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| Ponchale | hi | 04:46 |
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| Ponchale | still they have not given us answer :( | 05:28 |
| narchie | shipping may 2015 | 05:32 |
| Ponchale | mmmmmm narchie? | 05:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | Intex eh :) | 05:40 |
| tortoisedoc | congrats Jolla | 05:40 |
| Ponchale | I am that this great project Jolla community loses an ally that would have given much to and all for the lack of diligence and commitment negligence | 05:42 |
| locusf | hmm? | 05:44 |
| tortoisedoc | Ponchale : w0t? | 05:44 |
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| Ponchale | a big company examples of the technology industry, Microsoft Google HTC, Apple no any such company'm sure not delay five months to answer an email at least give a negative either answer or respond by saying no thanks but no answer that is a disrespect. | 05:49 |
| iekku | 7 | 05:51 |
| Ponchale | what I find most amazing is that no worker is in this channel Jolla themselves approached ad and beyond our request to any person in charge. But what you may not know is that one of the continents that rise and expansion has in mobile technology is what Jolla america not seen. But no problem thanks | 05:51 |
| iekku | Ponchale, sorry to step to conversation in the middle. where did you send mail? | 05:51 |
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| iekku | Ponchale, if it was to developer-care@ then i have dropped ball and will do my best to fix it | 05:52 |
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| Ponchale | we decided to start our development on Maemo, but to answer your question looks I sent to more than 4 emails that are info@jolla.com, tigeli@jolla.com, partners@sailfishos.org, partners@jolla.com. and none of these emails alberto.martinez@jolla.com answers none which meet at least go to hell but even that respond | 05:54 |
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| iekku | Ponchale, please do not send business side mails to personal emails. our info@ should be reactive and give response, i will check what the situation is but can't promise anything | 05:57 |
| Ponchale | iekku no longer believe they all tell us so, all people and look at the first mail we sent in March and I had to practically beg me to respond transferred me with a fellow Colombian and therefore also did nothing to try to revive become communications and the same, or previous or current emails to and of course not to mention that also send request | 05:57 |
| Ponchale | s to Facebook and Twitter and do not respond. | 05:57 |
| Ponchale | I feel sorry iekku but ask this question. To have a section of partners and Alliados and message to companies interested in the project if they will not respond to requests? | 05:59 |
| iekku | Ponchale, sorry, i didn't get your question. could you please rephase it? | 05:59 |
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| Ponchale | to have a section of partners, allies and saying that if you are interested in the project send an email if they will not answer what one sends | 06:01 |
| Ponchale | We reject Ubuntu and Firefox and thinking and waiting Jolla that actually liked and loved this OS but unfortunately its employees and managers do not give enough importance to things | 06:04 |
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| tortoisedoc | Ponchale, I am not an Jolla employee - frankly, I do not believe blame to be a good way for starting a business relationship :) | 06:11 |
| tortoisedoc | I mean, what idea will Jolla get from you? | 06:12 |
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| Ponchale | Business expansion in territory of the planet that although not many technological news to give people liked the new, not just people if state agencies is the government | 06:14 |
| Ponchale | calm not bother more like the bad image is already created and Jolla took care of that. | 06:16 |
| tortoisedoc | Ponchale : no reason to add more to the pile then, no? | 06:19 |
| Ponchale | so it is | 06:21 |
| cybette | Ponchale: we (Jolla) has replied your messages previously, and I apologize if the email exchanges stopped without clear reasons. Someone will follow up on the thread and respond to you soon. Thanks for your patience! | 06:23 |
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| Ponchale | so we were told on Monday | 06:24 |
| Ponchale | ok | 06:24 |
| Ponchale | ok | 06:24 |
| Ponchale | (Y) | 06:24 |
| Nicd- | so they have replied to you after all | 06:24 |
| Ponchale | mmm? | 06:25 |
| Nicd- | 2015-07-15T09:23:02+0300 < cybette> Ponchale: we (Jolla) has replied your messages previously | 06:26 |
| Ponchale | they have not answered a single email, the system does not lie | 06:29 |
| Nicd- | checked your spam folder? ;) | 06:31 |
| tortoisedoc | lolz | 06:31 |
| Ponchale | it is not necessary to mention it Nicd- | 06:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | duh | 06:33 |
| urjaman | that was the hardest to parse english in a while (for me) | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | i hope the release of the intex phone brings more batteries :) | 06:34 |
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| urjaman | hthh | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc | hthh? | 06:38 |
| urjaman | *-h | 06:38 |
| * tortoisedoc is lost | 06:39 | |
| urjaman | here's to hope (iirc... now i'm not sure what i thought -.-) | 06:39 |
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| olpe | its employees and managers do not give enough importance to things | 07:04 |
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| TemeV | Could somebody check which version of commhistory-daemon is installed on Sailfish 1.1.6? | 08:01 |
| TemeV | rpm -q commhistory-daemon | 08:02 |
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| Armadillo | 0.5.46.1-1.31.2 | 08:04 |
| TemeV | Thanks | 08:04 |
| Armadillo | np | 08:04 |
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| Osanwe | Hi! This morning I've tried this example (http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquick-scenegraph-openglunderqml-example.html) but it doesn't work. How can I use OpenGL on Sailfish? | 08:53 |
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| lainwir3d | last time I tried it worked pretty well | 09:02 |
| lainwir3d | but you had to do a small adjustement | 09:02 |
| lainwir3d | I'll look to see if I can find tht for you | 09:02 |
| Osanwe | lainwir3d: It'll be nice. Thanks in advance! | 09:03 |
| lainwir3d | Osanwe: try putting "_backgroundVisible : false" in your ApplicationWindow qml object | 09:05 |
| lainwir3d | relevant mailing list thread : https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/003069.html | 09:06 |
| Osanwe | lainwir3d: Nice, thanks. It works :) | 09:06 |
| lainwir3d | you're welcome :-) I once got the same problem, that's why I know :P | 09:07 |
| Osanwe | Hm... If OpenGL works why there're no 3D games for this OS? | 09:08 |
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| TemeV | because two dimensions should be enough for anyone | 09:09 |
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| Nicd- | Osanwe: very niche OS, probably no one has bothered | 09:10 |
| Yaniel | and a small touchscreen device, not much to be gained from 3D most of the time | 09:10 |
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| Osanwe | TemeV: not for gamers :) | 09:13 |
| taaem | Many games on android/ios are 3D | 09:14 |
| Osanwe | Nicd-: games is the bigger part of mobile devices users. If there're games - there're more users. In my opinion | 09:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Osanwe: +1 | 09:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | just like windows and games | 09:14 |
| Osanwe | Yaniel: On android/ios 3d games work well on phones. | 09:15 |
| Nicd- | Osanwe: true, but without users there won't be game | 09:15 |
| Nicd- | games* | 09:15 |
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| Nicd- | even in 2D there are only a few games for SFOS | 09:16 |
| Nicd- | and they are really simple | 09:16 |
| carepack | how the output should look when test_gps got sucessfully got the location? saw tracking for a short time. then switched back to nmea info | 09:16 |
| lainwir3d | well you can always play android games | 09:16 |
| lainwir3d | the few I tried seems to work quite well | 09:16 |
| carepack | sorry. wrong window | 09:17 |
| lainwir3d | Not as good as native one thought I agree | 09:17 |
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| Osanwe | Nicd-: I've seen them. But I want better graphics | 09:17 |
| Nicd- | Osanwe: no one will make them because there are so few users | 09:17 |
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| Nicd- | and you can't get paid for your app | 09:18 |
| Nicd- | there is no incentive | 09:18 |
| Osanwe | lainwir3d: I've tried Hearthstone. It works better than on my android phone but sometimes it crashes because of high temperature | 09:18 |
| lainwir3d | oooh... I've tried angry birds and candy crush I think | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d | last one used to crash a lot (~1yr ago, haven't tried since then) | 09:19 |
| Osanwe | Nicd-: donation? 0AD for example use this | 09:19 |
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| Nicd- | Osanwe: 0 AD is not available for any mobile platform :) | 09:21 |
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| Osanwe | Nicd-: I know. It's just an example ;) | 09:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | wahuu update! :D | 10:58 |
| tortoisedoc | this is almost like christmas ^^ | 10:58 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | lainwir3d: I saw a particle based water simulator that was in 3D | 11:00 |
| Vae_DuckZ | lainwir3d: not a game eh, but it had proper 3D spheres all over the place | 11:00 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, there's cool stuff in 3D | 11:01 |
| Vae_DuckZ | for sailfishos I meant | 11:01 |
| lainwir3d | I'm particulary impressed by some webgl demo | 11:01 |
| lainwir3d | oh, yeah :) | 11:01 |
| Yaniel | yeah the sph toy is cool | 11:01 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'm trying to write a 2D game myself, but time is always too little and nobody's willing to help | 11:02 |
| Vae_DuckZ | that's the problem everybody faces, and there's only so much a one man army can do | 11:02 |
| Vae_DuckZ | for some reason it seems that if you lock 100 game programmers in a room you will end up with 100 shitty games :/ | 11:03 |
| faenil | aard_: about the android app running in background, will it be relaunched if OOM kills it? | 11:06 |
| aard_ | faenil: most likely not | 11:07 |
| faenil | aard_: ok, so it doesn't fix whatsapp yet :( | 11:07 |
| faenil | aard_: thanks for the info | 11:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | grumble | 11:11 |
| tortoisedoc | update fails due to no disk space :/ | 11:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | (even tho 7 GB free) | 11:11 |
| tortoisedoc | update denied :/ | 11:13 |
| Vae_DuckZ | if the dude who wrote the whatsupp client for sf gives up on the idea of running a daemon and changing the freaking phone led, we can have wattsup on the jolla store and that fixes it | 11:13 |
| tortoisedoc | Vae_DuckZ : its not so simple | 11:14 |
| tortoisedoc | autostart does not completely work yet | 11:14 |
| Vae_DuckZ | at least until jolla opens up their Accounts page for plugins, so whatsup can integrate with xmpp and sms | 11:14 |
| Hartzi | :o | 11:17 |
| anYc | yay, new release \o/ | 11:17 |
| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: whatsapp... xmpp, HEH. | 11:18 |
| anYc | "preparing update" means btrfs balance? | 11:19 |
| tortoisedoc | anYc : if it is, balance does not help for me :/ | 11:19 |
| anYc | I'm just guessing as I didn't notice it during last update and it shows up for quite a while now | 11:20 |
| anYc | ah no, now it shows a notification that it will do some "optimizations" before upgrading | 11:20 |
| anYc | may take up to an hour /o\ | 11:21 |
| anYc | :) | 11:21 |
| tathhu | rip :D | 11:21 |
| tortoisedoc | rip? :D | 11:22 |
| * Vae_DuckZ haz no update | 11:22 | |
| anYc | yes, forgot to say it's a preview release | 11:22 |
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| anYc | or early access release in jolla terms | 11:23 |
| tathhu | tortoisedoc: i'm sure my jolla will explode :D last time upgrading lol | 11:24 |
| tortoisedoc | argh | 11:24 |
| tortoisedoc | need to find a way to do balancing | 11:24 |
| tortoisedoc | as a side note | 11:25 |
| tortoisedoc | this feels like windows 3.1 and defrag all over again :D | 11:25 |
| anYc | hehe | 11:25 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | lol defrag | 11:26 |
| anYc | we need such a GUI to give this satisfying feeling when every block is nicely ordered at the beginning and not distributed across the complete disk | 11:27 |
| tathhu | :DD | 11:28 |
| tortoisedoc | anYc : jokes apart, user-friendly brtfs ui's would probably be quite popylar | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | anYc : jokes apart, user-friendly brtfs ui's would probably be quite popular | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | oh the old defrag UI <3 | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | we used to watch that for hours | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | ofc once released jolla would probably switch to ext4 :D | 11:29 |
| * tortoisedoc remembers the "Now its 4%!" | 11:29 | |
| tortoisedoc | good old times | 11:30 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I switched to linux in 2010 and I had completely forgot even the sound of the word :D | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | has anyone attempted the rebalancing? | 11:31 |
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| Yaniel | it was done in 5min for me | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | Vae_DuckZ : I switched to linux SFOS in 2012, and now have to go through that pain agaaain :D | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | Yaniel: instructions? | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | sailfish in 2012? | 11:31 |
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| Nicd- | you sure? :P | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | digging from the web opens pandora's box | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | ok 2013 maybe? :P | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc | no | 11:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | :D | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc | it was 2012 no? | 11:32 |
| Yaniel | devel-su btrfs fi balance / start | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | it was 2013 | 11:32 |
| Yaniel | or if you are on 1.1.6, let the update GUI do its magic | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | I know because I was there at the launch party :P | 11:32 |
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| tathhu | Damn | 11:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | Yaniel : unknown token / :/ | 11:33 |
| tortoisedoc | (syntax is same as yours) | 11:33 |
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| Yaniel | hm apparently it is `btrfs balance start /` now | 11:33 |
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| Yaniel | with devel-su obviously | 11:34 |
| tortoisedoc | yes! :) | 11:34 |
| anYc | yeah, btrfs could definitely use some "plumber" love with GUIs and tools on Linux in general | 11:34 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks Yaniel | 11:34 |
| tathhu | bbut who needs gui!1! terminal is so much faster!1!11 | 11:34 |
| tortoisedoc | faster? :D | 11:34 |
| tathhu | shh. | 11:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | Yaniel : hmm how do I know how the brtfs balancing is going? no status update it seems :/ | 11:43 |
| Yaniel | you can open another terminal or ssh in | 11:43 |
| Yaniel | and run btrfs balance status / | 11:43 |
| Yaniel | don't ctrl-c or otherwise kill the actual balancing though | 11:43 |
| Yaniel | worst case you'll brick the phone | 11:43 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 11:44 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | so when this update goes mainstream should I update overnight? | 12:31 |
| tortoisedoc | Vae_DuckZ : remember to defrag :P | 12:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | tortoisedoc: it happens automatically, no? | 12:32 |
| tathhu | Yes | 12:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | yes i know, it was just a mean hint :D | 12:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ah :P | 12:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | btw, speaking of other thigs, my coworker has this cool mat on his desk where he can put his phone and it will charge without any cables | 12:33 |
| Vae_DuckZ | idk what phone he's got, but it doesn't work with mine... is there such a thing for jolla? | 12:34 |
| tortoisedoc | yahoo installing update now! :d | 12:34 |
| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: somewhere.. yes :D | 12:35 |
| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: funkytoh had qi-tohs but don't know if still got | 12:35 |
| tathhu | diy | 12:35 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | https://together.jolla.com/question/76202/list-other-halves/ discontinued :( | 12:37 |
| Vae_DuckZ | wth coderus makes hardware? | 12:37 |
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| inte` | I still want a smartcard TOH to use with gnupg smartcards :) | 12:42 |
| attah | inte`: cool idea! iZettle would be nice too | 12:43 |
| tortoisedoc | inte` : how do you preload the smartcard? | 12:45 |
| inte` | on a seperate computer | 12:45 |
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| inte` | i guess it doesnt really make sense to store gpg keys on the phone | 12:45 |
| TemeV | When do we get sdk update? :) | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | inte` : hmm as key storer eh | 12:46 |
| inte` | already suggested it here:https://together.jolla.com/question/887/gpg-for-email-and-other-stuff/ | 12:46 |
| inte` | there is no way to extract keys from the card | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | inte` : given you can detach the oth, maybe its not the best place | 12:46 |
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| tortoisedoc | also, how easy would it be to pocket-read the smartcard? | 12:46 |
| inte` | but you can still generate them on the card itself | 12:46 |
| inte` | alternatively, you could also use a smartcard | 12:47 |
| tortoisedoc | yea but | 12:47 |
| inte` | tortoisedoc: i was rather thinking about a full sized reader | 12:47 |
| tortoisedoc | assuming you have a oth with a smartcard chip | 12:47 |
| tortoisedoc | if someone else gets ahold of the oth with the smartcard chip | 12:47 |
| inte` | in which you insert the card when you need it | 12:47 |
| tortoisedoc | he will have your keys | 12:47 |
| inte` | tortoisedoc: you usually use it for subkeys which you can revoke then | 12:48 |
| inte` | plus, they are usually pw proteced | 12:48 |
| inte` | if you store the key on the phone, someone might just install a rootkit and grep them | 12:49 |
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| inte` | well, not even a rootkit | 12:49 |
| inte` | just gain access by any means | 12:49 |
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| inte` | However, apart from "mutt" there is still no solution for utilizing gpg on the jolla natively | 12:50 |
| inte` | that will of course change with the tablet where we can hopefully use sth. like Kontact (which is KDE/QT5) and a yubikey via USBhost | 12:51 |
| inte` | not too comfortable, still, since Kontact touch is depreacted and wasnt ported to KDE5, unfortunately | 12:53 |
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| olpe | 1.1.7.24 feels smooth | 14:24 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | inte`: https://github.com/harrisj/qrencoder/issues/11 | 15:01 |
| Vae_DuckZ | inte`: maybe putting some effort in compressing keys... I don't know how... you could embed a private key on a business card in your wallet and scan it every time you need it | 15:02 |
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| anYc | does someone know what to put into "server address" field and addressbook/calendar path for owncloud with the latest update? | 17:31 |
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| carepack | https://together.jolla.com/question/60493/new-carddavcaldav-support-got-to-it-working-with-owncloud/ | 17:38 |
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| datakurre | kimmoli: Should scandic layout now work with TOHKBD and the new SFO update? | 18:23 |
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| kimmoli | no | 18:24 |
| datakurre | kimmoli: Ok. | 18:25 |
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| kimmoli | i'm on holidays now (also from tohkbd) so i'll continue with this after a week or so | 18:25 |
| kimmoli | but if someone manages to get it working (as assumed that it should work with BT keyboards) PR is welcome | 18:26 |
| kimmoli | and you'll be hero of 1000 vir.. eh tohkbd'ers | 18:26 |
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| inte` | Vae_DuckZ a gpg smart card is still better since it will be locked after three false pin entrys just like a gsm sim | 18:39 |
| inte` | there is a supercode, which will block the card after 10 false entries forever | 18:40 |
| datakurre | Wondering, what "physical keyboard" in the lastest SFO update would mean if it doesn't meant BT keyboards... | 18:40 |
| inte` | the tohkbd? | 18:42 |
| inte` | plus bt probably | 18:43 |
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| anYc | carepack: thanks, but there's a lot of info in this thread, but I got it now | 19:14 |
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| * coderus is busy this week, and cant update patches NOW | 22:36 | |
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| r0kk3rz | naow! | 22:41 |
| r0kk3rz | which patches need patching coderus? | 22:41 |
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| coderus | all homescreen patches | 22:42 |
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| inte` | I understand it was wise to not install the latest update yet :) | 23:38 |
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