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| yangm | I just installed a sailfish os port for nexus 5 and... I can't install android apps? | 00:25 |
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| scottc | if it's the ROM I'm thinking of, in the OP on xda-devs it says "Android app support is not available" | 00:26 |
| scottc | http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/development/rom-sailfish-os-alpha-t2841266 | 00:26 |
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| yangm | scottc, so, it's closed source and not going to be released as a blob whatsoever? | 00:31 |
| sandsmark | the android stuff is not jolla's, it's just licensed from another company | 00:35 |
| scottc | I don't know much about Alien Dalvik, maybe someone else can tell you more | 00:35 |
| scottc | beat me to it :) | 00:35 |
| sandsmark | one problem is that google is pushing the google play services APIs pretty hard, so just a normal android environment won't support many of the most common applications | 00:37 |
| yangm | google -> play services apk -> download | 00:37 |
| yangm | from a user point of view | 00:38 |
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| yangm | I really would like to se this sailfish partition my daily driver | 00:39 |
| yangm | but without spotify | 00:39 |
| yangm | no way | 00:39 |
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| sandsmark | cutespot works very well | 00:40 |
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| sandsmark | https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespot | 00:40 |
| sandsmark | I actually prefer that UI over the new crap they've pushed on android | 00:41 |
| scottc | heh, I even have a native Spotify client for my N900 :) | 00:41 |
| yangm | openrepos... | 00:41 |
| yangm | wow, I'm really noob | 00:41 |
| sandsmark | you probably want the warehouse application to handle openrepos on the phone | 00:42 |
| yangm | I really should find myself a FAQ | 00:42 |
| yangm | but I'm liking this OS | 00:42 |
| scottc | I only discovered openrepos a month after I bought my Jolla :P | 00:42 |
| scottc | it's nice | 00:43 |
| yangm | is warehouse on jolla store? | 00:43 |
| FireFly | I didn't use openrepos for the first ~year | 00:43 |
| FireFly | and barely use it now either.. | 00:43 |
| scottc | I use it occasionally, depends what I'm looking for | 00:43 |
| FireFly | yangm: nope, it can't be I think, since it adds new repos | 00:43 |
| yangm | how can I take screen shots? | 00:43 |
| scottc | mostly the official store though | 00:43 |
| FireFly | There are some screenshot apps in the store | 00:44 |
| yangm | so sailfish is linux and I should use it's terminal for real? | 00:44 |
| FireFly | You don't have to, but you could if you want | 00:44 |
| scottc | I do miss the screenshot key combo like in Android, that would be nice | 00:44 |
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| FireFly | You can get a terminal by enabling developer mode in settings | 00:44 |
| FireFly | it also installs vim and some other tools | 00:45 |
| sandsmark | scottc: can probably get it with the powerbutton thingy from coderus? | 00:45 |
| scottc | i didn't know about it but "powerbutton thingy" already sounds like something i want | 00:45 |
| scottc | thanks :D | 00:45 |
| sandsmark | it's on openrepos | 00:45 |
| sandsmark | scottc: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu-2 | 00:46 |
| FireFly | I'll probably bind some key/combo to screenshot once I get the tohkbd | 00:46 |
| scottc | nice, thanks sandsmark! | 00:46 |
| sandsmark | np | 00:46 |
| yangm | wow rpm | 00:46 |
| scottc | mm, I'd like the tohkbd too | 00:46 |
| sandsmark | all of coderus' stuff is worth at least a look | 00:46 |
| sandsmark | yangm: the store is just a packagekit-frontend | 00:46 |
| sandsmark | you can use the packagekit console interface pkcon from the terminal as well | 00:47 |
| FireFly | Yeah, I like his battery indicator in the official store | 00:47 |
| sandsmark | yeah, it's awesome | 00:47 |
| yangm | now, how do I "push" the rpm to the nexus? I use OS X so no MTP love for me | 00:47 |
| yangm | adb? | 00:47 |
| sandsmark | sftp | 00:47 |
| FireFly | If you've enabled developer mode, it should run an sshd | 00:47 |
| FireFly | I just scp to/from it | 00:47 |
| yangm | it has terminal installed since first boot | 00:48 |
| FireFly | Hm | 00:48 |
| yangm | so it should be running on dev mode, right? | 00:48 |
| FireFly | Yeah, I think so | 00:48 |
| scottc | no mtp support? I thought that it would Just Work (tm) | 00:48 |
| yangm | scottc, "just works... if you buy our iThings! ha!" | 00:49 |
| scottc | :) | 00:50 |
| FireFly | yangm: if you go settings > system > developer mode you should be able to setup a password for the nemo user | 00:50 |
| sandsmark | and also view the IP you need to connect to | 00:50 |
| yangm | oh | 00:50 |
| yangm | ok | 00:50 |
| * FireFly copied over his public key and then disabled password login.. | 00:51 | |
| * yangm gonna do the same | 00:51 | |
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| sandsmark | I just use coderus' PAM dialog thing | 00:51 |
| yangm | is it just my build or there's no icons for 1080p? | 00:51 |
| sandsmark | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation | 00:51 |
| FireFly | Hum, dunno | 00:51 |
| sandsmark | yangm: there's better hires-support coming in the next version of sailfishos | 00:52 |
| sandsmark | because of the tablet | 00:52 |
| FireFly | Do you have the phone or the tablet? | 00:52 |
| FireFly | or is the tablet even released yet? I haven't paid attention to it | 00:52 |
| sandsmark | it hasn't started shipping yet | 00:52 |
| scottc | I wish the tablet was out... | 00:52 |
| sandsmark | it got pushed back a month iirc | 00:52 |
| FireFly | Ah, okay | 00:52 |
| yangm | talking about newer versions of sailfish, can I update mine without installing a port? | 00:52 |
| FireFly | I'm not very interested in it personally | 00:52 |
| scottc | I'm very excited for it | 00:53 |
| FireFly | Well, I'm hoping it's just like the other updates, that they just roll it out to everyone | 00:53 |
| yangm | good god, we can use ssh over wireless, no adb + root bullcrap needed! | 00:53 |
| sandsmark | yeah, it is very nice | 00:54 |
| sandsmark | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-4/ about the tablet | 00:54 |
| sandsmark | «New shipping target for Jolla Tablet: end of July 2015» | 00:54 |
| yangm | what username? | 00:55 |
| scottc | yangm: if you like that, try out the ide. it's so swish and nice. | 00:55 |
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| FireFly | "nemo" | 00:55 |
| sandsmark | yeah, qtcreator is awesome | 00:56 |
| sandsmark | I really wonder why blackberry went for eclipse instead of it, developing for blackberry was a major PITA because of that | 00:56 |
| scottc | qtcreator itself is great, but I love the emulator integration and deployments, so elegant | 00:56 |
| sandsmark | indeed | 00:57 |
| sandsmark | I use qtcreator for pretty much all my coding (or vim, depends on the mood), so I'm extremely happy about getting to use it for sailfish development as well | 00:57 |
| scottc | nice | 00:58 |
| scottc | I pretty much exclusively use vim, but qtcreator almost made me want to change | 00:58 |
| yangm | now... how do I install? | 00:58 |
| sandsmark | pkcon install-local foo.rpm | 00:59 |
| sandsmark | iirc | 00:59 |
| scottc | you can even just install file manager app from store and tap it if you feel like being lazy | 00:59 |
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| sandsmark | yeah, that | 00:59 |
| sandsmark | 's what I did | 00:59 |
| yangm | it has a file manager built in | 00:59 |
| yangm | but it's bugged | 00:59 |
| sandsmark | or, I downloaded it with the browser and clicked it | 01:00 |
| sandsmark | oh, and I saw that someone had managed to get chromium to run on sailfish, that will hopefully be pretty awesome | 01:00 |
| yangm | "Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication." | 01:00 |
| scottc | chromium for SfOS? nice | 01:00 |
| sandsmark | yangm: you probably need to be root | 01:00 |
| sandsmark | run devel-su | 01:01 |
| sandsmark | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8tjBpWCM0E chromium running in the sailfish emulator | 01:01 |
| FireFly | if you download via the browser, just clicking on it in the downloads list thingy should work IIRC | 01:01 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 01:01 |
| yangm | yep | 01:01 |
| yangm | worked | 01:01 |
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| FireFly | oh, #jollamobile is the main channel for discussion about the phone btw | 01:02 |
| FireFly | I think this is more app-developer-y | 01:02 |
| FireFly | this channel* | 01:02 |
| yangm | FireFly, should I use it even though my "jolla mobile" is a nexus 5? | 01:07 |
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| yangm | sandsmark, cutespotify wont play a single song | 01:08 |
| sandsmark | uhm | 01:08 |
| sandsmark | is sound working in general? | 01:08 |
| yangm | idk, would test using spotify | 01:08 |
| sandsmark | I mean on the phone | 01:08 |
| sandsmark | does it give any output if you run it from the terminal (or via ssh) instead? | 01:09 |
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| yangm | phone calls are ok | 01:10 |
| sandsmark | that uses a slightly different codepath (or whateveR) in pulseaudio tho | 01:11 |
| sandsmark | but yeah, any output in the terminal/ssh? | 01:11 |
| yangm | how do I do it? | 01:11 |
| sandsmark | just ssh in, and run "harbour-cutespotify" | 01:12 |
| sandsmark | iirc that's the name of it | 01:12 |
| FireFly | yangm: oh hm, maybe not | 01:12 |
| scottc | yangm: i just installed cutespot right now and it works great | 01:12 |
| FireFly | (about whether #jollamobile would be appropriate) | 01:12 |
| sandsmark | (it's using wayland, so no need for "export DISPLAY" or whatever) | 01:12 |
| yangm | cutespot gave me a error about pulseaudio, but cutespotify from the same dev installed ok | 01:13 |
| scottc | hum | 01:13 |
| scottc | i thought that cutespotify was renamed to cutespot? | 01:13 |
| sandsmark | it was | 01:13 |
| scottc | so cutespotify would be deprecated | 01:13 |
| sandsmark | so cutespotify is an older version | 01:13 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 01:13 |
| sandsmark | it's because of trademark crap from spotify, iirc | 01:13 |
| yangm | oh | 01:13 |
| scottc | right right | 01:13 |
| sandsmark | but if cutespotify works for you, use that :) | 01:14 |
| sandsmark | at least if the annoying crashbug is fixed in it | 01:14 |
| yangm | so, how can I print or easily copy the error from cutespot? | 01:14 |
| sandsmark | (if you get random crashes you should try to get cutespot working) | 01:14 |
| sandsmark | yangm: just copy it from the terminal you've SSHed in from | 01:14 |
| sandsmark | and if it's a lot use pastie.org :) | 01:14 |
| yangm | I mean, when I try to install cutespot using that app store | 01:14 |
| sandsmark | oh, you get an error from warehous? | 01:15 |
| sandsmark | e | 01:15 |
| yangm | yep | 01:15 |
| sandsmark | ok, might need to install a screenshot app then :) | 01:16 |
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| * FireFly just discovered patchmanager | 01:16 | |
| sandsmark | if you can't long-click on the text to select it | 01:16 |
| * FireFly has some reading to do | 01:16 | |
| sandsmark | haha | 01:16 |
| sandsmark | there's a ton of hidden useful stuff in the sailfish ecosystem | 01:16 |
| sandsmark | takes some time to discover it all | 01:16 |
| FireFly | Just like with Maemo :P | 01:17 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 01:17 |
| yangm | "yada yada needs pulseaudio cannot be provided" | 01:17 |
| sandsmark | uh | 01:17 |
| sandsmark | how can it play any audio without pulseaudio | 01:17 |
| yangm | "click" sounds also work fine | 01:17 |
| sandsmark | no mention of versions? | 01:17 |
| Kazaii | :< I want sailfishOS | 01:18 |
| Kazaii | I should buy the tablet | 01:18 |
| yangm | just mentions qt5 | 01:18 |
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| FireFly | what do you get if you run "pkcon get-details pulseaudio"? | 01:19 |
| yangm | More than one package matches: | 01:20 |
| yangm | 1. pulseaudio-5.0+git8-1.10.2.armv7hl [installed] | 01:20 |
| yangm | 2. pulseaudio-5.0+git8-1.10.2.source [jolla] | 01:20 |
| yangm | Please choose the correct package: | 01:20 |
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| sandsmark | hmm, it is installed already | 01:20 |
| sandsmark | pkcon search name cutespot? | 01:20 |
| FireFly | yeah.. same as for me then | 01:20 |
| sandsmark | and try to install it with pkcon install cutespot or whatever it is called | 01:21 |
| yangm | http://i.imgur.com/jm1xNjF.png | 01:22 |
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| sandsmark | yeah, you need pkcon install harbour-cutespot | 01:23 |
| yangm | Fatal error: harbour-cutespot-1.5.4-1.armv7hl requires qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio, but this requirement cannot be provided | 01:23 |
| sandsmark | aaah | 01:24 |
| sandsmark | interesting that it is missing from the port... | 01:24 |
| sandsmark | pkcon search name pulseaudio? | 01:24 |
| sandsmark | is there anything similar there? | 01:24 |
| yangm | wow | 01:24 |
| yangm | gonna pastebin it | 01:25 |
| sandsmark | that many :p | 01:25 |
| yangm | http://pastebin.com/g6rNRKfw | 01:26 |
| sandsmark | pkcon install qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio? | 01:26 |
| yangm | Fatal error: qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio-5.2.1+git4-1.16.2.armv7hl requires qt5-qtmultimedia = 5.2.1+git4-1.16.2, but this requirement cannot be provided | 01:28 |
| sandsmark | pkcon search name qt5-multimedia? | 01:28 |
| sandsmark | looks like there's an old version of qt or newer version of qt installed... | 01:28 |
| sandsmark | that's an ugly mess, who did the port? :p | 01:29 |
| yangm | 0 | 01:29 |
| yangm | the list is empty | 01:29 |
| yangm | this guy http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/development/rom-sailfish-os-alpha-t2841266 | 01:29 |
| Elleo | that should have been: pkcon search name qt5-qtmultimedia | 01:29 |
| yangm | http://pastebin.com/SNyJ036z | 01:31 |
| Elleo | looks like the port is using qt 5.3 but the repos only have 5.2 | 01:31 |
| sandsmark | yeah, seems like the qt version installed is 5.3, but the pulseaudio plugin is for 5.2 | 01:32 |
| yangm | what can be done then? | 01:32 |
| sandsmark | hum, ask the porter to compile that plugin for the new version, I guess | 01:33 |
| Elleo | yangm: if the old version with the missing pulseaudio dep works, then you could try installing the package with dependencies ignored, sounds like the pulseaudio module is actually already bundled with the 5.3 version of qtmultimedia in the port | 01:33 |
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| yangm | Elleo, how can I do it? | 01:33 |
| Elleo | oh actually, no I think it might be a packaging change from lukedirtwater | 01:33 |
| Elleo | I think in the previous versions it used to bundle that plugin as part of the package | 01:34 |
| Elleo | so you're probably out of luck until the packages in repo the port use are updated to qt 5.3 | 01:34 |
| yangm | oh | 01:34 |
| sandsmark | hmm | 01:34 |
| sandsmark | but cutespotify worked? | 01:34 |
| sandsmark | just use that instead | 01:35 |
| yangm | nope | 01:35 |
| sandsmark | oh | 01:35 |
| yangm | it would't play a song | 01:35 |
| sandsmark | ah, yes | 01:35 |
| sandsmark | but did you get any output if you ran it via ssh? | 01:35 |
| Elleo | if the pulseaudio module either isn't bundled (or is bundled but compiled for 5.2) then you won't get any sound | 01:35 |
| yangm | [root@Jolla nemo]# harbour-cutespotify | 01:36 |
| yangm | error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment. | 01:36 |
| yangm | [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory) | 01:36 |
| Elleo | yangm: you'll need to run it as the nemo user, not as root | 01:36 |
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| yangm | oops | 01:36 |
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| yangm | nope | 01:39 |
| yangm | it refuses to play | 01:39 |
| sandsmark | and no output in the terminal? | 01:39 |
| sandsmark | then I suspect the problem is the missing plugin | 01:39 |
| yangm | like, I click, it shows the song and then the song vanishes | 01:39 |
| Elleo | it is | 01:39 |
| yangm | terminal is mute | 01:39 |
| Elleo | without the pulseaudio plugin there's no audio backend for QAudioOutput | 01:39 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 01:39 |
| yangm | what browser can I install? youtube didn't run on stock | 01:40 |
| sandsmark | so just a packaging bug in cutespotify that it doesn't depend on it | 01:40 |
| sandsmark | yangm: any of the webkit ones should work | 01:40 |
| sandsmark | the pirate-named one has adblock | 01:40 |
| Elleo | sandsmark: I think it bundles the plugin (but it won't be loadable because its compiled against an older version of qt) | 01:40 |
| yangm | chromium? | 01:40 |
| Elleo | anyway, bed time for me; night :) | 01:41 |
| sandsmark | gnite | 01:41 |
| yangm | good night | 01:41 |
| sandsmark | but yeah, makes sense | 01:41 |
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| sandsmark | yangm: don't think anyone has published that yet | 01:41 |
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| yangm | so, what browser should I install? | 01:43 |
| sandsmark | I'd go with https://openrepos.net/content/dax/webpirate | 01:46 |
| sandsmark | it has a rudimentary ad blocker :) | 01:47 |
| yangm | so, there are some updates for things with qt on their name | 01:47 |
| yangm | I really need to look after this screenshot app | 01:47 |
| sandsmark | yeah, there are several of those in the official store | 01:47 |
| yangm | can you change "more anything" than in android? | 01:52 |
| sandsmark | what do you mean? | 01:53 |
| yangm | is there any pushbullet app? | 01:53 |
| sandsmark | don't know what pushbullet is | 01:53 |
| yangm | I mean, you can change android's launcher and that's almost all of it | 01:53 |
| yangm | it's a gift from heaven | 01:53 |
| sandsmark | doesn't look like it | 01:54 |
| sandsmark | just a request for porting | 01:54 |
| sandsmark | someone was talking about a kdeconnect app, though that won't help you on osx | 01:54 |
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| yangm | I have shared clipboard, can push files, sites, images, text, etc | 01:55 |
| yangm | works with android and ios, os x and windows (and linux love through a chrome/firefox extension) | 01:55 |
| yangm | also mirrored notifications | 01:55 |
| yangm | webpirate installed | 01:56 |
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| sandsmark | yeah, that sounds similar to kdeconnect | 01:57 |
| sandsmark | (kdeconnect has some more features, though, like ability to use the phone as a touchpad, which is really nice with a stylus :) | 01:57 |
| yangm | getting forbidden on youtube at webpirate | 01:58 |
| sandsmark | uuuuh | 01:58 |
| yangm | every resolution | 01:58 |
| sandsmark | what the fuck :D | 01:58 |
| sandsmark | maybe try one of the other browsers, seems like webpirate has some special youtube integration... | 01:59 |
| yangm | uh... like? | 01:59 |
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| sandsmark | webcat | 02:00 |
| yangm | also getting forbidden on webcat o.O | 02:03 |
| sandsmark | this is extremely weird | 02:04 |
| sandsmark | but my webfu isn't very strong, so really no idea what could be wrong | 02:04 |
| sandsmark | aand, I need to sleep | 02:06 |
| sandsmark | good luck and good night :) | 02:06 |
| yangm | me too | 02:06 |
| yangm | well, seems like tomorrow is going to be another android day | 02:06 |
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| schutzwurst | usb devel mode 4 debian: http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ | 06:35 |
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| tayrn | 10 | 06:40 |
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| narchie | sailfishos could not be upgraded :^) | 06:41 |
| narchie | now I have % percent battery left | 06:43 |
| narchie | perfect | 06:43 |
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| carepack | coderus: around? | 08:28 |
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| coderus | carepack: always, but sleeping sometimes | 08:59 |
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| carepack | ;) of course | 09:00 |
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| lukedirtwalker | Elleo: Oh I c, I never bundled pulseaudio plugins :D as I have the linked folder empty. | 10:00 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 10:24 |
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| pako | hi, is there a way to play *.webm video files in my sailfish os application? | 10:35 |
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| pako | i tried VideoOutput without success | 10:36 |
| scottc | I don't know specifically about those, but I recently found LLs vPlayer in openrepos and it's played everything I've thrown at it | 10:37 |
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| pako | i'll take a look at that source | 10:44 |
| scottc | oh, i misread your post - i thought you just wanted to play the file in an app, whoops :) still, maybe it's open source | 10:45 |
| scottc | https://github.com/llelectronics/videoPlayer | 10:45 |
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| pako | yeah thanks | 10:56 |
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| dia1234 | Hello everyone ! I have just installed SailfishOS on a Nexus 4 phone and it works which is great. However, none of the applications can't be lunched. Do you guys know any solution for this problem ? Thank you in advance ! | 15:49 |
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| Nicd- | dia1234: might have more luck at #sailfishos-porters | 15:58 |
| dia1234 | Thanks Nicd | 15:58 |
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| coderus | i suppose "none of applications" means old android icons in sailfish launcher :) | 17:43 |
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| toerb | how can i show a picture in a listElement and right of it some text? like gpodder does: http://www.tizenexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/gPodder-Sailfish-OS-SDK-Release-1.jpg | 19:17 |
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| toerb | gpodder sources are very strange when looking for their listView model and delegator | 19:18 |
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| kimmoli | toerb: that is a row ? | 19:29 |
| coderus | kimmoli: seems so | 19:30 |
| coderus | toerb: there is no complex components for everything, just use qml in a right way: do your own structure as you need | 19:31 |
| toerb | coderus: seems sane | 19:31 |
| coderus | this is the best advantage of qml i never seen in other frameworks | 19:32 |
| toerb | so a rectangle with an image and label in it should work | 19:32 |
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| toerb | so I have now a working listView which looks nice, a function for loading some json from web and parse it into the listModel | 20:27 |
| toerb | for the easyness of testing I just activated this function with a pulldown menu | 20:28 |
| toerb | how can I start it with loading the SilicaListView? | 20:28 |
| coderus | toerb: Component.onCompleted | 20:28 |
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| toerb | coderus: thank you :) | 20:31 |
| toerb | coding for sailfish is such a good alternative for learning for those three exams I have in the next three days ;D | 20:32 |
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| yangm | sailfish is beautiful | 21:04 |
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