth spending money on a console either, the only decent one I found is implosion | 10:17 |
| tortoisedoc | then on top of that, you have to add the lower quality, lag , etc | 10:17 |
| Vae_DuckZ | and maybe deemo | 10:17 |
| tortoisedoc | i stopped playing consoles a long time ago :( | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | I was going to see if it makes a good raspberry pi replacement | 10:17 |
| tortoisedoc | have been planning to get myself an arcade, but there is some resistance @ wife front :P | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | with arch linux | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | the shield that is | 10:17 |
| tortoisedoc | Yaniel : ouya you mean? | 10:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: lol | 10:18 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 10:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Yaniel: do you own one? | 10:18 |
| Yaniel | yes | 10:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | lol | 10:18 |
| tortoisedoc | quite a pricey rpi replacement :P | 10:18 |
| * Vae_DuckZ pats pats Yaniel | 10:18 | |
| Yaniel | well, I got it for free | 10:18 |
| tortoisedoc | put sfos on it :P | 10:18 |
| tortoisedoc | do it! DO IT! :D | 10:18 |
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| Yaniel | hmm... | 10:19 |
| tortoisedoc | just for the fun of it :D | 10:19 |
| Yaniel | that could indeed be fun | 10:19 |
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| tortoisedoc | yeah, some kind of sadomasochistic type of fun | 10:19 |
| Vae_DuckZ | so you can enjoy Pixl and Picross in hi res + hardware acceleration :D | 10:19 |
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| tortoisedoc | but more fun would be to enjoy the press around it once its done | 10:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | you could leak pictures of it, which would instantly trigger rumors of jolla working with nvidia xD | 10:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | okay maybe im getting carried away... | 10:21 |
| * tortoisedoc back to work | 10:21 | |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I think archlinux is a better option :) | 10:22 |
| tortoisedoc | nooo ;_; | 10:22 |
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| tortoisedoc | anyways; knowing nvidia, i thought the shield would be more difficult to work with due to closed-souces? | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | linux for tegra is a thing but yes | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: that's pretty much all devices today | 10:33 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : due to android drivers? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: yeah | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | so much for opensource android :/ | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | hw adaptation is always a problem | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | i believe in open platforms, but i doubt open hw adaptations | 10:54 |
| tortoisedoc | how comes | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | the state of the industry | 10:54 |
| tortoisedoc | ah you mean mobile or the industry in general | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | mobile industry | 10:55 |
| tortoisedoc | did you have the same problems with the tablet as well? | 10:56 |
| tbr | the mobile industry is consolidating massively and all players have adopted "Android" as the BSP of choice and they will only give you sources where they really have to and even those only reluctantly | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: sure, there's blobs | 10:56 |
| tbr | but at least there is an open source adaptation that people could try out | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 10:57 |
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| tortoisedoc | yeah better than no choice | 10:57 |
| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 10:57 |
| tortoisedoc | im thinking how do i get spotify to stream from my jolla to my desktop headset via usb.. | 10:58 |
| tbr | doesn't pulse-audio have a network mode? | 10:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr : w0t | 10:58 |
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| tbr | probably horribly broken, but you could try | 10:58 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I can definitely do that with bluetooth | 10:58 |
| Vae_DuckZ | connect your pc as a bluetooth headphone | 10:59 |
| tbr | yeah, bridging it via bluetooth should work | 10:59 |
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| saber | God... Plz... Help... | 12:24 |
| saber | Again ssh problem | 12:24 |
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| saber | Yesterday I went back to my home. Phone connected to home Wi-Fi and SDK deploy RPM, ssh without any problem | 12:25 |
| saber | Now I back to residential hall and connected the phone to pc with usb | 12:26 |
| saber | the ssh problem again OMG... | 12:26 |
| saber | sudo ifconfig enp0s29u1u3 192.168.2.44 up | 12:26 |
| tortoisedoc | saber : what happened | 12:26 |
| tortoisedoc | enp0s29u1u3 is hardly a usb interface if you ask me.. | 12:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | whats the ifconfig like? | 12:27 |
| lainwir3d | tortoisedoc: actually it is | 12:28 |
| lainwir3d | enp0s20u4u1 | 12:28 |
| lainwir3d | this is what my jolla usb interface looks like | 12:28 |
| lainwir3d | "recent" change in some linux distribution so that people recognise interface more easily... | 12:29 |
| lainwir3d | this is much more difficult now if you ask me :P | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | lainwir3d : on rh? | 12:29 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 12:29 |
| lainwir3d | fedora for me | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | ah ok no im on debian | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | usb0 -> clear as the sky | 12:29 |
| lainwir3d | I find it works well for pci cards... but for usb... meh. usb0 was much better | 12:30 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 12:30 |
| lainwir3d | I agree | 12:30 |
| kimmoli | is the "s20" in enp0s20u4u1 the systemd version? | 12:31 |
| lainwir3d | probably not | 12:32 |
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| lainwir3d | rpm -q systemd -> systemd-216-25.fc21.x86_64 | 12:32 |
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| giucam | no, that wouldn't make sense. they can't change between versions, that'd be hell | 12:33 |
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| saber | I am using Arch Linux | 12:35 |
| saber | and I think this is not the reason... | 12:35 |
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| Armadillo | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ | 12:37 |
| Armadillo | ;) | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | the point of the convoluted interface name is that it won't change | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | so suddenly usb0 won't change places with usb1 | 12:38 |
| Armadillo | there are very good reasons to use this new name scheme | 12:38 |
| elenril | that was already the case before in most distros | 12:38 |
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| Nicd- | elenril: they discuss some other solutions in that page | 12:39 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: it shouldn't change in any way, usb0 is bound to one network, if you plug it to other usb port then usb1 should be created | 13:19 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: it was an example. it seems it was an issue with eth0 vs eth1 for example | 13:33 |
| Nicd- | maybe usb is different | 13:33 |
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| coderus | probably, depends on what eth you mean. created by virtual adapters or physical ones | 13:52 |
| coderus | virtual ones can be not bound | 13:52 |
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| marc___ | Hi everybody. Do you think it would be possible to run Sailfish on a Samsung Galaxy Note 4? | 14:09 |
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| daitheflu | marc___: you should ask on #sailfishos-porters | 14:12 |
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| aoeu | hi | 20:44 |
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| aoeu | Can someone explain why sailfishos looks so bad? | 20:57 |
| aoeu | Don't you guys have a designer or something? | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | I like how it looks; what part of it do you consider problematic? | 20:57 |
| aoeu | All | 20:58 |
| aoeu | How would you know if it looks good or not if you're not a designer? | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | I tend to have a good intuition about whether I like the way something looks or not | 20:59 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: better elaborate, otherwise it's ranting | 21:01 |
| aoeu | I can tell you that this time, you're most likely wrong. | 21:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and don't forget | 21:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | taste depends on people | 21:01 |
| aoeu | I don't believe this. | 21:01 |
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| aoeu | But in any case, consistency is measurable, and although Sailfish claims to be consistent, the UI proves its not. | 21:02 |
| Niju_ | wat? | 21:02 |
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| aoeu | the UI is inconsistent | 21:03 |
| aoeu | and that's a big issue | 21:03 |
| Niju_ | elaborate | 21:03 |
| Yaniel | yes, there are inconsistencies and they need to be fixed | 21:03 |
| Yaniel | that doesn't mean it looks bad | 21:03 |
| aoeu | By definition yes | 21:04 |
| aoeu | 1. What's up with the icon shapes? | 21:04 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: the whole ui is being redone in the next update, so i wouldnt worry about it so much | 21:04 |
| Yaniel | what's wrong with the icon shapes? | 21:04 |
| aoeu | r0kk3rz: what is it going to look like? | 21:05 |
| aoeu | r0kk3rz: any preview? | 21:05 |
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| aoeu | r0kk3rz: because i can assure you, it's going to be just as bad | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: sure, look up the mwc15 videos | 21:05 |
| aoeu | Yaniel: why so many different shapes? why not stick to one shape? | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | why not stick to one colour while we are at it | 21:05 |
| Niju_ | still not sure what you mean about icon shapes | 21:05 |
| aoeu | r0kk3rz: watching as we speak | 21:06 |
| Niju_ | why stick to one shape? | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | and let's be fair, it's still waay less shapes than say, on android | 21:06 |
| aoeu | Yaniel: All shapes or no shape | 21:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah a homogenous square grid of square icons is great to pick out different apps from | 21:06 |
| Niju_ | most of the Linux icon shapes that stick to one shape are boring | 21:07 |
| aoeu | r0kk3rz: new UI looks the same | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | yes, because all shapes work perfectly fine as icons | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | at all sizes | 21:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | there are a number of areas where its not consistent, but the icons is a fairly superficial point to make | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: clearly you arent looking hard enough, there is plenty of differences in both look and feel, and action | 21:08 |
| r0kk3rz | but im sure you will see for yourself when its released | 21:08 |
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| aoeu | there is no point debating with you | 21:11 |
| TemeV | aoeu: please, tell what is wrong with the look. Icons ok, that's a matter of opinion | 21:11 |
| aoeu | Not just the look, the whole UX | 21:12 |
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| TemeV | ok, please elaborate | 21:12 |
| Yaniel | UX again is a different thing from looks | 21:13 |
| r0kk3rz | 'user experience', or in less buzzwordy parlance, look and feel and action | 21:13 |
| aoeu | The notification center is crowded and hard to read. So many different things, no contrast, it's a mess. | 21:13 |
| aoeu | How come is weather first class? Is that hardcoded or a widget? | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | widget | 21:14 |
| aoeu | Notification icons are different from app icons | 21:14 |
| aoeu | Why do quick settings/actions scroll with the notifications? | 21:15 |
| aoeu | And not stay there? | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | either way, i dont think you're going to get any satisfying answers from community members here | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | jaakko roppola is on twitter and has his own blog, he is one of jollas designers | 21:16 |
| aoeu | Most applications don't look good on tablets, as if they're scaled up versions of the phone app | 21:17 |
| aoeu | I don't see multiple columns for example in apps | 21:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: you are welcome to create patches too | 21:17 |
| TemeV | aoeu: keep in mind, that the mwc video is quite dated | 21:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: "there is no point debating with you " <-- this attitude is not constructive, please keep it constructive here too | 21:17 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: also, if you want to play designer then theres a group called nemomobile who you can join | 21:17 |
| aoeu | Why does swiping an app RIGHT goes back, but swiping LEFT from the edge close the app? | 21:18 |
| TemeV | aoeu: nope, it doesn't | 21:18 |
| TemeV | swiping from top optionally closes the app | 21:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TemeV: maybe he thought about minimizing | 21:18 |
| Yaniel | I suggest you try actually using a jolla device | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: you are confusing edge swipes from non-edge swipes, these are semantically different in sfos | 21:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | there is a difference between edge swipe and inner swipe too | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | although i think thats also changing in new ui | 21:19 |
| TemeV | ah ok, so aoeu hasn't even tried a Sailfish device hands on? Ok, I think we are done here | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | SfietKonstantinW: remember this guy started the conversation with "if you arent a designer you dont know anything" so bare that in mind | 21:20 |
| aoeu | I don't blame anyone for not understanding design. | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | that's not about design, its about winning people over, which is usually the point to starting a debate | 21:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: maybe we are poor mortals that don't uderstand design | 21:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but please, read this blog http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/ | 21:22 |
| aoeu | 3-fingers volume change, such a waste of input method | 21:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and go talk with Jaakko on Twitter, before getting back to us | 21:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | thanks | 21:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: btw, if you are such a nice designer, show us some mockups of a nicer design | 21:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | instead of saying "waste of input method" without explaining what you mean | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | first rule of usability design, do not please designers, please users | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | 'design first' mentatlity is where things like windows 8 and gnome 3 come from | 21:24 |
| aoeu | Windows 8 is not bad | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | lol | 21:25 |
| aoeu | gnome 3 is an improvement | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i rest my case | 21:25 |
| TemeV | Gnome 3 actually is not that bad anymore | 21:25 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Win 8 is bad | 21:26 |
| TemeV | SfietKonstantinW: agreed | 21:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | gnome 3 found itself somehow | 21:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and is improving quite a lot | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: its a little sparse for my liking, but i still use it because its default on fedora | 21:26 |
| TemeV | yeah, it's not perfect | 21:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | submit without compiling ? | 21:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | checked | 21:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yes, I'm at work | 21:27 |
| r0kk3rz | SfietKonstantinW: like a boss | 21:27 |
| Yaniel | plot twist: working on a bash script | 21:27 |
| TemeV | r0kk3rz: I gave it a try after I read Linus switched back to Gnome 3 :p | 21:28 |
| TemeV | And even if it is still annoying, it is less annoying than e.g. xfce or gnome 2 at the moment | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: fair enough, anything good enough for linus should be good enough for anybody | 21:28 |
| TemeV | yeah, if Linus approves, it can't be totally bad :) | 21:29 |
| aoeu | SfietKonstantinW: what's bad about w8? | 21:29 |
| * TemeV slaps aoeu around a bit with a large trout | 21:30 | |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: my point was less about the actual products, more the user reaction and the designers going "yeah too bad you dont like it" | 21:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | night people | 21:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I will leave you with aoeu debating about design :) | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | thanks SfietKonstantinW | 21:30 |
| * SfietKonstantinW go back home to work on a top secret twitter client | 21:30 | |
| XwZ | r0kk3rz: and it's not how it should be when you create for money and not for peoples ? | 21:31 |
| TemeV | r0kk3rz: yeah, that happens too much. Unity, Gnome 3 and Win 8 are good examples of that | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | antti is waiting SfietKonstantinW | 21:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | XwZ: when you create for trend | 21:31 |
| aoeu | where is jakko | 21:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | worse than money | 21:31 |
| aoeu | i need to speak to him | 21:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | see the hamburger menu | 21:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: on twitter | 21:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or on his blog | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | XwZ: i create softwares for money, im always worrying about users.... | 21:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but he might not read your comments at all | 21:32 |
| aoeu | SfietKonstantinW: you can't have discussions on twitter | 21:32 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure he frequents irc or not | 21:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: then too bad. He is only on twitter :) | 21:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | no, he is not on IRC | 21:32 |
| aoeu | only on twitter? | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: maybe frame your critique of sfos in a blog article or something and post it on his twitter | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discussion pretty sure you can do that on twitter | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | he might be interested in your point of view | 21:33 |
| XwZ | r0kk3rz: you don't if you know that people will buy it anyway and if computers can't be saled without your product | 21:33 |
| aoeu | i don't think you would understand | 21:33 |
| aoeu | :( | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | XwZ: ah you refer to microsoft, yes you appear to be right on that one | 21:34 |
| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: you can use your own blog | 21:34 |
| SfietKonstantinW | write a huge article with mockups | 21:34 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and then share it on twitter | 21:34 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I'm pretty sure that people @ Jolla would read it | 21:35 |
| aoeu | SfietKonstantinW: I don't have a blog. | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | first read some of jaakkos ideas on his blog, see where he is coming from | 21:35 |
| SfietKonstantinW | why not opening one ? | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | then give constructive critique | 21:35 |
| aoeu | SfietKonstantinW: I tried, dozens of times. | 21:35 |
| aoeu | I have trouble communicating. | 21:36 |
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| * SfietKonstantinW have seen this | 21:36 | |
| SfietKonstantinW | (sorry, sarcasm) | 21:36 |
| r0kk3rz | the only way to get better at communicating is to do it, and do it formally | 21:36 |
| aoeu | I'm watching a video about Jolla UI | 21:37 |
| aoeu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klx_fUw7imM | 21:37 |
| r0kk3rz | aoeu: do you have a jolla phone? | 21:37 |
| aoeu | r0kk3rz: no | 21:37 |
| r0kk3rz | have you used one? | 21:37 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: have you used a N9 ? | 21:37 |
| aoeu | SfietKonstantinW: no | 21:38 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or maybe a blackberry 10 based device ? | 21:38 |
| aoeu | no | 21:38 |
| SfietKonstantinW | this video is a pretty old one | 21:38 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yeah, there is Jaakko explaining how they designed it | 21:38 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | jaakko with hair + martin schulle | 21:39 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | aoeu: thanks for the vid: now I'm not at home before midnight :D | 21:42 |
| aoeu | i think i prefer the version of the os they present there than the more recent versions i've seen | 21:44 |
| aoeu | although it's far from perfect | 21:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah, perhaps you've only been following the sfos2.0 videos, not the current release stuff | 21:45 |
| r0kk3rz | now i understand | 21:45 |
| SfietKonstantinW | once again, you will need to develop a bit more | 21:46 |
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| aoeu | selfish ui | 21:48 |
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