Thursday, 2015-06-18

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daithefluHi07:58
daitheflusomeone reported that my app can't be installed on the phone. I tested it myself, and I confirm, the Store reports an "Installation problem"07:59
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daithefluis there a log file to check or something ?08:00
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Atomimtry installing it with pkcon with -v flag08:04
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daithefluAtomim: thanks, will try it.08:11
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tortoisedocnazanin : hey, could testing reject latest quickbar? that way I can add flattr account :)09:01
tortoisedoc(as  the app is still locked in QA)09:01
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Nicd-wonder if flattr is illegal to put on your app in finland09:04
tortoisedocNicd- : then paypal would be as well?09:07
urjaman...?09:07
tortoisedocor more specifically, paypal donations09:07
Nicd-tortoisedoc: similarly, yes09:07
tortoisedocalso unless you make gazillions out of jolla apps, I doubt the finnish tax office will complain09:08
tortoisedocbut yea, Nicd- is right; there is a chance services like flattr are actually illegal, as you cant get money for nothing in Finland :D09:09
nazanintortoisedoc: let me check09:09
tortoisedocnazanin : thanks09:09
Nicd-it's pretty hazy here, even the officials are conflicted over it09:09
Nicd-but if you are a company or an association, it is totally illegal09:09
Nicd-if you are a private person, they probably won't care09:09
pketolainazanin: tortoisedoc seems that quickbar in harbour is stuck in funny state, I'll fix it09:10
ln-tortoisedoc: it's not about taxes.09:10
nazaninpketolai: okay :)09:10
tortoisedocln- : sure its not, its that the government does not get a piece :P09:11
tortoisedocpketolai : thanks09:11
Nicd-it's actually not about taxes09:11
tortoisedocbut ofc this counts only for donations made in finland i guess09:12
Nicd-but there's a law called "money collection law" which is really hostile towards everything sensible09:12
tortoisedocNicd- : where is this law, in finland?09:12
Nicd-in finland, "rahankeräyslaki"09:13
tortoisedoci can imagine it might have been created to stop begging09:13
Nicd-it's not about begging09:13
Nicd-in fact begging is legal09:14
tortoisedocwhat is it about then :P09:14
Nicd-it's about controlling money collections by associations and companies to prevent fraud and such09:14
Nicd-for example if you are a charity you need to get a permit to collect money to prevent you from taking that money and using it for something else than charity09:14
urjamanits about collecting money "for x" and using it for y09:14
Nicd-http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2006/2006025509:15
urjamanbut practically it is just really annoying and doesnt do much good09:16
Nicd-problem is that the money collection law states that a permit can be given for certain groups. private persons are not one of those groups09:16
Nicd-so the reasoning goes that because a private person can't get such a permit, requesting money is illegal. so donation buttons would be09:17
tortoisedocNicd- : so this boils down to he fact09:17
tortoisedocthat a private person is not a company09:18
tortoisedoc?09:18
tortoisedocor, more generically, a group (which I guess is assumed to have a tax id)09:18
Nicd-no, but that a private person is not listed in the law as a valid group to give the permit to09:18
urjamanand again nothing to do with taxes09:19
urjamanyou can be given money09:19
urjamancant ask for it09:19
ln-a money collection permit can be granted to mostly organizations (not usually companies) that collect the money for the purpose of charity, an educational purpose, or something like that. a company wouldn't be allowed to ask for donations about their app either.09:19
Nicd-the law lists 1) registered associations, 2) certain unregistered associations, 3) the national gallery, 4) the evangelical lutheran church and the orthodox church, 5) universities09:20
tortoisedocit also appears to exempt neighbours :P09:20
Nicd-"neighbor help"09:20
tortoisedocdoes internet fall under neighborhood?09:20
Nicd-no09:21
StskeepsNicd-: well, jolla is almost like a cult so maybe we fit under 4) ... :p09:21
tortoisedoclolz09:21
tortoisedoceducational purpouse could also fit09:22
tortoisedoc"ill gladly take 100000000 € for my education, kthxbye"09:22
tortoisedocjokes apart09:22
tortoisedochow does jolla fit in this picture09:23
tortoisedoci mean, they provide the capability for devs to "ask for donations"09:23
tortoisedocis jolla finnish company?09:23
Yanielyes09:23
tortoisedochmm09:23
Yanieland they have used indiegogo twice now09:23
Stskeeps(jolla HK to be exact)09:24
Nicd-tortoisedoc: they provide the capability but they are not collecting money themselves09:25
Nicd-it's different09:25
tortoisedocStskeeps : jolla HK has used indiegogo?09:27
Nicd-the tablet indiegogo09:27
Stskeepstortoisedoc: yeah, look at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#/story09:28
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Nicd-anyway, the sums are probably so slow that the finnish police are not interested in what sfos devs do :P09:28
Nicd-so low*09:28
tortoisedocwell09:29
tortoisedocthe same approach then applies to all mobile developers who are not companies i guess09:29
tortoisedocdoes not matter for which os09:29
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TemeVoh, I didn't notice before that it is Jolla HK selling the tablet. So Finland basically just lost some tax money due to stupid laws that make croud funding too difficult :)09:33
Yanielwell it was advertised as "preorders"09:35
tortoisedoci wonder where advertisement falls into in this perspective09:35
Yanielwhich is legal09:35
Nicd-tortoisedoc: selling apps is different09:35
Nicd-the money collection law only covers cases where you collect money and give nothing in return (as in a donation)09:35
TemeVYaniel: preorders are leagal, but there was also a change to give donations. That is illegal09:36
TemeV*chance09:38
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nazanintortoisedoc: check the app again now09:49
tortoisedocnazanin : all ok, thanks!09:49
pketolaitortoisedoc: it was stuck because we have a bug regarding the publish date handling when the date is in past. so please remove the publish date before you submit again09:50
tortoisedocpketolai : thanks, I wil09:51
pketolaiwe already have a fix for that but deploying that is bending on some infra updates and other stuff09:51
pketolaipending even09:51
urjaman:P09:52
tortoisedocheh09:53
tortoisedocthanks guys09:53
tortoisedoc100% supportive as always09:53
* urjaman first read that as "too heavy fix, infra is bending"09:53
pketolaiurjaman: sometimes they are also like that ;)09:54
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kbroulikdoes the current sailfish sdk now ship a more recent gcc or still 4.6?10:36
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jpakkanekbroulik: it is still 4.6, the next version will have 4.8.10:40
kbroulikok looking forward to that10:40
Vae_DuckZhello, I'm wondering if I can write a tweet (not a reply) from sailfish without using tweetian10:40
Vae_DuckZI can tweet pictures from the gallery, but what if I just want to send an "hello everybody" message?10:41
daithefluVae_DuckZ: I think you can do that from the Events screen10:42
daithefluVae_DuckZ: you'll need to add you Twitter account first in the Settings app, but it seems like you've already done that10:43
Vae_DuckZdaitheflu: ahh right, I just noticed the "share your ideas" text, which looked like a header but it's clickable10:43
Vae_DuckZyes I did, thanks :)10:43
vrutkovsVae_DuckZ: use 'Share what's on your mind' textbox on Events screen (assuming you have added a Twitter account)10:43
Vae_DuckZvrutkovs: yes I found it, I just used to think it was a plain text just to separate the notifications above from the big twitter icon below10:44
Vae_DuckZI never clicked it10:44
Vae_DuckZto think that I've been enduring this tweetian abandonware for months, thinking there were no alternatives and blaming jolla for not supporting twitter....... :p10:45
Vae_DuckZsorry jolla10:45
* Vae_DuckZ slaps himself10:45
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vrutkovsis there any client which supports both last.fm and bluetooth media control?10:46
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urjamani still think tweetian is a bettr _client_10:46
vrutkovsfor now I'm bound to use either daedalus (and switch tracks manually) or use  jolla-mediaplayer + scrobbler10:46
Vae_DuckZI tried daedalus just yesterday but it messes up with japanese characters, I'll write a comment later to report it10:49
daithefluVae_DuckZ: problem with the provided Twitter support is that you can only read the last 10 tweets from your timeline10:49
daithefluwhich makes it pretty useless10:49
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Vae_DuckZdaitheflu: I thought the whole point of twitter is writing, not reading :p10:51
Vae_DuckZnah, seriously, I'll compare the two and decide for myself, it's still useful to know I can do it anyways10:51
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djselbeckVae_DuckZ: Please do. But at the moment I don't have a lot of time for private development because I have to work so much11:04
djselbeckI also would like to fix the mpris implementation for pebble control, but I'm not sure whats wrong and cannot test it11:07
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mgroverhello, is it possible to have two listviews in a page?11:11
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Armadillomgrover: should be no problem11:15
mgroverif i want to have them in two rows, would I have to place them in actual Rows or just anchor them correctly?11:16
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daitheflumgrover: to my understanding, Row and Column are just a convenient way to avoid writing anchors12:11
mgroverhmmm Ill try that12:12
mgroverqml is easily what am worst at :P12:12
daithefluI agree, it's often tricky12:13
daithefluand I never know if what I do is the right way12:13
mgroverive given up on the right way, currently everything feels like the hacky way :D12:13
mgroverwhere do people learn things like best practices? since uni never seemed to teach me any :P12:14
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mgroveralso is it just me or are columns and rows the wrong way around...12:17
daithefludepends on what you want to do12:17
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daithefluI'd also be interested in learning best practices :)12:18
Stskeepsmoo Venemo12:18
mgroverand for me columns are going sideways while rows going down, but it seems different12:18
mgrovermaybe coding and csgo dont go hand in hand12:19
Yanielwhat12:23
mgrover?12:23
Yanielcolumns sideways12:23
daithefluColumn arranges items it contains in...a column (item goes below the previous one) - Row arranges children items so that they are next to each others12:23
mgroverdo I need to do anything specific to make items arrange below each other? because currently they just overlap and are stuck top at the top of the page12:25
daitheflumake sure they have an height12:25
daitheflu(just guessing)12:26
mgroverdoes the column itself need anchoring12:27
daithefluprobably yes12:28
Venemomoo Stskeeps12:28
mgroveryeah still no luck lol12:28
daitheflupastebin it :)12:29
mgroveri will do12:30
mgrovercheers12:30
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mgroverhttps://paste.kde.org/pgl1hw5lx12:30
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daithefluaah I've already seen something like that12:32
daithefluI guess you can't put SilicaListView in a Column12:33
mgroverdamn lol12:33
mgroverback to anchoring12:34
mgroversee anchoring was working, but am unsure what to anchor the top silicalistview to12:34
mgroverit would anchor well with the pagerheader12:34
mgroverwouldnt*12:35
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daitheflumgrover: this thread might help you : https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004137.html (TL;DR : use Repeater)12:42
mgroverill give it a look thanks12:44
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taaeemhow to build register on build.merproject.org?12:48
mgroveris there anyway to populate a list model IF its empty like on listModelEmpty with a string or just one row?12:51
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daitheflumgrover: I think you are looking for a ViewPlaceholder, aren't you ?12:53
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mgroveryes, although I find nothing about it in documentation12:53
daithefluthere is a ViewPlaceholder component in Silica :)12:54
mgrovercurrently I just populate my model with one row stating its empty if it is12:54
daithefluhttps://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-viewplaceholder.html/12:54
mgroverfound it thanks :)12:54
daitheflu:)12:55
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mgroverso the placeholder kinda works :P13:02
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mgrovercould it have anything to do withthe fact am populating the model after loading the page?13:05
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daitheflu?13:08
daithefluI don't get it13:08
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mgroveri load the view, then it retrieves the data and then it resets the view, hmm no that should be fine13:09
mgroverhell if I just have one list view it looks not great lol13:09
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kimmolithis is like reading 70's p0rn magazine, leaves something to be guessed..13:23
daitheflulol13:25
zGrrwhat's wrong with the vintage smut?13:25
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daitheflukimmoli: I think 70s pr0n magazines can be a little more exiting than what he's doing :P13:27
mgrovermaybe i should leave it the way it is :P13:27
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mgrovernew router installed13:41
mgroveri think 70s pr0n may trump that :P13:41
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elfioThere is anything new about the jolla partner for shipping devices with sailfish?14:09
Nicd-no14:13
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pketolaicoderus: you put the flattr user wrong in harbour. it has to be the username, not the profile url15:09
coderuspketolai: ok, but it was approved :D15:11
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coderusjpakkane: sdk 1506 is broken: https://gist.github.com/CODeRUS/e4b6115302383a7bef9515:13
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pketolaicoderus: yep, we should have instructed qa a bit more about this, but "put your user name here" seemed like something that is not so easy to get wrong ;)15:23
coderuspketolai: probably :D15:25
daithefluhow can I ask a question to someone working for the Store ? My app suddenly won't install from it15:25
coderusdeveloper-care@jolla.com ?15:25
daithefluthanks coderus15:26
coderuspketolai: thanks btw :D and maybe you want to upgrade verifier in this field, so it can detect this kind of problems :D15:27
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mgroverwould anyone say its a bad thing if you saw a message that said the Model was empty, and then it populated it?15:30
mgroverand then the message disappeared15:31
pketolaidaitheflu: or you can just ask me :) though i wont be able to investigate it right now...15:31
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daitheflumgrover: maybe put 2 different messages : one when the model is empty but still loading, and another one when the list is empty because the model is loaded AND empty ?15:33
mgroverwell am just using the ViewPlaceHolder atm so not sure if I can15:34
daitheflupketolai: oh didn't know that, thanks :) I'm going to send the e-mail, so you can take care of it whenever you want :)15:34
pketolaidaitheflu: ok, I wont get the mail before monday15:36
daitheflupketolai: np15:36
daitheflumgrover: maybe something like :  text: view.model.isReady ? "No data !" : "Loading data..." ?15:38
daithefluthat's something I should fix in my app too15:38
mgroverYeah I could do something like that, I run my networkrequest on a timer, so I think if I can just delay the viewplaceholder the same way itd match up15:38
mgroverit avoids that little bit of lag that sometimes occurs15:39
daitheflumgrover: another idea : put a BusyIndicator on top of the SilicaListView (z property)15:40
mgroverI already have one for the loading :P15:40
mgroverits just after it finishes loading if theres no data15:41
mgrovermaybe ill just leave it blank15:41
mgroverbut thats just bad design hmmm15:41
daithefluthe loading should end once the model is populated, not before15:42
mgroverit does15:42
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mgroverbut the viewplaceholder is there till the model is populated, and the model isnt populated the instant the page loads, is does it 250ms after15:44
mgroverso if I delay the enabling of it by 250ms it should work fine15:45
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daithefluthe viewplaceholder is there until you tell it to be. In the given example, enabled: view.count == 0 but you could replace it with something like : enabled: view.model.isReady, would it improve things ?15:46
olpeSo should I actually have removed the binary file when adding my flattr account to harbour? I did not touch the binary thing there and hope it now didn't send the same binary again?15:47
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mgroveroh i get that, think itll have to be count is zero and its ready15:54
kimmoliolpe: i didn't understand that too. afaik you can't submit app w/o binary15:56
mgroveris this the right way to express that: subsequentCPModel.count === 0 && previousCPModel.ready15:56
kimmoliolpe: at least it was processing within 20 min, i changed just url and flattr userid15:58
olpekimmoli: ok. so then it will get rejected because version is the same... hope not. Yeah thats what i did too15:59
kimmoliolpe: no it didn't15:59
daitheflumgrover: should be15:59
olpeok nivr16:00
olpenice16:00
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mgroverdaitheflu: qml isnt a fan of it :{16:02
mgroveroo it does approve16:03
daithefluis it working ?16:04
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mgroverdaitheflu: so and so16:06
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daitheflugotta go, bye !16:30
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mgroverhow could I issue uninstall instructions?19:29
r0kk3rzinstructions? wouldnt you just put a script in the rpm?19:30
mgroverI would?19:33
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mgroverthats what am asking, I just want to delete a folder I create in /nemo/home19:34
r0kk3rzhttps://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/RPM_Guide/ch09s04s05.html19:35
r0kk3rz%postun section is what you want19:35
r0kk3rzstick in rm command19:35
mgroverand would I just add that to the spec file?19:36
r0kk3rzyup19:37
mgroverah thats great cheers :)19:38
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kimmoli... not planning to publish in jolla-store then?19:40
mgrovertalking to me?19:41
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mgroverr0kk3rz: thanks works perfectly :)19:42
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kimmolimgrover: yes19:47
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mgroverkimmoli: yes I plan to whens its a finished "product"19:47
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kimmolipostun/scripts stuff not allowed iirc19:51
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mgroverhas anyone else had trouble with IconButton?20:05
mgroverspecifically making the icon.source switch between two icons?20:05
kimmolimgrover: sounds familiar20:06
mgroverkimmoli: it used to work before the update, but now if I press down on the star button, it doesnt become filled20:06
mgroverbut another application using the same method and code works fine20:06
kimmoliit is with highlighted20:11
kimmolii just toggle highlighted to false while i change source20:12
mgroveri do that too, but it just doesn't want to, I've missed something20:13
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mgroverthe annoying thing is the source changes, its just the UI that doesn't update20:14
kimmoliit is the theme iconProvider fault afaiu20:16
mgroverSo Jolla?20:16
kimmolias it handles the highlighting20:16
kimmoliIconButton adds ?#C0C0C0 or whatever is Theme.highlightColor to the source when highlighted = true20:17
mgroveri see20:18
kimmolithis is waht i have commented,. https://github.com/kimmoli/paint/blob/master/qml/components/GeometryPopup.qml#L12620:18
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kimmoligeometryFillToggled  is part of rule to highligh iconButton20:18
kimmolihttps://github.com/kimmoli/paint/blob/master/qml/components/GeometryButton.qml#L1120:18
mgroverso its forced to20:21
mgroverahhh the border of the star changes color, but its not filled, indeed a color issue20:22
kimmoliis your filled source correct?20:22
kimmoliicon-m-favorite-selected ? or something20:23
mgroveryes20:24
mgrovericon.source: model.favorited ? "image://theme/icon-m-favorite-selected" : "image://theme/icon-m-favorite"20:24
mgroverwhere are these icon stored on device?20:25
kimmoliand model.favorited gets true onClicked ?20:25
kimmoligah20:25
mgroveryep, the "action" is carried out, and the db is updated20:25
mgrovermodel is here https://github.com/m4r0v3r/harbour-nationalrail/blob/master/src/Models/StationsModel.cpp20:26
mgroverwhen I leave the page and return, the correct values appear20:27
kimmolican you try to add there Label { text: model.favorited ? "1" : "0" } to see it updates the model for sure?20:30
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mgroveri am now20:32
mgroverhmm the models stopped updating20:33
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merlin1991should dev mode still have the dnsmasq providing me an ip on the pc side_20:36
merlin1991because my jolla doesn't do that anymore :/20:37
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mgroverheyy it works when i emitted dataChanged20:45
mgroverkimmoli: it used to work before without that though, either way now works, thanks :)20:45
mgroveri had a video prepared and all :P20:46
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mgroveranyone know how long it usually takes to get approved as a publisher on openrepos?20:49
kimmoli1 sec20:50
kimmolino QA20:50
mgroverill be damned am approved lol20:50
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mgroverahhh its in there :)21:13
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SfietKonstantinWmorning :)21:16
SfietKonstantinWwell night21:16
mgroverits still early :P21:18
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mgroverif i wanted to create a qt maemo app, can I just use normal qtcreator?21:25
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SfietKonstantinWmgrover: better use old qt creator21:56
SfietKonstantinWfrom the now defunct qt sdk21:56
SfietKonstantinW(or nokia qt sdk)21:56
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mgroverah okay thanks21:57
SfietKonstantinWthere is a backup somewhere (iirc)21:57
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mgroverill take a look22:00
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BBLobsterhi23:09
BBLobsterIs there is someone online?23:10
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SfietKonstantinWhi BBLobster23:39
SfietKonstantinWI'm online23:39
SfietKonstantinWbut tired23:39
BBLobsterok, I will ask may be some one will see it later23:42
BBLobsterIs there any way to create qml component recursively? I am implementing a chat where user can resend messages to another user, so as a result I want to see message component containing another message23:42
BBLobsterBut I dont know maximum depth of such forward messages, so I cannot just create prototypes for each situation23:42
BBLobsterFor now I use Loader component to load component recursively, but there is 2 bugs - firstly, it is very slow, so if I had 100 messages in chat with a lot of forwarded messages, it took up to 2 second to load page23:42
BBLobsterSecondly, scroll bar behavior strange - Loader component (as I understand) unload my component when it hidden, so when I scroll overall height changes23:42
BBLobsterMay be someone know good way to create items recursively, or some ideas how to make that part of code work faster, and without scroll bugs?23:42
SfietKonstantinWwhy don't you delegate the recursive nesting to a model23:44
SfietKonstantinWbasically you parse your data23:44
SfietKonstantinWand make a "flat list"23:44
SfietKonstantinWwith an "indent" property23:44
SfietKonstantinWso that you render it single shot using one model / 0 loader23:44
SfietKonstantinWand you indent the delegate if needed23:45
BBLobsterhm23:51
BBLobsternice idea23:51
BBLobsterI will try it23:52

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