Thursday, 2015-08-27

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coderusurjaman: explain easier please00:38
coderusyou want to get internet on pc from phone via usb or what?00:38
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urjamanbasically "directly" plug the mobile data connection into usb0, so no NAT or other filtering by the phone - there would be the question of how the IP parameters would be transferred (maybe the phone would need to fake dhcp answer with the proper ip and dns)00:41
urjamanthe traditional way was to form a ppp connection to the phone over bt rfcomm or usb acm (the phone would be a modem with AT commands and ppp...)00:42
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urjamannow i have the phone as a temporary (ADSL failed) link plugged into my alix fw/router and it thinks that the external ip is 192.168.2.2, but more than that there's now _two_ NATs between my network and internet, one of which isnt familiar to me...00:47
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coderusinstall usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config on phone00:55
coderusand on connection select internet sharing00:55
urjamanyeah that gives the current crap NAT00:57
urjamani want the phone to give the connection to me, not share it00:57
urjaman(with itself and others over the usb or wifi)00:57
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urjamani'd try to bridge rndis0 and rmnet0 on the phone and remove the public ip from them and put the local one in the bridge interface and put the public one on the usb interface on the PC side and configure the PC to have the correct gateway ip (gleaned from the phone routing table), but the phone doesnt have the brctl tools to do that and still i'm not sure if it'd work01:05
urjaman(and it just sounds like something really fragile if you just manually force it...)01:06
urjamanso i was just putting it out there that i'd like if this was possible just with a check"box" in UI someday later01:07
coderusits 6:16 here, and its not a morning for me, its a deep night, i'll go to sleep later, but. and i dont understand what you mean, but i'm connecting my phone to my router easily and it works.01:18
urjamanit works for outgoing connections, but not for servers01:19
urjaman(i've gone through the trouble of having a public IP on the mobile data (a checkbox in their website to enable the possibility) and now my phone is being the annoying part...)01:20
urjamanhopefully ddclient isnt trying to tell dy.fi that my site is at 192.168.2.2 (havent checked)01:21
urjamanpretty sure i bound that to check eth0 (on the alix) so it isnt saying anything at all, but get the idea...01:22
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urjamanbrb checking whether i'd already have the adsl back (something with the usb0 config is interfering with my ability to talk to the adsl router... ugh...)01:36
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MorgawrWhat's the optimal/accepted way of opening files from disk? I'm looking for a FileDialog but apparently the QtQuick one doesn't work on Sailfish?09:59
Acceone accepted way at least is to create your own component in C++10:03
Accequite simple too10:03
MorgawrIs there an example or page I can look at to learn how to do that? Not specifically for this, just something to point me in the right direction10:04
MorgawrI'm getting familiarized with Qt/QML but I've never used it before so it takes some time to work around stuff10:05
Accehmm for making your own C++ things usable from qml: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html and http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-cppclasses-topic.html10:07
MorgawrAcce: Thanks10:08
AcceMorgawr: np, you can also search github.com for "sailfish", you will find some apps you can use as example there10:09
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MorgawrQuick question, if I keep adding pages on the stack and then perform a replace(), does that replace all the pages or only the latest one on the stack?10:19
Acceonly the latest, see silica docs on how to discard more pages10:19
Morgawrthanks10:21
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Vae_DuckZhi I've just heard about this diaspora* thing, which is a facebook alternative if I got it right10:49
Yanielmore or less10:49
Vae_DuckZhas anybody tried it yet? is there any support for it in sf?10:49
MorgawrI thought it was more like a twitter alternative, honestly, but I haven't looked at it personally10:49
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anYcI tried it years ago. It worked but no one else was using it actively. A few days ago I saw the android app in f-droid11:59
Vae_DuckZare there any privacy concerns? some blogs I found argue it's worse than facebook, not sure how trustworthy those blogs are tho12:00
anYcIf I have some spare time again I will take a look at https://movim.eu/12:01
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Vae_DuckZnice stuff12:03
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MorgawrI'm trying to load a bunch of images in a SlideshowView using a model. The model exposes the filenames of the images. I then set the image inside the delegate with source: model.filePath (or whatever) however nothing is being displayed. I have console.log() to check that the path is correct12:29
Morgawrwhat could be the problem? I'm thinking maybe some caching issue or something that loads the page before the image is fetched in the model, but I have put cache: false and asynchronous:false but it still doesn't work12:30
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Nc_hrmpf - Tizen support, but no SailfishOS :( - http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/08/26/unity-comes-to-linux-experimental-build-now-available/12:40
coderusMorgawr: show your qml12:42
Morgawrargh, gotta catch a plane, I'll catch up on this in a few hours sorry :)12:49
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dr_gogeta86Nc_, tizenenv :-D13:03
daithefluHi13:04
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coderushm, inside jolla-settings page using nemomobile contacts cant populate people model, it never happening. the only output is [W] QObject::connect:2501 - QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::contactsPresenceChanged(QList<QContactId>) to SeasideCache::contactsPresenceChanged(QList<QContactId>), wtf?15:28
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olpeShoot. I forgot to unapply patches before updating15:34
olpeAny code to force unapplying patches?15:34
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coderusdevel-su; patch -R -p 1 -d / -i /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/patches/{patchname}/unified_diff.patch.15:37
coderusignore "already unapplied" ones15:38
olpeI'll try15:38
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olpeHmm.. Worked at least partly.15:47
coderusyes you should unapply all available chunks15:47
olpeUnreversed patch detected!  Ignore -R? [n]15:48
olpeshould i say yes15:48
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olpeGot everything unapplied now. Thx coderus!15:50
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olpeStarted to collect useful commands that are not so easy to remember in a gist. Wonder if somebody already did this somewhere? Or am I the only one who needs this kind of stuff16:04
olpehttps://gist.github.com/olpeh/df6d98b5140b7cdb85b016:05
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coderuscan jolla-settings run application for item, not page, like it was implemented in N9 settings?16:41
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r0kk3rzi dont see why not coderus any app can call other app through dbus to lipstick16:59
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coderusr0kk3rz: you do not understand what i mean17:33
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coderusr0kk3rz: did you ever created items for settings?17:38
r0kk3rznope17:39
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coderus:)17:48
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inte`coderus is eventsview controls with settings applet 1.1.7.24 ONLY or would it also work on 1.1.7.27?18:02
inte`ok. tried it. well it does but it looks somewhat weird :)18:04
inte`ah no18:04
inte`now its fine great18:04
inte`only it unapplyable but nevermind18:05
inte`its18:05
inte`this is actually one of the best patches ever18:07
inte`so useful!18:07
inte`THANK YOU!!18:07
olpeThe one with attached page is even better IMO18:08
inte`havent tried that one yet18:08
inte`but shortly:)18:09
olpeIt allows you to have the items in the lower area of the screen. My thumb is lazy18:09
inte`ah cant install at present since it conflicts with the eventsview controls patch18:10
inte`which is currenty unapplyable18:10
inte`well, it can be unapplied with the command coderus mentioned above18:10
olpeYeah18:10
inte`but im too lazy for that atm :)18:10
olpeSho18:11
olpeShould have a patch for unapplying other patches18:11
inte`probably18:11
inte`but since the normal unapply mechanism failes at present18:11
inte`probably due to version mismatch (im on 1.1.7.27 already)18:12
inte`that unapply patch will most likely fail as well18:12
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SalziHi all19:32
Venemo_tbjhi19:32
SalziI just started with my first app and need to save a password (to connect to a remote server). Probably the QSettings class will be the easiest but I don't want to save the passward in plain text. I was just wondering if there is a 'best pratice' way to store such things?19:34
coderusdon't store as plain text, use some base64 or xor or aes, whatever you likes19:38
urjamangg obfuscation19:38
SfietKonstantinWSalzi: until we have secure storage (like sandboxing) you cannot have safe storage client side19:39
SfietKonstantinWone way could be to ask for lock code, but you don't have access to this api :(19:39
coderusyou can use Accounts interfaces19:39
urjaman(well you can like base64 it so its not like obvious, but you should still say "want to save effectively as plaintext?")19:39
coderusit stores passwords somewhere inside and you can't read them19:39
coderusbase64 with randomized dictionary19:39
SfietKonstantinWcoderus: you might need privileged stuff to do this ?19:40
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coderusSfietKonstantinW: no, you just need to create service and account stuff and connect to your server not directly and use accounts19:40
coderusmeans creating plugin for accounts and you will setup everything in system accounts settings19:40
Salzihmm so my passwords from my e-mail accounts are also stored in plain text or do that app have the needed privileges?19:41
coderusand your application will just utilize created account and connect using it and will talk to system, not server directly19:41
coderusSfietKonstantinW: your passwords stored in system accounts are secured19:41
coderusat least thre are no public way to read themn19:41
Salziat least that ;)19:42
Salzibut in fact most apps that need login to a webservice (like a file browser with webdav) stores the passwords somhow unsafe19:43
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r0kk3rzSalzi: you can mash it up, but at some point it has to be reversable19:49
r0kk3rzand whatever key you might use to encrypt it with, also has the same problem19:50
Salziyupp19:50
r0kk3rzso unless you make the user put in a password of some kind, all the information is on the device19:50
Venemo_tbjI wouldn't worry about it so much19:52
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SalziVenemo_tbj: true but for me it is still a bit scary to safe passwords unsafe in a time where everybody things about privacy, encryption, ...19:55
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Salzifor my project it doesn't really matter. It's not a super safe thing19:56
Venemo_tbjSalzi: yeah, well, if someone lays hands on my tablet, I'm screwed anyway19:56
Venemo_tbjor my phone19:56
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Venemo_tbjespecially laptop19:57
Venemo_tbjthese days19:57
SalziVenemo_tbj: do you already got your tablet? ;-)19:57
Venemo_tbjbasically they are auto-logged-in into every service I use19:57
Venemo_tbjSalzi: didn't order one19:57
Venemo_tbjSalzi: I meant it as a figure of speech19:58
coderuseverything is reversible19:58
coderusso just dont worry and just use something simple19:58
coderusso it wont be possible to read it as plain tet19:58
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coderusand it will be enough19:58
Salzisame here but the phone is probebly the first thing I could lose19:58
Venemo_tbjyeah19:58
Venemo_tbjSalzi: but like I said, if someone gets my phone and figures out my lock code, he basically can get into my twitter, facebook, emails, whatnot20:00
Venemo_tbjthe last thing I care about is a password in a random app20:00
Venemo_tbjthat being said, use some minimal efforts to protect it as coderus suggested20:01
Salziby the way coderus do you know if someone is working on a textsecure client (native sailfish) using your libs?20:01
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Salzifist I have to get used to this "new" QML stuff ;-) Until now I never used QML within my Qt projects20:02
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coderusSalzi: i saw one person20:03
coderusbut don't know about current status20:03
attah /opt/sdk is missing and deploy by rpm install with qml not readable by user nemo.. what did i mess up?20:03
coderusattah: who knows? show your project.20:04
Salziok thanks coderus20:04
attahcoderus: it worked fine before.. i think all i have done is the phone recovery20:04
r0kk3rzSalzi: the name of the game is obfuscation, so the process itself is actually the 'secret key'. but usually xor with some bit shifts is sufficient enough20:05
Venemo_tbjattah: you can create /opt/sdk as root on the device and chown it to nemo20:05
coderusr0kk3rz: use base64 with custom dictionary, it will be enough :)20:05
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attahVenemo_tbj: that dd the trick :)20:07
attahI'll explore the rpm issue later20:07
r0kk3rza simple cipher? XOR is way more secure than that :P20:07
attahBest of all the app still works.. Fresh cover art ftw20:08
coderusr0kk3rz: xor is less secure if it constant20:08
r0kk3rznaturally20:08
r0kk3rzbut so is a cipher20:08
coderustry to figure whole 64 bytes dictionary20:08
coderusyou can randomize dictionary on the fly based on imei or any other data from phone20:09
r0kk3rzsame with your xor key/s20:09
Venemo_tbjwhat's the point? if someone gets access to the device and launches the app, they see your data anyway20:09
r0kk3rzVenemo_tbj: you cannot protect against an individual attacker who has physical access to the device20:11
Venemo_tbjr0kk3rz: my point exactly20:11
r0kk3rzwhat you need to protect against is mass procuring of password files20:11
r0kk3rzthus a minimal amount of tomfoolerly is preferred20:12
Salzidon't forget about evil apps that may search your device in the background and send the data to a controll server (I know a not really realistic scenario...)20:13
Venemo_tbjmhm20:14
r0kk3rzor other remote exploits and such20:14
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Venemo_tbjokay20:18
Venemo_tbjgood point20:18
coderusUpdated Personal Ringtones to v0.2.0: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/personal-ringtones20:18
coderusi can write such evil app collecting many application passwords including your devicelock password and so :D20:20
coderusbut you know, i'm a good boy and not making such applications20:20
Venemo_tbjreally? the device lock is readable for an app?20:20
coderusno, but who said it's not possible to make some hack to read it? :D20:20
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Venemo_tbjis it?20:22
SalziI never said it's an totally unrealistic scenario. But until know I believe in the sailfish community and most of the apps are open source and if there is such an evil app it should be possible to get rid of it20:24
Venemo_tbjindeed. and maybe the store has ways to verify such evilness?20:25
r0kk3rzwell coderus has made a lockscreen patch before, so you make a patch that looks like the current one but logs everything you press somewhere20:26
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Salziis there somewhre a good overview over all QML element available (buttons, input fileds, ...) can't find it20:26
r0kk3rzsailfishos.org and qt.io20:27
coderusVenemo_tbj: store of course20:28
coderusSalzi: using qt creator press F1 and check it contents20:28
Salzicoderus thanks I know the qt assistant but thats the documentation not an overview ;)20:30
Venemo_tbjSalzi: sailfishos.org20:31
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r0kk3rzthe documentation is the overview21:02
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coderusSalzi: docs have list of all silica components available21:19
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satmdcoderus: thank you for your software :)21:26
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coderussatmd: :)21:45
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