Saturday, 2015-06-06

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SaberAltria[W] unknown:62 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/private/Wallpaper.qml:62:5: QML Image: Invalid image data: file:///home/nemo/.cache/ambienced/com/jolla/components/bgimages/37b16ed1ap.jpg03:21
SaberAltriaHow to solve this error?03:21
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ilpianistammm... how's Qt.locale() in QML returns nothing?07:52
ilpianistaI'd like to format a date in to system locale07:52
ilpianistaQt.formatDateTime(timestamp.toLocaleString(Qt.locale()), "hh:mm, dd/MM/yyyy")07:52
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ilpianistait's just me or Jolla does not set any LANG?07:57
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urjamanit does set a LANG environment variable08:13
ilpianistaurjaman: http://dpaste.com/3MFWM5708:13
urjamani dunno if it gets all the way to Qt stuff or maybe there's some kind of init missing ...08:14
ilpianistaI just tried to change system language from the settings, but did not help08:14
urjamanbut it certainly switches my terminal to goofy finnish :P08:15
ilpianistaauch! `locale` from the terminal gives the correct result indeed08:15
ilpianistaI pasted the output from ssh08:15
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urjamanI've found it hangs around in /var/lib/environment/nemo/locale.conf but maybe doesnt get set when you login from ssh08:19
ilpianistaseems so and neither from my app08:19
urjamanbut the normal gui thing does set it for the apps afaik08:19
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ilpianistaurjaman: so, as for the terminal. if I start the application from qtcreator it uses C, otherwise (from the menu) it uses the correct locale08:22
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urjamanI've had a TODO to make the terminal contents (=the shell and children) be en_US.utf8 even though all the apps are fi_FI.utf8... but havent yet bothered to (i'd guess some bashrc would do that...)08:25
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* oida derb08:51
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kimmoliilpianista: yes, i had same observations09:07
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coderusilpianista: Project - Run - Environment10:10
ilpianistacoderus: is already en_GB there10:10
ilpianistacoderus: and I can't find any ssh/config in SalfishSDK10:11
coderusnot sdk, your device10:11
coderusor you trying emulator?10:12
ilpianistadevice10:12
ilpianistaI don't have an ssh config file neither on the device10:12
coderuslol. somewhere in /etc/ssh/sshd_config afaik10:12
ilpianistasince when ssh has its own LANG?10:13
ilpianistaAcceptEnv LANG LC_CTYPE LC_NUMERIC LC_TIME LC_COLLATE LC_MONETARY LC_MESSAGES10:13
ilpianistaAcceptEnv LC_IDENTIFICATION LC_ALL LANGUAGE10:13
ilpianistashould be already fine10:13
coderusyou should unset it if want ssh to use system language always10:14
coderusotherwise it will use client language10:14
ilpianista(which is the same in my case)10:14
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coderusyour host os is linux based?10:15
ilpianistayes10:15
ilpianistaI even enabled "Clear system environment" under project-run, but still the same10:16
coderusyour pc and phone $LANG in local term is fi_FI.utf8?10:16
ilpianistaboth set to en_GB10:16
coderusen_GB.utf8 both?10:16
ilpianistayes10:16
ilpianistait that so strange for you? :-)10:16
ilpianistahowever, not a big deal. I can invoke the app from the menu when I want to see things formatted to user locale10:17
ilpianista!next issue10:17
merbotilpianista: Error: "next" is not a valid command.10:17
coderusyes, if you use non utf8 locales10:17
ilpianistalocale10:17
ilpianistaLANG=en_GB.UTF-810:17
ilpianistaon both pc and device10:17
coderustried running from terminal with LANG=en_GB.utf8 binaryname?10:18
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ilpianistano need to do that10:18
coderuswhy?10:18
ilpianistafrom the terminal it works fine10:18
ilpianistajust as it does when starting from the menu10:18
coderusah, only wtc environment is not working fro you?10:18
ilpianistayes10:19
coderusqtc*10:19
coderuscan't  try it myself right now10:19
ilpianistano problem10:19
coderusbut i remember it worked fine10:19
ilpianistammm10:19
coderusyou using latest sdk yes?10:19
ilpianistayes10:19
coderustry to get answer from somebody else10:20
ilpianistathanks10:20
ilpianistahowever. it's 2015, do I really need this to display a date with a custom pattern that keeps timezone?!? http://dpaste.com/0D1P6AH10:20
coderuswhat? it Qt.formatDateTime using your timezone of course10:21
ilpianistayou mean Qt.formatDateTime(new Date(timezone), "hh:mm, dd/MM/yyyy")_10:21
ilpianista?10:21
coderusyes10:22
ilpianistadoesn't work10:22
coderusmake sure your timestamp in milliseconds10:22
ilpianistaQt.formatDateTime(new Date(timezone).getMilliseconds(), "hh:mm, dd/MM/yyyy")?10:22
coderuswhat is your timestamp value for example?10:23
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ilpianistasec, .getMilliseconds() is wrong, trying .getTime() right now10:25
ilpianista[D] formatDate:67 - 2015-06-06 10:07:1510:25
ilpianista[D] formatDate:68 - Sat Jun 6 10:07:15 2015 GMT+020010:25
ilpianistafirst is timestamp, second is new Date(timestamp)10:25
coderusyour timestamp is string?10:25
ilpianistayes10:26
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ilpianistaread from sqlite, type is datetime10:26
ilpianistatype is timestamp*10:26
ilpianistawhat the hell I'm writing. type is datetime! :-)10:26
coderusyou write this value to database from?10:27
ilpianistais automatically wrote by sqlite10:28
ilpianistatimestamp DATETIME DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP10:28
coderuswell, i know nothing about it, sorry10:28
ilpianistano problem10:28
coderusi'm always using numeric timestamp in seconds rom epoch10:29
ilpianistaI'm surprised Qt.formatDateTime does not handle it10:29
ilpianistaI see10:29
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coderusi found DATETIME type in sqlite is numeric10:31
coderusso you can read it as uint10:31
coderusand use new Date(timestamp * 1000)10:31
coderusquint64, sorry10:33
coderusqint64* :)10:33
ilpianistabut console.log(timestamp) shows 2015-06-06 10:07:1510:33
coderushow you reading it from db?10:33
coderusstop10:33
ilpianista:-)10:34
coderusconsole.log(typeof(timestamp)) shows what?10:34
ilpianistastring10:34
coderushm, then show how you reading it from db10:35
ilpianistahttps://github.com/ilpianista/harbour-HostIsDown/blob/master/src/hostssqlmodel.cpp10:35
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coderuswhy you reimplemented data?10:38
ilpianistabecause I'm newbie10:39
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coderusthere is should be something wrong with model10:41
coderusi can check it later evening10:42
ilpianistaI'm not sure if I should use this model instead https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/combining-c-with-qml/10:42
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ilpianista(it has been published after I made my model!)10:43
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coderusyou have sqmlite data so your model is okay10:45
coderussqlite*10:45
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nh1402r0kk3rz: https://github.com/thp/apkenv/blob/master/platform/sailfish.c12:48
nh1402sailfish_input_update function looks like its for touch input, you think a variant of that function would work for axis values12:49
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r0kk3rzi think you should talk to thp12:54
r0kk3rzbut that code base looks like what you want12:54
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r0kk3rzprobably extending that codebase is what you want to do rather than re-inventing12:58
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locusfhmm apkenv is for pure jni android apps12:59
locusfvakkov_ and krnlyng are the guys to talk to on that12:59
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nh1402just looked into the motionevent java code and AXIS_X is 0 and AXIS_Y is 1, which is how it determines which axis to get.13:05
nh1402thinking of changing getRawAxisValue to work with SDL or Sailfish13:07
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nh1402now I know what I need to change, and what to change it, the problem still remains how to get it from Sailfish13:13
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r0kk3rzyou might have more luck hanging around #mer13:15
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nh1402good idea13:19
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TheBootroo|homeohai13:38
TheBootroo|homei was think13:39
TheBootroo|home+ing13:39
TheBootroo|homemy sister has the Nexus 4, you know ? the one that has LTE but disabled by google...13:39
TheBootroo|homemaybe if i install SFOS on her phone she will be able to use LTE ?13:39
TheBootroo|homei can't find the information on wiki13:39
TheBootroo|homeit only says "Data" or "Voice"13:40
TheBootroo|homeno detail on 3G / LTE /GSM13:40
haasn`phonecoderus: Really high CPU usage by lipstick after listening to music for a few hours13:40
haasn`phoneCould this be caused by your patch?13:41
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nh1402alright I've done the modifying. Whether or not it'll work is another thing14:44
nh1402here it is https://www.dropbox.com/s/wz2nkvvsia10a1c/input.cpp?dl=014:47
nh1402anyone here who is familiar with SDL?14:47
Stskeepsprobably thp but he's on a plane atm14:48
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nh1402just wanted someone to look over it see if it's initialised correctly and whether e.button.x need's casting or not.14:50
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guest4321hello!18:55
guest4321yesterday I installed ubuntu touch on my tablet and was really pissed that I needed an ubuntu account to download apps from the app store. Now before installing sailfishOS I'd like to know if you also need a jolla/sailfishOS-account to download apps ... ?18:56
nibguest4321: I think you need one, why don you need an account?18:57
tbryou can obviously sideload apps on both18:58
guest4321nib: why should I? on android, with f-droid you also don't need any accounts18:58
guest4321actually this was the first time in my life I needed an account to download open source apps... I think this is really weird18:59
tbrguest4321: you don't need an account to download open source apps. there's no shiny app store for that though.18:59
guest4321tbr: so... assuming I'm sucessfully installing sailfishOS. where can I download apps to sideload them?19:00
tbryou can add e.g. OBS RPM repositories and install apps from there19:00
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guest4321hmmm not sure if I'm getting this right. there is a jolla app store for easily installing apps, right?19:02
tbryes19:02
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guest4321ok. and if I want to download (free) apps from this jolla app store - would I need an account?19:03
tbryes19:03
guest4321hmmm...thanks19:03
TemeVI think that account is required for practical reasons19:04
tbrnote that those apps are free as in beer, not necessarily as in speech19:04
TemeVYou get your "personal repo" where you download updates etc19:04
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guest4321I don't see any real practical reason to force users making an account... but it's good to know it before installing sailfishOS19:05
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nibotherwise someone will publish rm-rf game19:05
guest4321I think f-droid is making it just right19:05
TemeVSome Jolla guy said it makes things easier some way, I don't remember details19:05
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tbrguest4321: there is a bit of a difference between f-droid and the jolla store.19:06
guest4321nib: I don't want to publish apps19:06
Stskeepsit comes down to scale; we generate dynamic RPM repos with only the apps you've downloaded, to make sure you don't have to download RPM metadata of several megabytes on slow connections of all the apps..19:06
guest4321or ... at least I'm not talking about publishing apps.19:06
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Stskeepsthat was a huge problem for maemo519:08
tbrah, fond memories of repository reload taking minutes and pegging the CPU at 100%19:08
guest4321I see. can you tell me which personal data are needed to get an account? on Ubuntu Touch they would like to know your email adress, your first name und surname and so on... I think this is really inacceptable19:08
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nibStskeeps: yep, gew weeks ago Ive started applications app to check updates and forget about it:)19:09
TemeVguest4321: Nick and email19:09
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guest4321hm... I don't want to be unfair, but I don't see any practical or technical reason why jolla need an email adress19:10
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guest4321if it would be just about dynamical repos ... it could be fully anonymous, right?19:11
TemeVguest4321: password recovery19:11
tbrgive a throwaway address?19:11
TemeVmailinator.com19:11
TemeV10minutemail19:11
guest4321TemeV: password, for what?19:11
TemeVguest4321: for the account?19:11
guest4321tbr: if there are passwords involved, a throwaway address is not a solution19:11
TemeVguest4321: yes it is. If you forget the password you can just make a new account19:12
guest4321ok I don't get it. why would one need a password for an account to just download free apps?19:12
TemeVguest4321: same account is used e.g. in together.jolla.com etc19:12
tbrguest4321: it's a business decision of jolla ltd. - I suggest you ask them directly.19:13
guest4321TemeV: but if I wouldn't want to use together.jolla.com there is no reason to force it, right?19:13
guest4321tbr: ok19:13
TemeVguest4321: also, with the account you can opt in for early access updates19:13
TemeVif there is an account, it obviously has a passwrod19:14
TemeV*password19:14
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guest4321TemeV: I don't doubt that you could make with a single sign-on account a lot of stuff ... my point is just about downloading apps, but I really don't want to blame you about this, tbr is right19:15
TemeVguest4321: and I agree with you, downloading apps without an account would be much more convenient19:16
TemeVI19:16
guest4321on ubuntu touch, you could also do a lot of stuff with an ubuntu one account ... but I don't want to, and this was a big disapoointment after sucessfully installing it19:16
TemeVI just think creating an account is not that much of a hassle19:16
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TemeVI don't know how it is in Ubuntu, but with Jolla you can just create the account and forget about it. It doesn't force you any other services19:18
guest4321TemeV: no, it isn't. but in these days there are a lot of reasons why someone don't want to be tracked19:18
guest4321actually f-droid was great for me because I wouldn't need a google account19:18
guest4321or any other account19:18
guest4321just download the app you want19:18
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TemeVI understand the not being tracked part, but honestly, Jolla wouldn't need you to create an account to track you if they wanted to do that19:19
tbrguest4321: well, if you want to look for alternatives (fdroid is not the playstore after all), there are. E.g. on sailfish there is that openrepos thing.19:20
guest4321but it's much easier to link it to the identity19:20
tbrguest4321: you'd like it. you can upload random unchecked binaries, probably almost anonymously.19:20
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guest4321tbr: yes I know about f-droid ... I used cm(without gapps)+f-droid for two years, now looking for alternatives19:21
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guest4321tbr: I see19:22
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guest4321not sure if I want to download random unchecked binaries which has been uploaded anonymously, though19:23
tbrthere was a concept for a pure open source app store. Just like it existed for Harmattan.19:24
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tbrbut it didn't get traction in the community19:24
guest4321what is harmattan?19:24
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tbras the community prefers uploading/downloading "random unchecked binaries" that have a habbit of breaking phones19:25
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tbrharmattan was the OS of the Nokia N9/N95019:25
TemeVtbr: I guess devs are still more into developing new apps for the new OS instead of "boring" maintence job :)19:26
tbrTemeV: yes, it's much nicer to just cobble something together and not have to do any qa for security issues or risks of breaking the device19:26
tbrbut I'm not getting into that discussion, again.19:27
TemeVtbr: I agree with you, I would like my apps to go through QA19:28
locusfyou can iinstall Nemo on Jolla device which has root out of the box19:28
locusfno need for Jolla account19:29
guest4321I think this is really strange. on desktops, there wasn't ever the need for an account to download software from the repos. and, of course that didn't mean that the developers uploaded random things without any QA. I don't know why, but it seems on mobile devices there is a complete other mentality19:29
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locusfalso Jolla apps would work if silica library is installed19:29
tbralso if you have a jolla device (only that has aliendalvik) you could run fdroid ;)19:29
guest4321hehe19:30
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TemeVguest4321: well, for desktop linux distros there is always QA and random people can't upload random stuff there20:19
TemeVbut e.g. with windows there isn't such a system20:20
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guest4321TemeV: yes, of course I'm relating to linux distros. see: I just installed irssi without the need of having an account. I could install it anonymously with a package manager. I could have downloaded it from the website, too. I just don't see why all that is no longer true when it comes to mobile devices.20:22
guest4321on ubuntu you can just install any packages. on ubuntu touch, you can't.20:23
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guest4321locusf: thanks for the hint, can you point me to a FAQ between the relationship of mer/nemo/sailfish/maemo and so on? I'm having a hard time to get an overview - google says I want to read https://sailfishos.org/about/qa/ but I get an error20:24
TemeVbecause it gives average user a better ux. And that is what matters20:25
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guest4321TemeV: really? so.. why am I not forced to make an account on desktop distros if it would give me better a ux? I still don't see why it is a better ux20:26
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guest4321TemeV: is downloading irssi from the project website such a bad ux without having to register?20:27
tbrguest4321: you can't compare sailfishos to a free distro20:27
tbrguest4321: compare it to RedHat enterprise or SLES and *bam* you have an account requirement20:28
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TemeVguest4321: e.g. huge amount of unnecessary rpm metadata which Stskeeps mentioned earlier20:28
TemeVnot a problem on desktop, huge problem on mobile20:28
TemeVguest4321: and you are forced to create an account to use windows or os x app store on desktop also20:31
TemeVAnd you can go to a website and download app from there with Sailfish20:31
guest4321tbr: ok, then this might be true for sailfishOS. not sure if RedHat Enterprise is arguing about better ux, though.20:31
tbrguest4321: yes, "better managment of your machines/installations" - wouldn't be possible if you had random anonymous machines20:32
guest4321tbr: ok, I never used RedHat Enterprise and probably I had a wrong impression from sailfishOS. maybe the nemo thing is what I'm looking for20:34
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guest4321sorry for offtopic: on Ubuntu vs. Ubuntu Touch, it just seems to be pointless20:35
guest4321you can't download anything without an account but you are able to enter data like I.dont.want.to.have.an.ubuntu.one.account@ubuntu.com20:36
TemeVguest4321: how would you prevent fake data?20:37
guest4321TemeV: you could at least make the requirement for having to click on an activation link in the email20:37
TemeVguest4321: that doesn't change anything20:37
tbrwait, a second ago you complained that accounts are required and now you complain that you can just feed them fake data?20:38
tbrit seems to me you're rather unclear on what you really want20:39
nibguest4321: I would say in ubuntu you have something looks like an account, at least I see in muon -> Configure Software Sources -> Statistics -> Submit statistics information20:40
guest4321tbr: I just don't see a reason why such an account is needed, especially since - at least on Ubuntu Touch - you just can feed fake data. They just could have make a "Skip"-button. If they are valid reasons for sailfishOS to have a account, I'm sorry to mixing it all up20:40
tbrguest4321: sure they could and then they'd use a UUID to identify the client or such and you'd be up in arms again that they are tracking you20:41
guest4321nib: nope, on Ubuntu you can use a package manager without having to feed fake data. on Ubuntu Touch, you can't20:41
TemeVguest4321: so you choose to ignore reasons given so far?20:41
guest4321TemeV: what?20:42
guest4321TemeV: ah, I see. No, I already said " ok, I never used RedHat Enterprise and probably I had a wrong impression from sailfishOS."20:43
nibguest4321: I didnt said that you have to create account in ubuntu:)20:43
TemeVguest4321: but still "you don't see a reason why such an account is needed" even reasons were given20:44
guest4321TemeV: this was my answer to tbr who asked what my point was20:45
guest4321TemeV: and I said I'm sorry to mixing it up if they are valid reasons. ok?20:45
* nib now had now paranoic feelings after `cat ~/.gitconfig`20:46
mal-on ported sailfish devices you can skip the account and use warehouse client instead20:46
* tbr has seen nothing new in this conversation for an hour and thus goes to bed *plonk*20:46
TemeVguest4321: you just don't make much sense to me, that's all :)20:47
TemeVI was trying to understand, but maybe I'll just give up20:47
guest4321TemeV: hmm. let me try one more time: there is nothing to discuss any longer. I installed yesterday ubuntu touch and I didn't see why I would need a account for a mobile device when I wouldn't need a account for a desktop device (especially since you can fake feed data). I came here before installing SailfishOS to make sure that I don't have the same experience like yesterday20:49
guest4321TemeV: then I was told I have a better ux with an account. i didn't get that20:50
guest4321TemeV: now I've been told that sailfishOS comparable to RedHat Enterprise where you would need an account, too20:50
TemeVguest4321: ok20:51
guest4321TemeV: so my conclusion is: Ubuntu Touch vs. Ubuntu just doesn't make any sense in regard to the need of having an account. for SailfishOS there might be reasons which are comparable to RedHat. and, finally: nemo mobile might be comparable to the linux desktop distro where I don't need a account20:53
TemeVthat might be somewhat right :)20:53
guest4321great! :)20:54
TemeVdon't expect huge ux with nemo though, afaik it's quite far from complete20:54
guest4321yes... I don't even know what it actually is20:55
TemeVit's a linux distro20:55
TemeVhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo20:55
guest4321but maybe tommorow the website works again https://sailfishos.org/about/qa/20:56
guest4321yes, but I don't know the relationship to SailfishOS20:57
TemeVboth are based on mer20:58
TemeVbasically it is "open source replacement" for everything that is closed in Sailfish20:58
guest4321ahh ... I see20:59
TemeVsomething like fedora is for red hat21:00
guest4321sounds good, but probably not available for my devices21:01
TemeVI don't know the details but basically if you can install Sailfish you should be able to run nemo21:02
mal-guest4321: what device do you have?21:03
Nokiuskimmoli: Hi WordWrap is may not bad for gist title the text is some times to long so back swipe shows it21:03
guest4321mal-: Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013). on the wiki site I only see support for Nokia devices and "some" support for Nexus 7 (2012), Pandaboard and x8621:04
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kimmoliNokius: thanks21:06
Nokiuskimmoli: do u need a screenshot? no probs telling issues helps to make good software :)21:07
Nokiusguest4321: u see the work page check this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris21:08
Nokiusgn821:09
guest4321Nokius: errm...yes. Thanks, now I actually realise that it's the mer wiki :)21:09
kimmoliNokius: fixed in 0.0.6-8, available in OR21:09
guest4321I always linked that page to sailfishOS...oh my21:09
Nokiusmer wiki is a good place to start :D21:10
Nokiuskimmoli: ok checking21:10
kimmolijust setting clip true to Filcable21:11
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Nokiuskimmoli: nice just saw the changelog21:13
Nokiuskimmoli: file with *.sh are blocked btw.21:14
Nokiusno preview shows the info only21:14
kimmolihöh21:15
kimmoliwhat is type?21:15
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Nokiusapplication/x-sh21:15
kimmolipöh21:16
Nokiusaslo text/plain has some time highlighting21:16
kimmoliif qml21:16
kimmolior what you mean with highlighting?21:17
Nokiuskimmoli: how to say21:18
kimmoliin the listview?21:18
Nokiuslike the text is in a label21:18
Nokiusyes in the list view21:19
guest4321ok, I see that there is a lot to learn for me. I often looked at the libhybris page but always thought it relates to SailfishOS. so, if there is "nemo mobile", too, which doesn't need any accounts to download apps this now makes a lot more sense to me.21:19
Nokiuskimmoli: the highlighting? is random for same types21:19
guest4321thanks guys and sorry again for mixing all up (ubuntu, nemo, sailfishOS, and so on)21:20
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kimmoliNokius: listview groups files in same gist with background color21:23
Nokiusah21:24
guest4321good night to all21:24
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kimmolign21:24
kimmolii'll fix .sh et.al. tomorrow21:25
Nokiuskimmoli: okay but the grouping is then some how broken it not grouping all gist  i will share screen shot tomorrow :)21:26
Nokiusgn821:26
kimmolign21:26
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SaberAltriaHello22:31
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Thaodanat meamo forums I head of an update 1.6, is the a new preview but not public aviable?22:59
Thaodan*heard22:59
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coderusTemeV: if you don't see it on tjc its not a public23:36
coderusoh sorry TemeV23:36
coderusThaodan left as usual23:36
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