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| haasn | Can I make aliendalvik start and stop itself on demand, rather than always running in the background? It feels weird and uncomfortable having so many alien services running in the background, taking up resources and CPU time | 00:14 |
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| haasn | Especially when it's running lots of crap persistently in the background | 00:15 |
| haasn | Also, I love SailfishOS so much but I'm always scared when using it because of Qualcomm :( | 00:22 |
| haasn | I don't want them spying on me, is an opt-out planned at all? | 00:22 |
| haasn | (I'd also be willing to pay extra to get a better DAC, the sound quality on the phone is extremely bad) | 00:22 |
| jfred | Meaning, potential spying from the baseband processor? | 00:24 |
| haasn | jfred: Yes, except without the “potential” bit | 00:24 |
| jfred | heh | 00:24 |
| jfred | well, it's not like the OS can opt out of that ;) | 00:24 |
| jfred | the baseband does what it wants | 00:24 |
| haasn | Right, this is something that needs to change in the Jolla phone design | 00:24 |
| jfred | changing that would likely require more resources than Jolla can reasonably provide | 00:25 |
| jfred | you might want to look into the Neo900 project though if you haven't heard of it | 00:25 |
| jfred | though due to the heavy customization it'll end up being extremely expensive | 00:25 |
| jfred | (well, that and low number of devices produced) | 00:26 |
| haasn | My freedom is worth more than my money | 00:26 |
| jfred | fair enough, mine is to a certain extent... but personally I judge the risk of potential snooping by the baseband processor not worth an extra $1000 or so to the cost of my device | 00:27 |
| jfred | and I say potential, because while it's possible, it hasn't been directly observed in modern devices to my knowledge... not that it would be a simple matter to detect it if it were | 00:27 |
| jfred | I would personally love a device that securely segments the two, but just from what I've heard I don't think Jolla is in a position to provide that at this time | 00:29 |
| haasn | The Neo900 project looks interesting, btw | 00:30 |
| haasn | Thanks for mentioning it | 00:30 |
| jfred | no problem :) | 00:30 |
| jfred | I've been following it myself, but I can't currently justify the cost | 00:30 |
| jfred | it is quite interesting though | 00:30 |
| haasn | (How come *every* single phone marketing/reviewing/comparison website in EXISTENCE only mentions “3.5mm output” in the Audio section of the technical specifications? They can manage to list chip names for the CPUs after all) | 00:31 |
| haasn | All I want to find out is what chip they use so I can google it to see just how terrible it is... the only reliable way to find that out is to find a teardown report and go through the list of chips they usually paste :p | 00:32 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 06:06 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 06:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | VDVsx, is normal on fwd to drop attachments from emails ? | 06:52 |
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| VDVsx | dr_gogeta86, no, but if they are not downloaded yet, dialog appears and you can drop them | 06:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | it didn't asked the first time | 07:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | just on second time | 07:02 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | sorry VDVsx | 07:02 |
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| b0bben | morning | 07:50 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi b0bben | 08:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | sledges, there is a preferred version on cm11 branch ? | 08:06 |
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| sledges | dr_gogeta86: cm-11.0-XNPH44S-bacon-5fa8c79c0b (early morning porters channel?;) | 08:12 |
| sledges | it's a tag | 08:12 |
| tzafrir | anybody here tried using Tox (specifically Cyanide, the implementation for SailfishOS)? | 08:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | so i need to compile a cyano based on that branch | 08:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | mine is bit old | 08:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 4.4.2 | 08:15 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | hello | 08:24 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'm reading this article from today http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/fake-mobile-phone-towers-discovered-in-london-stingrays-come-to-the-uk/ and the one linked at the bottom about the device to detect stingrays | 08:24 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I don't know anything at all about mobiles, gsm, stuff, but I'm wondering if it would be theoretically possible to have an app that detects fake cells | 08:25 |
| Vae_DuckZ | like idk, have a whitelist of official cells, or refer to a blacklist of community collected fake cells... what do you all think? | 08:26 |
| sledges | dr_gogeta86: #sailfishos-porters ;P | 08:28 |
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| inte_ | hello coderus | 08:35 |
| inte_ | i dont quite get the meaning of the "lock-symbol" in mitakuuluu3 | 08:36 |
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| inte_ | i had it briefly when i was sending a text to someon using wa-on-android | 08:36 |
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| inte_ | but it disappeared shortly after and never came back | 08:37 |
| narchie | any idea why 1) sailfishos finds my host alias 2) adb shell finds my hosts alias 3) android app just tells me it cant resolve host | 08:37 |
| inte_ | is this a somewhat unfinished feature or is my conversation just not (text-)secure? | 08:38 |
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| coderus | inte_: it means chat is encrypted | 08:44 |
| inte_ | well, and if i dont have the symbol? | 08:44 |
| coderus | no idea why it disappearing | 08:44 |
| Vae_DuckZ | anybody, can you comment on what I asked please? | 08:44 |
| inte_ | even though my partners have the most recent android release | 08:44 |
| inte_ | or could it be related to older messages imported from whatsup? | 08:45 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus: did you manage to get your app in the jolla store yet? | 08:45 |
| coderus | inte_: no | 08:45 |
| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: what app | 08:45 |
| coderus | ? | 08:45 |
| Vae_DuckZ | the app you're talking about, the whatsap client | 08:46 |
| coderus | inte_: it probably just some bug, if you swipe back conversation and return to it, lock image appear again? | 08:46 |
| inte_ | nope | 08:46 |
| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: it's not possible to put it to jolla store | 08:46 |
| coderus | inte_: idk then | 08:46 |
| Vae_DuckZ | :/ | 08:47 |
| inte_ | idk? | 08:47 |
| coderus | i dont know | 08:47 |
| inte_ | you want my log? | 08:47 |
| inte_ | If you're curious... | 08:47 |
| coderus | no i don't want it | 08:47 |
| inte_ | ok nevermind :-) | 08:47 |
| coderus | there is nothing in log about it | 08:47 |
| inte_ | ok | 08:47 |
| coderus | you cah check your log yourself and look if it sending encrypted messages to your friend | 08:48 |
| inte_ | coderus: how? | 08:48 |
| coderus | journalctl -fa _COMM=mitakuuluu3 | 08:49 |
| coderus | as root of course | 08:49 |
| coderus | and then send message to your contact | 08:49 |
| inte_ | ok thx will try in a secod | 08:49 |
| inte_ | src/bintreenodewriter.cpp:206 | 08:53 |
| inte_ | int BinTreeNodeWriter::write(const ProtocolTreeNode&, bool) | 08:53 |
| inte_ | write " | 08:53 |
| inte_ | argh | 08:54 |
| inte_ | sorry | 08:54 |
| inte_ | it says sth like | 08:55 |
| inte_ | <enc av="Android/2.12.87" type="pkmsg" v="1"> | 08:55 |
| inte_ | data:hex: | 08:55 |
| inte_ | and an encrypted message | 08:55 |
| inte_ | dont know if its textsecure or rc4... | 08:55 |
| Vae_DuckZ | btw I thought whatsapp is not to be considered secure anyways, it got cracked iirc | 08:56 |
| inte_ | they implemented textsecure | 08:57 |
| inte_ | but the user cannot control if its actually utilized | 08:57 |
| inte_ | its on android only, anyways | 08:57 |
| Vae_DuckZ | unless that's really, really recent, I wouldn't trust it anyways | 08:58 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I use xmpp, which is integrated very well in sailfish | 08:58 |
| inte_ | but without otr in sf | 08:59 |
| inte_ | not secure as well | 08:59 |
| coderus | inte_: pastebin please | 08:59 |
| coderus | inte_: if it have <enc> node it textsecure encrypted | 08:59 |
| inte_ | ah cool | 09:00 |
| inte_ | thx | 09:00 |
| coderus | same for incoming | 09:00 |
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| inte_ | they seem to be encrypted then | 09:04 |
| inte_ | RC4-encrypted messages are not using the enc-tags? | 09:04 |
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| inte_ | ah, cool, just came across the "bool WAConnectionPrivate::parseWhisperMessage" line | 09:05 |
| inte_ | that explains a lot :) | 09:06 |
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| inte_ | and, whups, the lock-symbol appeared again. | 09:06 |
| inte_ | thats rather strange | 09:06 |
| inte_ | and gone again | 09:07 |
| coderus | RC4 protocol encryption is using every time | 09:07 |
| inte_ | mpf | 09:07 |
| inte_ | sure | 09:07 |
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| coderus | doesnt mater what content of messages | 09:07 |
| inte_ | ah ok | 09:07 |
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| inte_ | coderus: when I send messages to myself they won't be encrypted | 09:13 |
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| inte_ | is this a bug or a feature? :) | 09:13 |
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| inte_ | coderus: http://pastebin.com/D9yE4vGY | 09:18 |
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| inte_ | bbl | 09:51 |
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| coderus | no idea | 10:10 |
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| mgrover | does using the WorkerScript break signals in the primary thread? | 10:25 |
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| inte__ | coderus: but can you reproduce it? May it be related to the credentials that I use from whatsup? | 10:44 |
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| coderus | inte__: it's not related | 10:46 |
| coderus | username and password from whatsup does nothing | 10:47 |
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| inte__ | so, if you send messages to yourself, are they encrypted? | 10:47 |
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| coderus | inte__: no idea | 11:57 |
| coderus | never tried t hat | 11:57 |
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| jaywalk | a related question I think someone in here has the answer to: my father called and his tohkbd just arrived! (damn, mine is still mia:). question: how does one get it started? just connecting it does not get it initialised/working. | 12:16 |
| Jonni | jaywalk: you wait untill support package is released at some point | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | jaywalk: #jollatohkbd channel | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | and yes | 12:17 |
| jaywalk | thanks Jonni, kimmoli. moving over there! | 12:17 |
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| inte__ | is the tohkbd still available ? | 12:22 |
| kimmoli | inte__: not at the moment | 12:22 |
| Bysmyyr | inte__: just should put note to some board, someone will sell one to you | 12:23 |
| inte__ | ok was just curious | 12:23 |
| inte__ | thx | 12:23 |
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| coderus | yeah, i expect people will start reselling it :) | 13:30 |
| chem|st | is there a way to have a whatsapp account without selling your own sould and especially not the soul of your friends? | 13:43 |
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| coderus | chem|st: wha tyou asking about? | 13:51 |
| chem|st | if there is a save way to use whatsapp... like wearing protection for sex | 13:54 |
| coderus | you need to explain | 13:55 |
| chem|st | the fun stuff comes with "we give you liberty of p2p encryption, well we read your texts anyway but who cares" are already a joke | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | coderus: whatsapp account anonymous | 13:56 |
| coderus | go and buy prepaid simcard? | 13:56 |
| chem|st | in my country you need to register for that too | 13:56 |
| coderus | and nobody selling prepaid? what country? :) | 13:57 |
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| chem|st | germany, we have prepaid sure but you need to register | 13:58 |
| mal- | quite odd system | 13:58 |
| coderus | without register it not able to receive call/sms? | 13:59 |
| chem|st | coderus: register your identity | 13:59 |
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| chem|st | coderus: they force the mapping number -> you | 13:59 |
| coderus | then ask someone to buy you simcard in other country :D | 14:00 |
| chem|st | so the phone number is a must have | 14:01 |
| coderus | sure | 14:01 |
| coderus | why you think they asking a phone for registration then :) | 14:01 |
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| mgrover | suppose criminals have a harder time making phone calls then | 14:10 |
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| taaeem | what images are available at image://theme/ ? | 14:59 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: what is the status of wl_shell/xdg_shell/lipstick_shell on sailfish or who should I direct my questions wrt that to? | 14:59 |
| taaeem | I mean does anyone has a complete list | 14:59 |
| Venemo | hey | 14:59 |
| Venemo | I'm trying to deploy an app to a Jolla | 14:59 |
| Yaniel | hey Venemo | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: giucam | 15:00 |
| Venemo | it's set to "deploy by copying binaries" | 15:00 |
| Venemo | but it tries to build an RPM and fails | 15:00 |
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| Venemo | what the f? | 15:00 |
| Yaniel | giucam: what is the current status of wl_shell/xdg_shell/lipstick_shell or whatever is going to be used for sailfish? I kinda hope you'll go with xdg since that would be in line with current harbour rules and xdg_shell seems to be what the wayland guys want to use as their reference api | 15:01 |
| Venemo | hey Yaniel :) | 15:03 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | taaeem: go to /usr/share/theme/joll-aambient/icons | 15:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | the icons loaded by image:/theme are here | 15:08 |
| taaeem | Found it thanks | 15:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Venemo: :/ | 15:08 |
| Venemo | SfietKonstantinW ? | 15:12 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | for your issue about SDK | 15:13 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | I never deploy by uploading binaries: too dangerous imo | 15:14 |
| Venemo | the sad thing is, I had this same issue in 2013 but I don't remember the solution | 15:14 |
| Venemo | I just want to run the freaking thing, why does it have to be so hard? | 15:14 |
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| taaeem | Mmh this icon is available but its not in there "image://theme/icon-s-retweet" any ideas? | 15:21 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | taaeem: weired | 15:22 |
| giucam | Yaniel: xdg_shell is for desktop use cases | 15:22 |
| taaeem | maybe some weirdness of the emulator and the build machine? | 15:22 |
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| Yaniel | hmm | 15:23 |
| Yaniel | so I'd have to write two wayland codepaths? | 15:23 |
| taaeem | ah found it | 15:23 |
| taaeem | on the mer sdk only some are there but on the emulator are much more | 15:24 |
| taaeem | dammit that icon is still not there i must have missed something | 15:25 |
| giucam | Yaniel: most probably yes | 15:25 |
| taaeem | okay now i found them they are in base and not in jolla-ambient | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | :( | 15:26 |
| Yaniel | oh well. so what is it going to be for sailfish? I hope I can at least get away with not rewriting that part ~immediately | 15:26 |
| giucam | not defined yet | 15:27 |
| giucam | anyway, don't you use qt? | 15:27 |
| taaeem | okay wtf here are so many icons but that is still not here | 15:27 |
| taaeem | it would be nice if anywhere like in the docs would be a list of all icons | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | I'm using glwt | 15:27 |
| taaeem | any sailor? ^ | 15:28 |
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| Yaniel | but I'll have to write a wayland port for it | 15:28 |
| taaeem | okay they are not in icons but in z1.0 | 15:30 |
| daitheflu | taaeem: I've made a webpage if you want | 15:30 |
| taaeem | Now I got them all but thanks | 15:30 |
| daitheflu | ok | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | giucam: trying to write a game (engine) basically | 15:32 |
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| p2-mate | hello! how do i configure the apn protocol on a jolla phone? | 16:21 |
| tbr | there is a tjc item about adjusting it for IPv6 | 16:22 |
| tbr | unless you want PPP, which is probably not supported | 16:22 |
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| p2-mate | no. i just want dual stack v4/v6 | 16:23 |
| mgrover | Settings -> Mobile Network -> Press and Hold whatever network is there | 16:23 |
| mgrover | hmm maybe wrong answer given by me lol | 16:24 |
| tbr | mgrover: that doesn't offer it (yet) | 16:24 |
| mgrover | also in qt how do I define a function that would return an array? | 16:25 |
| mgrover | never mind I went with a QStringList | 16:26 |
| tbr | p2-mate: this covers the command https://together.jolla.com/question/89966/use-dual-stack-ipv4-and-ipv6-on-mobile-data-by-default/ | 16:26 |
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| p2-mate | tbr: indeed. thanks! do you know if this is a permanent setting? or do you have to execute this command everytime the phone boots? | 16:35 |
| tathhu | p2-mate: iirc need to be executed on boot | 16:37 |
| tbr | p2-mate: it will stay until you reissue the command, also across reboots | 16:37 |
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| p2-mate | tbr: aha. ok. | 16:39 |
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| kimmoli | in 1.1.6 ipv6 is in the UI | 17:00 |
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| taaeem | I have a listmodel with a listview and the data is definitly in the model but in the delegate gives me an error that its undefined any ideas? | 17:42 |
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| Venemo | meh | 17:52 |
| Venemo | Qt Sprite Engine is extremely lagging on the jolla :( | 17:52 |
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| kimmoli | taaeem: try something simple first, and console | 17:57 |
| kimmoli | .log is your friend too | 17:57 |
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| taaeem | kimmoli. yeah the data is in the model but not in the delegate | 18:00 |
| taaeem | my Workaround is model.get(index).value | 18:01 |
| mgrover | why dont you just use model.itemname? | 18:02 |
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| taaeem | dont know but it works with my method soo :D | 18:07 |
| mgrover | so currently I populate a dialog with a model, I want to pass it to another page, would I just import the dialog into that page? | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | you can pass it through as a property | 18:14 |
| mgrover | the second page isnt a dialog its just a normal page, that okay? | 18:15 |
| mgrover | am basically trying to pass it a QStringList | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that should be fine | 18:16 |
| mgrover | would I just use the type var in this instance then? | 18:16 |
| mgrover | hmmm seems better if I just created its own C++ model since I don't want duplicate data | 18:19 |
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| taaeem | How to make a RPM package in Qt Creator? | 21:13 |
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| kimmoli | deploy as RPM ? | 21:43 |
| kimmoli | i just press build -> deploy projet "blaa" | 21:44 |
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