Friday, 2015-07-24

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ThaodanI got skypweb running at least creating an account via mc-tool01:33
Thaodanhowever going online wont work01:34
Thaodanthe message app says there's an encryption problem01:34
Thaodanhttps://paste.kde.org/pxglnp62701:34
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bbxtrHola04:19
bbxtrAnyone in the know whenthe SfOS 2.0 will be out?04:20
Yanielno04:20
bbxtrI keep hearing it's a matter of few weeks, but is it?04:22
Yanielprobably04:22
Yanielin case you haven't followed blog.jolla.com, they said something along the lines of tablet shipments starting after 3-5 weeks04:23
Yanielpretty sure the update will be available for the phone no later than that04:24
bbxtris it the original shipment plan or the postponed one?04:25
bbxtrit's the manufacturing/distribution that slows the things now, the 2.0 is golden already04:26
Yanielthe latest I know of04:27
Yanielthe blog post was done yesterday04:27
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bbxtrhaven't checked yet I am out in the country04:27
bbxtrand the connectivity in the hills sucks04:28
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m4g0git's a pity but for me 1.7 doesn't work: android services doesn't show notifications. not from 1.7,not from android notifications app. May be somebody can help me and can give me an algorithm for configuring it from very beginning?06:37
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Vae_DuckZhey all09:21
Vae_DuckZlately I've been getting an error when I open the jolla store09:22
Vae_DuckZit happens every 2-3 days, it gose like "unrecoverable error while registering apps"09:22
Vae_DuckZthen the store just says I have nothing installed and trying to install something will freeze & crash the jolla store09:23
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Vae_DuckZfollowing that error the phone is in a messy state until I reboot (gallery is empty, email checking gives errors)09:24
Vae_DuckZsome apps won't start at all, MeeCast says I don't have any location added... fcked up in short09:26
Vae_DuckZanybody else is experiencing the same?09:26
Vae_DuckZ actually I think it's every 3 days, my uptime is 3d 0h 6m09:27
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Yanielup 8 days, no prpblems09:33
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Vae_DuckZwtf is my flash memory failing already?09:35
Yanielbtrfs?09:35
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Vae_DuckZidk, whatever the default was09:35
Vae_DuckZI'm talking about the internal memory, not the sd card09:36
YanielI mean is it suffering from the usual metadata explosion09:36
Vae_DuckZidk, isn't that the problem that fills your disk before it's actually full?09:37
Yanielyes09:37
Vae_DuckZmemory app says I'm using 45.64%09:37
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Yanielit lies09:38
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Vae_DuckZ"info" from the settings screen says 6.7GiB in use09:39
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Yanieldevel-su btrfs fi show09:39
Yanielthat tells you the truth09:39
Thaodan_is it possible to  upgrade nss to a recent version?09:39
Thaodan_i think this is why Skypeweb won't connect09:40
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Vae_DuckZit got stuck in the enabling developer mode screen09:42
TemeVThaodan_: did you manage to input the password correctly?09:42
Yanielif it doesn't unstick itself, use recovery mode09:43
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Vae_DuckZI swiped back and retried, and it's just showing the infinite progress bar now09:44
Yanielsounds like you'll need recovery mode anyway09:45
TemeVVae_DuckZ: does store work?09:45
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Vae_DuckZTemeV: yes, I rebooted 10 minutes ago09:45
TemeVCan you install some app from store?09:45
Vae_DuckZlet me try09:46
Vae_DuckZomg I re-opened the store and got the unable to register apps again09:46
Vae_DuckZcan't install anything now :(09:47
TemeVthat is why you can enable developer mode also09:47
TemeVrecovery mode time then09:48
Vae_DuckZwhat is that?09:48
TemeVhttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode-09:48
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Vae_DuckZ...let me try rebooting one last time09:50
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Vae_DuckZit gets stuck at the same point09:56
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TemeVBoot to recovery mode then and check btrfs fi show10:00
lainwir3d"could not create '/usr/share/harbour-rpncalc/lib/python/sympy/interactive/__pycache__/__init__.cpython-34.pyc': PermissionError(13, 'Permission denied')"10:02
lainwir3dhuh oh.10:02
lainwir3ddirectory write access is alright... I don't know what's going on10:03
Vae_DuckZwhat do I have to install to have dhcpcd?10:07
Vae_DuckZI thought it was supposed to be already there10:08
coderusdr_gogeta86: why you asking me? i'm not working in whatsapp or whispersystems10:15
coderustextsecure client is here for a long time10:15
coderusjust whatsapp bought a contract ffor implementing textsecure encryption for whatsapp10:15
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coderuslainwir3d: precompile10:16
lainwir3dcoderus: yeah, just noticed that.10:16
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lainwir3dBut it's already precompiled, python has just decided that it's not the way he wants it precompiled10:17
coderus:D10:17
coderusor disable compilation then10:17
lainwir3dleading me to wonder if he's going to decide that at every sailfish update10:17
lainwir3dwell, the problem is that without compilation sympy takes 11seconds to import :-/10:18
lainwir3dcoderus: do you know how to disable it ?10:18
lainwir3dplease :)10:18
coderusno i don't know, but it should be possible10:19
coderussome environment variables maybe?10:19
lainwir3dI guess I could compile it the way he wants, but i'm afraid he's gonna do that at each sailfish update10:19
lainwir3dthus killing the point10:19
lainwir3di'll take a look at the doc10:19
coderusi'm not using python in my projects10:19
Vae_DuckZI think fedora has dhclient rather than dhcpcd10:19
Vae_DuckZanybody knows the command? Yaniel?10:20
coderusVae_DuckZ: what wrong with your dhcpcd?10:20
lainwir3dcoderus: well it's the first project I do in python, rather i'm converting a full qml one into python / qml. But I'm beginning to regret it.10:20
Vae_DuckZcoderus: I don't have it10:20
lainwir3dcoderus: maybe I could write the cache inside user directory...10:21
coderusVae_DuckZ: systemctl status udhcpd.service10:21
Vae_DuckZ[ 5680.243403] rndis_host 1-1:1.0 enp0s6u1: renamed from eth010:21
Vae_DuckZcoderus: I think I connected10:22
Vae_DuckZI just got eth0 renamed to some of those silly modern names10:22
coderusfedora, so10:22
Vae_DuckZok, telnetted10:22
Vae_DuckZYaniel: should I get a shell and try that command now?10:23
Vae_DuckZor btrfs recovery?10:23
coderusVae_DuckZ: go to shell10:23
coderusand mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt10:24
coderusand cd /mnt10:24
Vae_DuckZ"if you continue this may void your warranty"10:24
coderusand btrfs fi show10:24
coderusor btrfs fi df /mnt10:24
Vae_DuckZmaybe I should just contact the jolla dudes?10:24
coderusits always good idea10:24
Vae_DuckZand btw wth it means it *may*, will it void my warranty or not??10:25
coderusif you start wiping partitions for example10:25
coderusor do some other stupid things10:26
Vae_DuckZso simply accessing the shell won't void the warranty in itself?10:26
coderusthen nobody will repair your device for free10:26
coderusof course no10:26
TemeVVae_DuckZ: accessing shell doesn't void warranty10:26
coderusas warranty not void if you open your car hood10:26
TemeVthat discailmer is only because you can actually break hardware if you do something really stupid10:27
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TemeVthe commands coderus have are safe10:28
TemeV*gave10:29
hasdfhuhu10:30
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Vae_DuckZhttp://pastebin.com/v8xknGQe10:31
TemeVbtrfs seems to be full, balancing should help10:32
Vae_DuckZis it me or btrfs sucks btw? I remember I had disk full errors already when I tried it 3 years ago10:33
Vae_DuckZeither way, is it this command?   btrfs fi balance /mnt -dusage=510:33
TemeVVae_DuckZ: Jolla's btrfs is like 3 years old version so it sucks as much as back then :)10:33
TemeVVae_DuckZ: yes, something like that should work10:34
Vae_DuckZwill it take decades to complete?10:34
TemeVit can take anything from seconds to centuries :)10:34
Vae_DuckZis it likely to cause any data losses?10:35
TemeVafaik, no10:35
coderusif it full and you can't delete files, it can take up to 2 days10:35
coderusor you can help it deleting some files in a loop10:35
coderusor moving to sdcard10:35
TemeVbytes used 6.14GiB10:35
TemeVI guess it should be quite quick10:36
Vae_DuckZI guess it's rather btrfs fi balance -dusage=5 /mnt10:36
Vae_DuckZthe other way around said unknown token '/mnt'10:36
coderusread this: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/10:37
coderusbtrfs balance start -dusage=X /mnt10:37
Vae_DuckZliteral X?10:39
TemeVX is a number, start with a low one10:39
Vae_DuckZthe command from the above link says btrfs-balancer: not found10:39
TemeVyou have to chroot to use it10:40
Vae_DuckZTemeV: I have no idea what that parameter is, so is 5 low/high?10:40
TemeVit is percentage :) So 5 is low10:40
coderusits good irea to read full article to understand what you doing10:40
coderusidea*10:40
coderusbtrfa-balancer is inside os, not inside recovery10:41
coderusbtrfs*10:41
Vae_DuckZso dusage is keep the cpu usage at X?10:43
TemeVno10:45
TemeVIt is explained in that together article10:45
Vae_DuckZI didn't see it10:45
TemeVBasically it means how much it tries to balance it10:46
TemeVlower number, faster it goes10:46
TemeVbut also less effective10:46
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Vae_DuckZright, devid    1 size 13.75GiB used 11.82GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2810:48
TemeVgreat, now reboot and see if it helps10:49
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Vae_DuckZlogout? exit? poweroff?10:49
TemeVI don't remember :D It is in the zendesk article, I think10:49
TemeVmaybe umount /mnt first, not that it makes much difference10:50
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Vae_DuckZit was exit10:51
Vae_DuckZthe next update will do rebalancing, right?10:52
TemeVBefore installin update, yes10:52
coderussync; umount /mnt; sync10:52
coderusand then can poweroff device with button10:52
Vae_DuckZcoderus: done all that, sync too ;)10:53
coderuscool10:53
Vae_DuckZuhm but enabling devel mode still hangs like earlier10:53
coderusbefore next update "optimizing" doing rebalancing until success or fail10:54
coderushangs?10:54
TemeVVae_DuckZ: do you have utilities installed?10:54
Vae_DuckZI think I do, yes10:55
TemeVtry rebuild app registry from there10:55
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Vae_DuckZno change :(10:58
Vae_DuckZhow do I contact the tech support?10:58
coderuswhat error on installing devmode?10:59
coderusjolla.zendesk.com10:59
Vae_DuckZthe progress bar just stops at around 1/5th of the length10:59
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Thaodan_TemeV11:01
Thaodan_i got11:02
Thaodan_however the accounts code is broken11:02
Thaodan_it don't creates any account that is visible for mcd11:03
Vae_DuckZcan't install apps either11:03
coderusVae_DuckZ: hm, really11:06
coderustry to remove jolla account, reboot, and then create jolla account again :D11:07
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Thaodansomeone got an updated version of nss?11:25
m4g0gwhat is nss?11:28
TemeVmcd? Mission control daemon?11:30
lainwir3dhmmm11:33
lainwir3dseems to have found the solution11:33
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lainwir3dfor reference, it seems if pycache files (*.pyc) are not present on rpm, they will be automatically generated on install11:34
lainwir3dthe files were present on my rpm but were wrong, so rpm did not replace them and python could not use them11:34
lainwir3dhit combo11:34
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tortoisedoclainwir3d : included by chance from a pc / mac?11:35
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lainwir3dnope, from mer sdk11:36
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lainwir3ddon't know why he'll not accept them11:36
lainwir3dI'm going to verify my claim, maybe there was leftover cache files from test before rpm install...11:36
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m4g0gcoderus, do you see Kate in lighthouse programms list?11:40
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lainwir3dwell forget what I said earlier, it was rubbish, it's not automatically generated11:44
ThaodanTemeV: yes11:54
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ThaodanTemeV: this is what I get when I  try to go online: Jul 24 13:24:29 Jolla telepathy-haze[1443]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed11:59
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ThaodanTemeV: here some debug output: https://paste.kde.org/pvt0xhxul12:04
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Vae_DuckZcoderus: how can I recover a forgotten password?12:07
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TemeVThaodan: I can't notice any obvious problem, but then again, I'm not really familiar with haze or purble12:17
TemeVI could debug it some day, but I don't have time until at least sunday12:17
Thaodansee this error: https://paste.kde.org/pvt0xhxul#line-120012:17
Vae_DuckZresetting the password made the shop work again, but I still can't enable devel mode12:19
Vae_DuckZI'll just pass, I feel like crap today12:19
Vae_DuckZthanks for helping12:19
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TemeVThaodan: yeah, I mean I can't think of what causes that12:21
coderusm4g0g: com.perm.kate12:21
coderusVae_DuckZ: what password?12:21
Thaodanmaybe theres something wrong with gnutls?12:22
coderustry to reset your devicelock password also12:22
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m4g0gcoderus, thx. this i gave too. But nothing work. I am thinking about device reset. can it help me? or there is other way?12:24
Vae_DuckZcoderus: the jolla account, I already found how to reset it12:27
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coderusm4g0g: i have no idea if it help, sorry. just reinstalling aliendalvik is not an option?12:31
m4g0gmay be...12:34
SfietKonstantinWThaodan: are you a telepathy expert ?12:35
SfietKonstantinWor actually, do you know telepathy ?12:35
ThaodanSfietKonstantinW: not really just a bit, on my desktop everythiing works fine with skypeweb. Maybe its an issue of old packages, here I use arch and all may pkgs should be newest as possilbe12:37
ThaodanI wrote an email to the creator of skypweb with the log attached , maybe he can help.12:37
SfietKonstantinWThaodan: I was searching for telepathy knowledge12:38
SfietKonstantinWnot realy about skypeweb12:38
ThaodanSfietKonstantinW: nope not really but maybe ask in #telepathy?12:38
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TemeVSfietKonstantinW: I know something (not much really, but something) about telepathy. What knowledge are you looking for?12:41
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: in context of the Jolla12:42
SfietKonstantinWI wonder if I can have several clients sending smses12:42
SfietKonstantinWor will one prevent other to do so12:42
SfietKonstantinWit seems that one messenging app (jolla-messages or anything using nemo-qml-plugin-messages) will open a channel between a sender and a receiver12:43
SfietKonstantinWand this channel might prevent another client to do the same12:43
TemeVActually, I've been thinking the same. Afaik it should be possible, but I'm not sure really12:44
TemeVBecause actually there is two clients running on Jolla. Commhistory-daemon (as observer) and jolla-messages12:45
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: I wonder if the channel lasts for the message sending or all the time12:45
SfietKonstantinWwell commhistory don't care about channels12:45
SfietKonstantinWit just observes stuff12:45
SfietKonstantinWjolla-messages is the handler12:45
TemeVI think there was a sms blocking app, that works so that it handles the message before jolla-messages gets to it12:47
TemeVBut about channel life time, you have to propably check how telepathy-ring handles it12:48
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SfietKonstantinWTemeV: I don't like reading code like https://github.com/nemomobile/telepathy-ring/blob/master/src/ring-connection-manager.c :/12:59
SfietKonstantinWI don't like C actually :(13:00
TemeVYeah, it hurts my eyes also13:00
SfietKonstantinWI guess I will test tonight13:00
m4g0gwhat dirs i can clear after aliendalvik removing?13:01
TemeVSfietKonstantinW: What are you trying to do?13:01
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: be able to send smses13:01
SfietKonstantinWfrom a system daemon13:01
SfietKonstantinWwhile passing through the usual channels13:02
SfietKonstantinW(it should appear in jolla-messages)13:02
SfietKonstantinWas if it was send by the user13:02
locusfSfietKonstantinW: would Nemo qmlmessages help?13:03
TemeVbasically jolla-messages is qmlmessages with some silica polish on top13:04
SfietKonstantinWlocusf: it is a gui, and it *might* not work because of non-sharable channels etc13:04
SfietKonstantinWI did read the source of qmlmessages to understand how stuff works13:04
locusfSfietKonstantinW: it did for tbr13:04
TemeVlocusf: not if you have jolla-messages installed13:05
locusfbut yeah since its just a gui its problematic13:05
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locusfTemeV: ah ok13:05
TemeVat least there is a disclaimer, that the qml plugin should be used by one app only13:05
SfietKonstantinWlocusf: ha13:06
SfietKonstantinWgood then13:06
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SfietKonstantinWyeah, the disclaimer was frightening13:06
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TemeVBut basically, you should be able to see by observing dbus atleast if there is new channel everytime sms is sent/received13:07
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TemeVif there is, you can create own telepathy client to send sms, and commhistory-daemon should log it as usual13:08
TemeVand then jolla-messages shows it13:08
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: I was more about having a small test code that controls if I can establish a channel while operating jolla-messages13:08
SfietKonstantinWyes, I need to go through telepathy13:08
SfietKonstantinWI was thinking about simply using qml-plugin-messages13:09
SfietKonstantinW(but from C++ side)13:09
TemeVI think using it is bad idea, as the disclaimer says13:09
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: not a bad idea13:10
SfietKonstantinWit just proxy calls to telepathy-qt13:10
SfietKonstantinWso it is as a bad idea to use is as to use telepathy-qt13:10
SfietKonstantinWwhat you need to care is: does it gives me to me the channel13:11
SfietKonstantinWif not I'm sending data to nowhere13:11
TemeV"It is not meant to be used by any other applications, or by13:11
TemeVmore than one process simultaniously."13:11
leszekJust created a small gui app for setting the maximum volume. It goes up to 200%. I don't think above that is healthy for the speakers on the jolla (or any device for that matter) : https://github.com/llelectronics/maxvol13:12
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SfietKonstantinWTemeV: I can recode to use directly telepathy-qt13:13
SfietKonstantinWbut it would be a bit of a waste of time isn't it ?13:13
TemeVmaybe :)13:13
SfietKonstantinWI will also need to have commhistory related code to be able to read the commhistory13:15
SfietKonstantinWbut this is another topic13:15
TemeVThere is a qml plugin for that13:16
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SfietKonstantinWTemeV: yep, but I might need privileged13:25
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Thaodanthis tels me a question: Why Jolla don't polishes Jolla-Messages and such as its one of the core things of sailfish?13:31
* urjaman weeps13:32
chem|stThaodan: upgrading the core to state of the art is more important atm, or do you want to be stuck with old core? that would also mean to be stuck with lots of other old stuff, rather upgrade core and then build up on top of that than to double the effort the other way round13:33
ThaodanNo I don't want. I would rather have a blob free kernel  and so on13:36
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chem|stoh yeah blob free kernel... we could just upgrade to linux413:46
ThaodanAs far I as read the problem is that pkgs like bluez are patched13:47
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TemeVThaodan: I agree on jolla-messages. After all phone is mainly for communicating, and messages are essential part of that14:11
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coderusThaodan: reask this question after releasing 2.0, if applicable14:20
Coolgeekdo you have a date coderus ?14:21
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Thaodancoderus: is there someting improved in 2.0 that i don't know?14:23
ThaodanTemeV: the problem is telepathy needs some improvments especially telepath-gabble14:24
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TemeVThaodan: I think gabble is quite dead14:37
Thaodanthats the problem14:38
TemeVbut there is telepathy-nonsense coming14:38
Thaodanyes I read Kaffeine does something14:39
ThaodanIs there a way to get qmldocs without qtcreator?14:39
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lainwir3dpython is a nightmare14:56
lainwir3dseriously.14:56
Yanielpython is nice14:56
lainwir3dor rather, what I want to do in python seems to be a nightmare14:56
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Yaniel3.x at least14:56
lainwir3dit's a nice langage, but packaging a module correctly for harbour is hell14:57
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lainwir3dhmmm. Should have said that earlier15:05
lainwir3dfinally found a solution15:05
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YanielPYTHONPATH?15:08
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lainwir3dnope15:11
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lainwir3dI managed to package it a while earlier, the problem was the import time of sympy was more than 10 seconds15:12
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lainwir3dbecause the cached .pyc files were "corrupt"15:12
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lainwir3dI managed to generate them from inside the .spec file, and now they seems to be valid15:12
Yanieloh that problem15:13
lainwir3dyeah :-(15:13
lainwir3dit's no use generating the .pyc from the phone, they'll get marked at stale as soon as you include them inside the rpm15:13
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lainwir3dis there a variable for project source dir in .spec file ?15:58
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Thaodan_usually the source is in a source archive or what you mean?16:05
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lainwir3dThaodan_: I want to access a folder that is not in qmake shadow build dir. I can't manage to make qmake copy my dir into it before building anything..16:10
lainwir3dsource_folder/myawesomefolder is not inside build-source_folder (shadow build dir)16:10
lainwir3dbut I need to access it16:10
lainwir3deither using a variable from the .spec indicating me where it is, either by making qmake copy it beforehand16:11
lainwir3dbut i can't find how to do that with qmake16:11
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Almindoris the current SDK debugging broken? I get "bad file descriptor" error when trying to debug in the simulator17:22
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leszekis there a way to access my original source tree in a spec file so that I can manually copy over a file to a specific folder ?17:44
leszekI use the spec file created by SailfishSDK17:44
leszeknever mind found a solution already. Sometimes an ls -l and a pwd helps wonders also in a spec file :)17:53
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coderusThaodan: nobody know, that the reason :)18:52
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eye_aWhen is SFOS 2.O due?20:39
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Stskeepsa bit past it's due date, so all us pregnant mothers of it really wants it out by now20:41
Stskeeps:P20:42
eye_aoh20:42
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eye_aHave you followed Jolla since the start may I ask?20:43
Stskeepsyou might say that20:43
Stskeeps:P20:43
eye_aI have and before20:44
eye_aWhen the team was N920:44
eye_aor so20:44
Stskeepsnod20:44
eye_ayep20:44
eye_aI like Jolla20:45
eye_aAnd SFOS20:45
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Stskeepsso do i, but i guess it comes with working there20:45
Stskeeps:P20:45
eye_ado you work for Jolla20:46
Stskeepsi do.. but am about to head to sleep20:46
eye_aok20:46
eye_anice20:46
eye_asweet dreams20:46
eye_amaybe catch you tomorrow20:46
eye_atake care20:47
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chem|stStskeeps: I think we hit the point where we are unknown although we are the most public figures22:39
M4rtinKthe shadow-men! :-)22:43
chem|stM4rtinK: yeah, first name that pops up for mer is Stskeeps ...22:45
chem|stwell, me being chairman of maemo is unimportant22:46
chem|stand probably not well known22:46
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ecksundo you guys know what is starting sshd@.service ?23:44
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