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| Price15 | Did a factory rest now phone doesnt boot, ideas anyone? | 06:00 |
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| Yaniel | does recovery mode work? | 06:05 |
| Yaniel | see tjc or zendesk for instructions | 06:06 |
| Price15 | Yaniel: my phone had stopped working when I made changes to build.prop | 06:07 |
| Price15 | So I restored to original build.prop. Then Phone stopped turning on | 06:07 |
| Yaniel | umm.. where? that sounds like a file in a qt creator project | 06:07 |
| Price15 | I accessed recovery mode on my linux computer and backed up files with netcat | 06:08 |
| Yaniel | check the usual btrfs fi show | 06:08 |
| Price15 | build.prop is an android file from aliendalvik | 06:08 |
| Price15 | When I did a factory reset the phone worked and start the downloading update | 06:09 |
| Price15 | Then I noticed that update stopped downloading and apps would crash on open | 06:10 |
| Yaniel | but failed to install the update? | 06:10 |
| Yaniel | sounds like full fs | 06:10 |
| Price15 | so I did a reboot and then now in recovery mode I cant reset again | 06:10 |
| Yaniel | try rebalancing the fs from recovery mode | 06:11 |
| Yaniel | if it boots then, good, update and rebalance again | 06:11 |
| Yaniel | if not, contact care | 06:11 |
| Price15 | rebalancing the fs? I trying to look that up | 06:14 |
| coderus | anybody who used org.freedesktop.Notifications.GetNotifications before update, can you check plese if it working now? | 06:14 |
| Yaniel | there is an article on tjc with a title of "filesystem full causing all sorts of problems" or so | 06:15 |
| Yaniel | the essential command is btrfs balance / start | 06:15 |
| Yaniel | note that it takes its time and may brick the device if cancelled with ctrl+c | 06:16 |
| coderus | and may brick the device if cancelled with ctrl+c [11:16] [coderus(+i)] [3:freenode/#sailfishos(+cnst)] [Act: 2,5,6,9,10,11] | 06:16 |
| coderus | [#sailfishos] | 06:16 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 06:16 |
| Yaniel | thabks coderus | 06:16 |
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| Price15 | Label: 'sailfish' uuid: 4b9a7c4f-83c2-49be-b2b7-6fe67cc12eae | 06:22 |
| Price15 | Total devices 1 FS bytes used 1.06GB | 06:22 |
| Price15 | devid 1 size 13.75GB used 10.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 06:22 |
| Price15 | is this a problem? | 06:22 |
| Yaniel | that is a lot of metadata there | 06:23 |
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| Price15 | I did a factory reset doesnt that wipe the data? | 06:24 |
| Yaniel | wait I have to check if fs bytes there means actual files or metadata | 06:25 |
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| Price15 | Yaniel: I dont have an SD card is this the problem? | 06:50 |
| Yaniel | no | 06:52 |
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| Price15 | Is there a separate recoverymenu to reset on phones after they are reseted once | 07:11 |
| Yaniel | IIRC that was added in a later update so unfortunately no | 07:12 |
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| Price15 | I typed the password and it kept showing up as the wrong password now I am locked for 24h | 07:22 |
| Price15 | Today is not my day | 07:22 |
| tathhu | Damn | 07:25 |
| tathhu | I did that once but reboot unlocked :o | 07:25 |
| tathhu | Oh no it was permanent lock but still, wtf | 07:25 |
| Price15 | The funny things is I was in recovery now I cant turn it off. | 07:27 |
| Price15 | I could try removing the battery but it might worsen the situation | 07:28 |
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| coderus | btrfs fi show / | 07:35 |
| coderus | to check better fs status than just fi show | 07:36 |
| coderus | oh whatt i wrote | 07:36 |
| coderus | brtfs fi df / | 07:36 |
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| daitheflu | Hi | 07:38 |
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| jpakkane | coderus: regarding your issue with statefs-context-manager, we checked and it works on a stock install. Your output has it trying to install version 1.15 which is not in the release repos of 1.1.6. Please check that you have not enabled any extra repos that interfere with the official ones. | 07:40 |
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| Price15 | coderus: thanks for the help. There isnt anything I can do now | 07:43 |
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| coderus | jpakkane: i'm using clean install here, on windows mackine with no any hacks yet :) | 07:57 |
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| coderus | jpakkane: i have received update in qtc today, installed it, and now i even have no contextkit-statefs in repos: https://gist.github.com/CODeRUS/0c4e9e42674db5b7bddb | 08:01 |
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| coderus | ah, it's named statefs-contextkit-subscriber-devel | 08:03 |
| coderus | but somehow it have not been installed by qtc pkgconfig | 08:03 |
| coderus | so, installed it manually and no previous error, seems you fixed it, and now telling me there is was no issue ;) | 08:04 |
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| faenil | lpotter: probably more in topic here :) | 10:02 |
| faenil | so, WiFi indicator in homescreen shows that it's connected to something with 0 signal | 10:02 |
| faenil | but in settings WiFi is disabled | 10:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Oo | 10:02 |
| faenil | and if I go to wifi page it's *empty* | 10:02 |
| faenil | it only has WiFi label at the top | 10:03 |
| faenil | no toggles, nothing, no list | 10:03 |
| faenil | just WLAN on top right, and back indicator on top left | 10:03 |
| faenil | the rest is completely blank | 10:03 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | faenil: tried rebooting ? | 10:10 |
| SfietKonstantinW | + any disturbing stuff in journal ? | 10:10 |
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| faenil | SfietKonstantinW: you never reboot if you want to tackle the bug :P | 10:14 |
| faenil | but since lpotter is probably asleep or having dinner, I'll probably reboot and let it fade into the void | 10:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | faenil: journal before: ) | 10:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :p | 10:16 |
| faenil | I'm working :/ | 10:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ... | 10:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ok then | 10:17 |
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| faenil | I'll get it before rebooting when I have a few mins | 10:17 |
| faenil | now all usb cables are used can't detach :D | 10:17 |
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| chem|st | what do I need to do to hardreset accounts (what file to delete?) | 10:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :D | 10:17 |
| tathhu | faenil: detach anyway #yolo | 10:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | chem|st: try to run jolla-settings acount using strace ? | 10:18 |
| faenil | tathhu: ahah :) | 10:18 |
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| chem|st | SfietKonstantinW: not my device, $user stuck on store-upgrade not working, either accounts shredded or FS ro.... so I want to give a simple rm /... command | 10:19 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | chem|st: don't know accounts much sorry :( | 10:20 |
| chem|st | me neither | 10:21 |
| chem|st | settings is crashing when tapping accounts, or when it does it says after creation opps could not store app keys | 10:22 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:06 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 12:18 |
| _inte_ | i somehow got stuck with the sailfishos-eventsview-controls-remastered-patch-0.0.19-1.armv7hl patch | 12:19 |
| _inte_ | i can neither remove it nor install the update | 12:19 |
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| _inte_ | i mean, i can remove the rpm | 12:19 |
| _inte_ | ok, I just saw i can indeed remove it | 12:21 |
| _inte_ | but this version seems to be incompatible with 1.6.27 | 12:21 |
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| _inte_ | 1.1.6.27 | 12:23 |
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| _inte_ | when removing the rpm, I get an errormessage from patchmanager the the removal of the patch failed | 12:25 |
| _inte_ | however, it seems to be removed | 12:25 |
| _inte_ | the rpm was uninstalled and the eventsview settings are gone | 12:25 |
| _inte_ | when reinstalling the patch, the eventsview settings appear again | 12:26 |
| _inte_ | im however unable to apply the patch | 12:26 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I don't think it's my impression, lots of apps on the jolla store do get abandoned while still unfinished | 12:31 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I've commented to a number of apps and I've only got one reply in the past few days | 12:32 |
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| Armadillo | I think the development will be pushed with the tablet release because of many new users | 12:34 |
| Vae_DuckZ | check tiny tiny rss, markat, ytplayer, tweetian, file browser, kanji, maps, meecast, owncloud client, sailimgur, sidudict | 12:34 |
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| Armadillo | Maps got an update in the last weeks | 12:35 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I hope so, because all of the apps above are inactive, and that's all I checked + quakefish, where the dev actually replied | 12:35 |
| Vae_DuckZ | that's almost 100% | 12:35 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Armadillo: but they never replied to any of the messages posted there | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | walokra might want to comment on sailimgur :P | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | jolla doesn't reply to store comments | 12:36 |
| Vae_DuckZ | anyways, it's still 2 out of 12 | 12:36 |
| Armadillo | well Jolla never replies to any messages of their apps ;) | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | and it's not easy for devs to reply on harbour because there is no UI except the phone | 12:36 |
| Armadillo | exactly | 12:36 |
| daitheflu | I guess devs don't want to update their app for 1.x | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | you don't even get notifications for messages and there is no reply functionality | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | so many don't bother | 12:36 |
| Armadillo | there also is no email information for new comments | 12:36 |
| daitheflu | they are waiting 2.x | 12:37 |
| Vae_DuckZ | whatever you say, but those apps are still awaiting updates since a long time, except meecast maybe, although even that one is still a bit buggy | 12:38 |
| Armadillo | well the majority of the devs do this in their free time | 12:38 |
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| Armadillo | same for me | 12:39 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | hopefully sf2 will come with a store that allows paid apps then | 12:39 |
| Armadillo | because of no free time in the last half year the update for takslist was delayed ofr months | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | but it's true that many apps are abandoned. you can't get money and the user amounts are really small | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | so it's easy to lose motivation | 12:39 |
| Armadillo | well, I think Flattr is a good step, but the store really needs heavy improvements | 12:40 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: I see some apps now show a donation button, not sure when that was introduced but it's already something | 12:40 |
| Armadillo | and I don't think it is to much work to integrate for example such simple things like emails notifications | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | flattr isn't even allowed for finnish devs if you read the law strictly | 12:40 |
| Armadillo | hm well I'm not finish :P | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | though it's the same for any donations | 12:40 |
| Armadillo | +n | 12:40 |
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| Armadillo | Vae_DuckZ: it was introduced last week | 12:41 |
| Armadillo | btw filebrowser also got an on march | 12:43 |
| Armadillo | +update | 12:43 |
| _inte_ | Armadillo: Are you the auther of the famous Tasklist app? | 12:44 |
| Armadillo | erm famous maybe, author yes | 12:44 |
| Armadillo | :D | 12:44 |
| _inte_ | :) | 12:44 |
| _inte_ | its great I love it | 12:45 |
| Armadillo | great :) | 12:45 |
| _inte_ | just saw your nickname is same as in github | 12:45 |
| _inte_ | did you read my comment about the Producteev API? | 12:45 |
| tathhu | W00t | 12:45 |
| Armadillo | sure | 12:45 |
| tathhu | Todo-app which got an upadte :o | 12:45 |
| _inte_ | Thought as both the API as your app uses json | 12:46 |
| Armadillo | I have to read about it in the next days | 12:46 |
| tathhu | Isn't there like 5 of them | 12:46 |
| Vae_DuckZ | it is famous, I'm a user me too :) | 12:46 |
| _inte_ | Armadillo: great! :) | 12:46 |
| Armadillo | just jumped to their site, but had no time for futhrt research | 12:46 |
| _inte_ | sure | 12:46 |
| tathhu | Armadillo: landscape <3<3<3 | 12:46 |
| Armadillo | :) | 12:47 |
| _inte_ | of course it would be better to not having to rely on third pary cloud services | 12:47 |
| Armadillo | btw there's also some sort of tohkbd support since the last version ;) | 12:47 |
| Armadillo | yes the goal is the pure caldav support | 12:47 |
| _inte_ | but on the other hand, this producteev stuff doesnt seem to bad and eventually it only a tasklist :) | 12:47 |
| _inte_ | Armadillo: THAT would of course be amazing! | 12:48 |
| tathhu | Armadillo: would be cool if orientation lock stays locked when i close the app :P | 12:48 |
| Armadillo | hm | 12:48 |
| urjaman | tathhu: there's a global orientation lock in the settings | 12:49 |
| tathhu | Or set persistent lock | 12:49 |
| tathhu | urjaman: sailfish? i know | 12:49 |
| tathhu | I'm not using everything in landscape :o | 12:49 |
| Armadillo | great to see, that also other people than my girlfriend uses this lock feature :D | 12:49 |
| tortoisedoc | can anyone tell | 12:49 |
| urjaman | oh i dunno about what you're using ... and it doesnt allow reverse landscape | 12:49 |
| tortoisedoc | how it comes by default qt compiles in the qt_network_lib? Even tho my app is not using it at all? | 12:50 |
| tortoisedoc | (aka there is -DQT_NETWORK_LIB) | 12:50 |
| tathhu | urjaman: i saw reverse on sfos2 videos :o | 12:50 |
| urjaman | but anyways orientation forces by an app for themselves are per-app so i thought it was very odd to ask such to persist when you close the app | 12:50 |
| urjaman | tathhu: okay cool they added it in that then... in 1.1.6 it doesnt | 12:50 |
| tathhu | not sure if we're going to see that but.. | 12:51 |
| Armadillo | tathhu: https://github.com/Armadill0/harbour-tasklist/issues/52 ;) | 12:51 |
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| tathhu | Armadillo: \o/ | 12:51 |
| tathhu | Armadillo: you'll see a donation when i have money :o | 12:53 |
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| Armadillo | haha thanks ;) | 12:53 |
| _inte_ | is this json stuff somewhat standardized? | 12:53 |
| Armadillo | yes | 12:53 |
| _inte_ | or is it more like xml ? | 12:53 |
| _inte_ | Armadillo: so json tasks from your app might simply appear in producteev when send through the app? | 12:54 |
| _inte_ | i just signed up for an account - however, the export feature of the webinterface is xml only | 12:54 |
| _inte_ | otherwise i could have tried to import an json file from your app :-( | 12:55 |
| Armadillo | I really don't know, I'll keep you updated in the Github issue in the next days ;) | 12:55 |
| _inte_ | hehe cool no hurry | 12:55 |
| _inte_ | just curious | 12:55 |
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| Armadillo | although you could try to import it | 12:55 |
| Armadillo | you know where to find the data export? | 12:55 |
| Armadillo | it's in the pushup menu on the main page, the file paths are also shown there | 12:56 |
| _inte_ | jep i know | 12:56 |
| _inte_ | but to be honest | 12:56 |
| Armadillo | afk next meeting... :) | 12:57 |
| _inte_ | i just realized producteev seems only to support EXPORT in their interface, not import | 12:57 |
| _inte_ | i will try vice versa, though :-) | 12:57 |
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| _inte_ | oh, and its csv | 12:58 |
| _inte_ | too bad :-( | 12:59 |
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| _inte_ | Armadillo: I guess you will read it once back. Exported csv from producteev looks somewhat similar to json files from Tasklist but miss mandatory items like id-numbers or creation dates. Maybe possible when export pure jason through the API, but not through the webinterface | 13:07 |
| _inte_ | json | 13:07 |
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| Armadillo | _inte_: thanks | 13:29 |
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| walokra | Vae_DuckZ: sailimgur is active, updated a month ago. waiting for gstreamer. i dont check store for comments actively. | 13:34 |
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| walokra | there's no notification about comments :/ | 13:35 |
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| Armadillo | there are no notifications for anything :-/ | 13:37 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | walokra: as I've already said in the past though, this gives a really bad feeling to the user | 14:03 |
| Vae_DuckZ | checking the comments of one app once every two days surely is not too much to do for anybody, no? it's not like you have dozens of apps to follow either | 14:04 |
| Vae_DuckZ | not everybody comes to irc to double check | 14:06 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'm trying to say that ignoring comments doesn't benefit to sf imho | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | harbour not having a sane comment UI does not benefit Sailfish | 14:07 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: I agree | 14:08 |
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| daitheflu | Nicd-: +1 | 14:08 |
| Vae_DuckZ | but they've been ignoring this problem afaict, so the workaround I'm proposing is that app developers manually check comments | 14:09 |
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| pketolai | getting the comments in harbour and notifying developer about stuff via email is in the roadmap | 14:41 |
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| pketolai | email notifications about approval/rejection should not be too far in the future | 14:42 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I hope that fixes things | 15:04 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | the last comment on the tweetian app page hit the nail on the head | 15:05 |
| Vae_DuckZ | but maybe jolla's attitude is backed up by their confidence in sf2, maybe they have some interesting card they're waiting to play | 15:06 |
| tathhu | Isn't Vesku(h) still in... somewhere? | 15:08 |
| tathhu | But yeah | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | Vae_DuckZ: or cards! | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:08 |
| Vae_DuckZ | fingers crossed! I don't want to switch to android! :) | 15:09 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | ah, anybody knows about tizen? has it been released at all? | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | it was | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | samsung z1 | 15:11 |
| Raim | Vae_DuckZ: Samsung Z1 with Tizen was announced merely a week ago. very low-end, less than $100. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | week ago? thought longer | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | in india | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | in january | 15:12 |
| Vae_DuckZ | yeah, I just found their blog, india only | 15:12 |
| Raim | Stskeeps: uhm, right. I read about it last week and thought it was new. sorry. | 15:14 |
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| _inte_ | so, nokia making smartphones from next year | 15:14 |
| _inte_ | so, what is your guess - Android/SFOS/Tizen/...WindowsPhone(SCNR)? | 15:15 |
| _inte_ | maybe even blackberryOS, who knows...:-) | 15:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | _inte_: haven't they been spitting out those jolla-looking lumias for a while now? | 15:16 |
| _inte_ | those were sold to microsoft in (afair) 2013 | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | _inte_: branded AOSP phones at a wild guess | 15:16 |
| _inte_ | they dont even have Nokia written on it since some time | 15:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | _inte_: the whole company got sold to ms, that's why they stick windows os on everything these days | 15:17 |
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| _inte_ | Well the phone making part, yeah | 15:17 |
| _inte_ | but Nokia kept the patents | 15:17 |
| _inte_ | and they started making an android tablet recently | 15:17 |
| _inte_ | Stskeeps: yeah probably | 15:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | eh really? I thought ms had more control, like when they canceled those smartwatches nokia was making | 15:18 |
| _inte_ | It would be much nicer if they'd allow it to run sfos as well | 15:18 |
| _inte_ | Vae_DuckZ: N1.nokia.com | 15:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | yeah | 15:18 |
| _inte_ | smartwatches were developed by the part of the company which already belongs to MS | 15:19 |
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| _inte_ | The Tablet was developed by Nokia(FI) aka Nokia Technologies | 15:19 |
| _inte_ | and it seems to be by far not the worst android tablet on the market | 15:20 |
| _inte_ | well, but its still android | 15:20 |
| Vae_DuckZ | that looks nice | 15:20 |
| _inte_ | of course we want SFOS | 15:20 |
| _inte_ | very similar hardware to the Jolla tablet, maybe SFOS will be possible one day... | 15:21 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'll follow it, although I'm already waiting to get the jolla tablet, so I don't need to buy another one | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | very different, actually, theirs is the powervr | 15:21 |
| _inte_ | whoops really | 15:21 |
| _inte_ | thanks for updating me | 15:21 |
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| _inte_ | thought they were similar except for the ram or sth | 15:22 |
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| * _inte_ ordered the jolla tablet as well :-) | 15:25 | |
| _inte_ | plus the very nice case they offered in the beginning | 15:25 |
| _inte_ | the foldable one | 15:25 |
| Vae_DuckZ | me too! the lastu one, right? | 15:26 |
| _inte_ | hopefully it will be shipped shortly | 15:26 |
| _inte_ | Vae_DuckZ: I guess so | 15:26 |
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| _inte_ | sounds familiar | 15:26 |
| Vae_DuckZ | end of july I think | 15:26 |
| _inte_ | eventually I figured out to solve the eventsview control issue i mentioned in the afternoon | 15:27 |
| _inte_ | --removed all patches, removed ausmt, removed the patchmanager dir and reinstalled and applied from the scratch | 15:27 |
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| _inte_ | Vae_DuckZ: it got somewhat delayed even though i thoug end of june | 15:28 |
| jjanvier | hello there | 15:28 |
| _inte_ | but end of july is also not too far :-) | 15:28 |
| jjanvier | my jolla has been stolen for the second time | 15:28 |
| jjanvier | it sby sells a second hand jolla, please let me know :) | 15:29 |
| _inte_ | i guess you do something wrong :-( | 15:29 |
| _inte_ | do you have this tool running | 15:29 |
| _inte_ | forgot the name | 15:29 |
| _inte_ | to relocate stolen devices | 15:29 |
| Vae_DuckZ | is there such a thing? | 15:29 |
| _inte_ | yeah | 15:29 |
| urjaman | for the jolla? | 15:30 |
| _inte_ | i installed it once but never really used it | 15:30 |
| _inte_ | its called prey | 15:32 |
| _inte_ | and its on openrepos | 15:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | pf I don't use openrepos | 15:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | :/ | 15:32 |
| _inte_ | ah, obviously its obsolet now | 15:32 |
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| _inte_ | my jolla has a crack in the screen and after lying in the rain the little dot besides the camera went red | 15:35 |
| _inte_ | but it's still working | 15:35 |
| _inte_ | not too interesting for thiefs anymore i guess | 15:35 |
| Vae_DuckZ | speaking of spare parts, where can I buy an extra battery? | 15:36 |
| jjanvier | _inte_: no I didn't have this tool | 15:37 |
| jjanvier | I would have installed it if I know it existed :( | 15:37 |
| _inte_ | jjanvier: sorry | 15:37 |
| _inte_ | maybe sth for your next jolla | 15:37 |
| _inte_ | sure | 15:37 |
| jjanvier | definitely :) | 15:37 |
| jjanvier | or maybe I should wait for jolla2 ? | 15:37 |
| jjanvier | no clue about an ETA | 15:37 |
| _inte_ | wasnt their an interview recently where some jolla staff announced they were to present a hardware partner "later in summer"? | 15:38 |
| _inte_ | hopeful a strange coincedence this sounds similar to what nokia said:) | 15:39 |
| _inte_ | a pureview phone running sfos would just be amazing! | 15:39 |
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| _inte_ | i dare not to raise to many hopes in that, though | 15:41 |
| jjanvier | I guess I can wait a few months before ordering another one :) | 15:41 |
| jjanvier | thanks for the news | 15:42 |
| _inte_ | well, the nokia tale wasn't actually news | 15:43 |
| _inte_ | just wild speculations :-) | 15:43 |
| _inte_ | but for prey, hth | 15:43 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Won't think about Nokia at all | 15:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Nokia have their Z launcher, why ditch it ? | 15:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and they do Android | 15:53 |
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| chem|st | now with nokia selling their last good piece of software... nokia has only z-launcher left and that is not that a selling point... SFOS+Nokia-Hardware+HERE-offline has 3 unique selling points, Nokia-Hardware+Android is one unique selling point with one show stopper^^ | 16:04 |
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| _inte_ | jep | 16:15 |
| _inte_ | especially since sfos runs virtually any android app but has its own ecosystem as well | 16:15 |
| _inte_ | i barely use dalvik on mine | 16:16 |
| _inte_ | the only reason for me to use dalvik is for playing quizduell at the moment | 16:16 |
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| Lagg | Anyone have any suggestions/recommendations for installing Sailfish on the n1? I've been waiting forever for the ability to but I'm only seeing stuff about the n4 and I'm pretty much sick of android at this point. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | nexus one? | 16:39 |
| Lagg | Yeah | 16:40 |
| Lagg | It doesn't really help that google appears to not be interested in keeping android slim and clean anymore. Damn shame too because /that/ android was the one I paid money to support. Oh well. I'm running Cyanogenmod on it at the moment but now that's starting to bloat out too | 16:40 |
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| Lagg | I can't imagine the same happening to sailfish because it looks generally more hackable. It's just that I can't buy a new model phone | 16:41 |
| Lagg | and I don't think I need to because for all intents and purposes sailfish can run in those specs. Or at least it could last time I tried finding ways to install it | 16:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Lagg: it can happen to Sailfish too | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | you can try over in #sailfishos-porters | 16:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but what sailors did well is to have several components | 16:42 |
| Lagg | SfietKonstantinW: Well yes, but unless they lied about their mission statement and design goals it's a lot less easy of a system to become trapped with | 16:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | if you want a not-so-much bloated device, don't take everything | 16:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ah | 16:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | indeed | 16:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | that's true | 16:43 |
| Lagg | I didn't, I even removed *more* builtin apps from CM. But it's the core desktop environment that is at issue I think. | 16:43 |
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| Lagg | Like the window manager and such, they've screwed with it so that the GPU acceleration doesn't matter very much | 16:43 |
| mal- | Lagg: isn't nexus one quite old already? | 16:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Lagg: actually it seems that google is doing a lot of effort to have better performances | 16:44 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (project butter / volta) | 16:44 |
| Lagg | Rolling pretty close on 5 years yeah. But it's pretty hard to rationalize them failing to make the very core of the OS run well within those specs when I can run KDE on the same somewhat usably | 16:44 |
| SfietKonstantinW | still, Android 5.0 (at least) is a huge mess | 16:44 |
| Lagg | Yeah I've heard that. Which is kind of scary since I think I'm running a 2 or 3 forked CM | 16:44 |
| mal- | Lagg: the low memory might cause some problems but I have been running sailfish on my 512 MB phone quite well, multitasking might be slightly limited | 16:46 |
| Lagg | Oh and that reminds me: No dalvik java crap with sailfish unless I specifically want it. It isn't IE levels of overly integrated (which begs the question as to why it is in android, I get the reasoning so that people could port away from BREW, but come on. It's been years) | 16:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | mal-: what eats ram actually on SFOS ? | 16:46 |
| Lagg | mal-: Moreso than it would be for me on android at this point? | 16:46 |
| mal- | SfietKonstantinW: lipstick takes about 15%, that's the biggest I think | 16:47 |
| mal- | Lagg: difficult to say | 16:47 |
| mal- | Lagg: I think the base system takes about 300+ MB of memory, if I remember correctly | 16:48 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | mal-: hum ... | 16:48 |
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| Lagg | I actually don't multitask that much anyway. I use my phone for a phone a lot of the time and otherwise just mess around with single apps at a time. Also Android's resource usage is comparable to that at this stage. | 16:49 |
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| Lagg | At one point I couldn't figure out why I'd take a call and people wouldn't hear me at all but I could hear them. It turns out that an OOM was happening | 16:49 |
| Lagg | Triggering that weird ass bug | 16:50 |
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| Lagg | So no one's seen any guides for n1 I take it? Hm :( | 16:52 |
| Lagg | I know how the bootloader and such works though so there's a pretty good chance I could figure it out myself | 16:52 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Lagg: -> #sailfishos-porters | 16:52 |
| Lagg | Opening those zips and screwing around with the install script is pretty tedious though. Hopefully sailfish doesn't need it. | 16:52 |
| SfietKonstantinW | IIRC there is a N1 port | 16:52 |
| mal- | Lagg: the seems to have been some porting done for n1 but very poor support, ask vgrade on #sailfishos-porters | 16:53 |
| Lagg | Crap, forgot that channel was recommended. Thanks | 16:53 |
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| mal- | the problem might be the cm support for n1, looks like no official cm10.1 or cm11 support | 16:54 |
| mal- | Lagg: which one do you use, if you use cm | 16:54 |
| Lagg | I actually don't remember but it's definitely not recent. It's the last stable line for the n1 | 16:54 |
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| Lagg | Was considering installing a nightly but as much as I hate to admit it my phone is too important for calls to have the radio driver crash or some nonsense | 16:55 |
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| Lagg | SfietKonstantinW: I have a friend that works at google that I used your quote about google's performance projects to poke fun at. Thank you for that. | 17:02 |
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| Lagg | He doesn't work anywhere near this stuff but I thoroughly enjoy making him think that I think everyone at google is responsible for everything. | 17:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :D | 17:03 |
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| walokra | Vae_Duckz is not here but IMHO it's too much to presume that dev checks the app in store even 2-3 days just because there might be comments. devs have other lifes also :) | 18:00 |
| walokra | and every time I want to check my app in store my Jolla's battery is empty :) | 18:00 |
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| Armadillo | good evening | 18:49 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: can you help me? https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/paint/language/ru_RU/ | 19:17 |
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| coderus | sure | 20:04 |
| coderus | kimmoli: sources in github is up to date for testing? | 20:07 |
| kimmoli | coderus: should be | 20:08 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: yes, master branch is up to date | 20:11 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: done, should be okay | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | coderus: thanks | 20:26 |
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