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| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 06:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | does harbour manage multiple versions of a same app (for different os versions for example)? | 06:06 |
| tortoisedoc | as in | 06:06 |
| tortoisedoc | can you assign one rpm for a certain set of version | 06:06 |
| tortoisedoc | aand another rpm for a second set | 06:06 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: no | 06:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 06:31 |
| tortoisedoc | interesting | 06:31 |
| tortoisedoc | another thing to take into account to adapt apps to sfos 2.0 then :) | 06:31 |
| coderus | do it for 2.0 only | 06:32 |
| coderus | there is no need to backport things | 06:32 |
| tortoisedoc | thats one option | 06:33 |
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| coderus | 1.1.9.x for EA next week, so | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | thing is we do not know adoption rates | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | so feature-wise it would be great to have a sf2.0 app backwards compatible with sf1.0 | 06:35 |
| TemeV | if the user has the app installed with 1.1.9 and you update the app for 2.0 the user just doesn't get the update notification, right? | 06:39 |
| TemeV | so if you don't have backwards compatibility, only users who don't have 2.0 and the app installed already are left out | 06:40 |
| tortoisedoc | TemeV: as said, feature-wise it's not nice for those users | 06:41 |
| tortoisedoc | plus, I do not know how many users are in that particular situation | 06:41 |
| tortoisedoc | it might be all | 06:41 |
| tortoisedoc | or none :D | 06:41 |
| tortoisedoc | who knows | 06:41 |
| TemeV | I guess most people update eventually | 06:42 |
| tortoisedoc | valar morgulis as well, eventually :) | 06:42 |
| TemeV | so with backwards compatibility you spend a lot of time serving small amount of people | 06:42 |
| Armadillo | it's a small amount, but such users exist | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | exactly | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | and the update from sf 1.0 to sf 2.0 is not small | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | so some users might be reluctant to proceed fast | 06:51 |
| Armadillo | already had some issues with new features which were not compatible with their old SFOS versions | 06:51 |
| Armadillo | now I'm always setting the latest os update as smallest version for new harbour releases to avoid such things | 06:52 |
| Armadillo | haven't thought about the update to 2.0 yet | 06:52 |
| coderus | you will, next week :D | 06:52 |
| Armadillo | maybe :P | 06:52 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 06:53 |
| tortoisedoc | dont get me wrong, i think its nice we can finally upgrade to 2.0 :)= | 06:54 |
| coderus | 1.1.9.x ;) | 06:54 |
| coderus | 1.2.0.x should be full 2.0 update | 06:54 |
| tortoisedoc | xD | 06:54 |
| coderus | this is preview | 06:54 |
| tortoisedoc | right | 06:54 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla math | 06:55 |
| tortoisedoc | 1.2.0 == 2.0 :D | 06:55 |
| coderus | 2.0 is markting, it have been already said | 06:55 |
| coderus | version naming will continue same | 06:56 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah it was meant to be a joke coderus | 06:56 |
| tortoisedoc | ;) | 06:56 |
| coderus | 1.1.9.x contain just a modified homescreen | 06:56 |
| coderus | 1.2.0.x should contain modified apps? | 06:56 |
| coderus | i dont know details actually | 06:56 |
| coderus | nobody knows, i think | 06:56 |
| tortoisedoc | not even Jolla? xD | 06:56 |
| coderus | jolla is the company which have no leaks :D | 06:56 |
| coderus | outside jolla, i mean | 06:57 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | if you leak, you walk the plank, into a sea of sharks | 06:57 |
| tortoisedoc | and then its fifteen men on a deadmen's chest & the bottle of rum? :D | 06:57 |
| entil | the blood's already in the water | 06:57 |
| * tortoisedoc could join in for the rum at least | 06:57 | |
| tortoisedoc | which reminds me i need to get more rum :/ | 06:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | anyways | 07:04 |
| tortoisedoc | id assume there is no sf api for getting the version yet | 07:05 |
| tortoisedoc | the os verison | 07:05 |
| tortoisedoc | *version | 07:05 |
| kimmoli | QFile sfVerFile("/etc/sailfish-release"); | 07:06 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : yup that | 07:07 |
| coderus | you can always check availability of qml properties | 07:07 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : qml too high level for that | 07:07 |
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| daitheflu | Hi | 07:44 |
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| kimmoli | prööt | 08:06 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: what changed in c++ side in 2.0? | 08:28 |
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| OpenLover | Hello :) | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 09:02 |
| OpenLover | I love you projects | 09:03 |
| OpenLover | I have heared that Yotaphone want to use your OS, but for the moment its not clear | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | just rumours | 09:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : i think newer toolchain | 09:06 |
| tortoisedoc | and thats it | 09:06 |
| tortoisedoc | or some libraries got admitted to harbour as well | 09:06 |
| tortoisedoc | have not been following tbh | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah it's intentionally a small release | 09:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | speaking of harbour admittance | 09:08 |
| tortoisedoc | is there a roadmap of some kind? it would be handy for developers to know when (approx) library x might make it in harbour | 09:08 |
| OpenLover | Do you accept money contributions? Or do I contribute automaticaly by buying the jolla phone? | 09:11 |
| Nicd- | I think it's quite difficult for a company to accept donations | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | OpenLover: you contribute to the paychecks of people developing sailfishos by buying our phone, yes | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | so buying a device would be the best way :P | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | or preordering tablet | 09:12 |
| OpenLover | ok, thanks | 09:13 |
| OpenLover | The americans don't have the chance to buy a device :/ | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | tablet i think you do? | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | OpenLover : www.verkkokauppa.fi should give the possibility to ship to us? | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | that is | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | www.verkkokauppa.com | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | http://www.vehttps://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/21867/fdtrv/Jolla-Tabletrkkokauppa.com/ | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/21867/fdtrv/Jolla-Tabletrkkokauppa.com/ | 09:19 |
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| kimmoli | o_O | 09:21 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | is it me or sending tweets from the notification interface doesn't work anymore? | 09:37 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: i only saw more qml nemomobile modules are allowed | 11:02 |
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| oodako | solln wir euch am sonnta einsagmmeln kommen oder so? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | was? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
| oodako | ups | 11:58 |
| oodako | wrong window :D | 11:58 |
| OpenLove | Lern doch ersteinmal Deutsch | 11:59 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 11:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | wer braucht denn deutsch wenns noch Finnish gibt :P | 12:10 |
| kimmoli | que? | 12:10 |
| tbr | wenn dann "Finnisch". | 12:10 |
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| Nicd- | sauerkraut und lederhosen | 12:11 |
| OpenLove | Wer kann hier Finnisch? | 12:12 |
| OpenLove | Ich | 12:12 |
| OpenLove | nicht | 12:12 |
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| Nicd- | ich bin eine wunderbaum | 12:14 |
| OpenLove | Naja, ihr sprecht Shuldeutsch und ich spreche Schulenglisch :) | 12:18 |
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| TemeV | Ich habe ein Panzerwagen in meine Lederhosen | 12:22 |
| OpenLove | Ist das jetzt zweitdeutig gemeint? xD | 12:24 |
| TemeV | kein ahnung :) | 12:26 |
| OpenLove | Was heißt hier "keine ahnung"? | 12:28 |
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| ttyp0 | suomi finland perkele | 12:38 |
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| OpenLove | That is good | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | suomi finland 6-1 perkele sisu viina isäm maa 1939-1945 kiitos! | 12:41 |
| ttyp0 | but what was the question? :) | 12:41 |
| ttyp0 | keine ahnung in Finnish? | 12:41 |
| OpenLove | keine ahnung = no idea | 12:42 |
| ttyp0 | I know :) | 12:42 |
| ttyp0 | in Finnish it's "ei aavistustakaan" | 12:42 |
| kimmoli | kvg | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | in Finnish it's vitustako mä tiiän | 12:42 |
| OpenLove | Does "Jolla" mean a world in Finnisch? I don't speak Finnisch | 12:43 |
| kimmoli | dinghy | 12:43 |
| kimmoli | small boat | 12:43 |
| OpenLove | Only english (bad), german and french | 12:43 |
| ttyp0 | mie puhun suomeenja savvoo, hilijoo ja kovvoo | 12:44 |
| Nicd- | it's Finnish | 12:44 |
| ttyp0 | -n | 12:44 |
| OpenLove | Thanks, so the story is a small boat who found sailfishes in the sea | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | crap my German is falling apart | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | :/ | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | at least we didn't choose starfish os like originally planned | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | müsste es schon öfters sprechen | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | Startfish mm | 12:45 |
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| OpenLove | sailfish is better | 12:48 |
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| OpenLove | Th "star" things are very classical | 12:48 |
| kimmoli | ah, forgot. Jolla = | 12:53 |
| kimmoli | (relatiivinen, taivutusmuoto) yksikön adessiivimuoto sanasta joka | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | Now that would have made headlines | 12:54 |
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| Saber | WTF | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 17:28 |
| Saber | Suddenly "Could not connect to the MerSDK" virtual machine Connection Error: Connection Refused | 17:29 |
| Saber | What I can do... | 17:29 |
| Saber | lol | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | start the virtual machine? | 17:30 |
| Saber | Yes | 17:31 |
| Saber | It shows that the virtual box is running | 17:31 |
| Saber | the mer sdk is running | 17:31 |
| Saber | but the qtcreator cannot connect to it | 17:31 |
| Saber | I am wandering if it is an authorization problem because I just re-installed virtual box | 17:31 |
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| Saber | don't know this will affect the public, private key or not | 17:32 |
| kimmoli | reinstalling sdk will recreate keys afaiu | 17:32 |
| kimmoli | i get that usually after building enough times, as the mersdk leaves ssh connections hanging and then exceeds count of open connections | 17:33 |
| Saber | no, I didn't reinstall the sdk but just the virtualbox only | 17:34 |
| Saber | I tried reboot and the problem continues | 17:34 |
| kimmoli | can you start mersdk from virtualbox? | 17:39 |
| Saber | Yes | 17:40 |
| Saber | ... | 17:41 |
| Saber | Fxxk... | 17:41 |
| Saber | Reboot 3 times and now it works | 17:41 |
| Saber | rare... | 17:41 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 17:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is QtQuick.Layouts not available on SF? | 17:57 |
| coderus | no | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i thought it comes bundled starting qt 5.0? | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | crap | 17:58 |
| coderus | sailfish didnt built any controls | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ok but they should still be buildable then.. | 17:58 |
| coderus | only plain quic stuff | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | or maybe not, given that sf is wayland based? | 17:58 |
| coderus | try and give us a gift | 17:58 |
| Saber | No | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Saber : no as in ? | 17:59 |
| coderus | it should depend on it you think? | 17:59 |
| Saber | typo lol | 17:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | heh | 17:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | lets see | 17:59 |
| Saber | I have a problem now... | 17:59 |
| Saber | How to deploy rpm to Jolla with usb only | 18:00 |
| coderus | ssh | 18:00 |
| coderus | settings - security - developer mode | 18:00 |
| Saber | In Jolla the usb ip set to 192.168.2.16 and soo the config of sailfish sdk | 18:00 |
| Saber | but it always say that cannot make the connection | 18:00 |
| coderus | what os on pc? you connected in developer mode? | 18:01 |
| Saber | Yes Yes | 18:01 |
| Saber | Arch Linux | 18:01 |
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| TemeV | can you ping it from the pc? | 18:02 |
| Saber | the error is: SSH connection failed: Timeout waiting for reply from server | 18:02 |
| Saber | No no response when I ping it | 18:02 |
| Saber | all packages lost | 18:02 |
| coderus | ifconfig? | 18:02 |
| Saber | ifconfig only shows my wired network and the 127.0.0.1, that's two not related to Jolla | 18:03 |
| coderus | ifup it then manually | 18:03 |
| coderus | chec dmesg | 18:04 |
| Saber | I don't know this | 18:04 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ifconfig on the phone? | 18:04 |
| TemeV | maybe the required driver is not installed? | 18:04 |
| coderus | pc | 18:04 |
| coderus | rndis should be in kernel | 18:04 |
| Saber | Normally I use wifi to deploy rpm to Jolla but now I have no wifi network | 18:04 |
| urjaman | ifconfig -a | 18:05 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you need to mount usb | 18:05 |
| tortoisedoc_ | as inet interface | 18:05 |
| tortoisedoc_ | there is a thread on tjc no? | 18:05 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and first you need to make sure you have dev mode enabled on the phone | 18:05 |
| Saber | Yes enabled | 18:06 |
| Saber | How to mount usb | 18:06 |
| urjaman | it'll have a weird interface name | 18:06 |
| urjaman | if you dont have the unique if names disabled (then it'd be usb0) | 18:06 |
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| urjaman | you can see it with ifconfig -a | 18:06 |
| Saber | In Jolla ifconfig, there is rndis0 with the ip 192.168.2.20 | 18:07 |
| Saber | but this doesn't appear in my notebook ifconfig | 18:07 |
| urjaman | then bring it up with ifconfig <ifname> <ip> up or such | 18:07 |
| coderus | what is ifconfig output on pc? | 18:07 |
| urjaman | ifconfig -a output | 18:07 |
| urjaman | (ifconfig only lists interfaces that are up by default... and if he didnt see it with that, it means the if is propably down...) | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc_ | there is one additional step that we are missing | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and that is the usb0 interface init | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | once that is done | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you assing an ip address to it | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | with ifconfig | 18:09 |
| Saber | wait me pastebin first | 18:09 |
| urjaman | i just said taht | 18:09 |
| Saber | suck my network down.. lol | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | urjaman : ok D | 18:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 18:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | building qtquick controls.. | 18:10 |
| Saber | coderus: the ifconfig in my notebook has nothing special | 18:11 |
| Saber | 2 interface one is the wired network and other is the 127.0.0.1 < localhost? | 18:12 |
| coderus | check dmesg after disconnect - connect usb cable | 18:12 |
| Saber | okay | 18:12 |
| urjaman | if you made your own kernel or something you might need rndis_host or such but it should be by default | 18:12 |
| urjaman | and that sounds like you didnt "ifconfig -a" | 18:12 |
| urjaman | or well true my arch linux only has those two when no phone attached so maybe not | 18:13 |
| Saber | dmesg rndis_host appeared | 18:14 |
| Saber | register "rndis_host"- at usb xxxxxxxx << Jolla mac address | 18:14 |
| Saber | enp0s29u1u2 renamed from usb0 | 18:15 |
| coderus | thats it | 18:15 |
| coderus | ifconfig | 18:15 |
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| coderus | ifconfig enp0s29u1u2 192.168.2.14 up | 18:16 |
| Saber | yup i tried ifconfig enp0s29u1u2 up | 18:16 |
| Saber | and now the enp0s29u1u2 appeared in ifconfig | 18:16 |
| urjaman | you need to give it an ip (not the phone ip, it'll be the pc side ip) | 18:16 |
| coderus | bind ip | 18:16 |
| Saber | but still cannot ping it | 18:16 |
| TemeV | isn't there dhcp? | 18:17 |
| Saber | 147.8.44.222 | 18:17 |
| Saber | that ip | 18:17 |
| urjaman | thats not in the same network as the phone | 18:17 |
| TemeV | yeah, that ip doesn't work, has to be 192.168.2.x | 18:17 |
| coderus | you need same networ mask | 18:18 |
| Saber | sorry I read it wrongly | 18:18 |
| Saber | that is my notebook ip lol | 18:18 |
| Saber | the Jolla one seems no ip shown | 18:18 |
| TemeV | I thought it doesn't sound like autoassigned ip | 18:18 |
| Saber | how to assign it | 18:18 |
| coderus | ifconfig enp0s29u1u2 192.168.2.14 up | 18:18 |
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| Saber | omg | 18:20 |
| Saber | still failed.. | 18:20 |
| Saber | can ping it | 18:21 |
| coderus | :D | 18:21 |
| coderus | can? | 18:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | yup built Qtquick.layouts :) | 18:21 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: cool | 18:22 |
| coderus | now do same in obs please | 18:22 |
| Saber | can ping it but in sdk it still refused the connection | 18:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hah | 18:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | one thing at the time :P | 18:22 |
| TemeV | ssh -p 2222 -i /home/<user>/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk mersdk@localhost | 18:22 |
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| TemeV | does that work? | 18:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | how do i test it? | 18:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | yes | 18:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | TemeV : yes | 18:23 |
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| TemeV | I meant it for Saber :) | 18:23 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : how to test quick & dirty? | 18:23 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: scene? | 18:24 |
| tortoisedoc_ | scene? | 18:24 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I mean, is it enough to drop the .so plugin file next to exe? | 18:25 |
| tortoisedoc_ | will the plugin system find it? | 18:25 |
| Saber | still connection refused | 18:26 |
| Saber | I feel hopeless lol | 18:27 |
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| TemeV | Saber: can you log in with ssh? | 18:27 |
| TemeV | from terminal | 18:27 |
| Saber | no | 18:28 |
| Saber | connection refused | 18:28 |
| Saber | I think may be the key problem | 18:28 |
| Saber | how to re-generate new key | 18:28 |
| Saber | because my phone flashed recently | 18:28 |
| TemeV | wait, no I was mixing things, you're tryin to log in to Jolla not sdk... | 18:28 |
| TemeV | have you enabled remote login in developer mode settings? | 18:29 |
| Saber | Yes | 18:29 |
| Saber | I want to deploy rpm from sdk to Jolla | 18:29 |
| TemeV | can you login with password? | 18:29 |
| TemeV | from sdk you can generate new keys | 18:29 |
| Saber | ssh nemo@192.168.2.20 >>> connection refused | 18:30 |
| Saber | but ping is okay | 18:30 |
| tortoisedoc_ | saber | 18:30 |
| tortoisedoc_ | telnet 192.168.2.20 22 | 18:30 |
| TemeV | are you sure about ip? | 18:30 |
| tortoisedoc_ | maybe you have iptables? | 18:30 |
| TemeV | default is 2.16 iirc | 18:30 |
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| coderus | you ssh from mersdk? | 18:31 |
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| Saber | telnet connection refused | 18:32 |
| Saber | ssh from mersdk, ssh from notebook linux system to Jolla, nothing works | 18:32 |
| TemeV | Saber: you have changed the ip to 192.168.2.20? | 18:32 |
| Saber | only ping got response | 18:32 |
| Saber | Yes for the phone settings | 18:32 |
| coderus | show pc and phone ifconfig now | 18:33 |
| Saber | Sorry for that I am to tired lol | 18:36 |
| Saber | have to fix it tomorrow | 18:36 |
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| coderus | :D | 18:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : what do I need to get a side-by-side deployed qtquick plugin to be usable? | 18:46 |
| coderus | find spec | 18:47 |
| coderus | or you can configure with --prefix=/myproject and make install | 18:48 |
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| coderus | but better get spec | 18:50 |
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