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| jaacoppi | if it will, the changes will be minor | 04:55 |
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| jaacoppi | ..eh, /ignore quits parts worked as expected | 04:56 |
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| Aciid | have you tried /ignore legit+questions | 05:44 |
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| narchie | Aciid yes freenode channels seem to enforce it | 05:45 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 06:33 |
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| coderus | my qtc deploy gets crazy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10831563 | 07:33 |
| coderus | from where it getting file list? | 07:33 |
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| coderus | and i can't find these files in my system :D | 07:38 |
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| coderus | and no, i don't want to reinstall sdk, i want to fix this issue and make solution known for everyone | 07:54 |
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| daitheflu | hi ! | 07:55 |
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| coderus | if you missed, u12 opt-in is officially out! https://together.jolla.com/question/89804/release-notes-114-aijanpaivanjarvi-early-access/ | 11:45 |
| olpe | cool | 11:45 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://superpowered.com/androidaudiopathlatency/#axzz3XTMuEPaq | 11:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how affect us ? | 11:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i dunno if is porters / jolla / nemo channel | 11:59 |
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| sjtoik | damn i hate sites that interrupt your reading with a lightbox popup | 12:13 |
| Mirv | coderus: apparently u13 even, u12 having been cancelled | 12:13 |
| Mirv | so I wonder if the upgrade now did btrfs balance as I remember seeing in some earlier notes, or if it's now only for the next upgrade that it'll be done | 12:13 |
| Nicd- | Mirv: for next upgrade and weekly balance tuesday at 2 am | 12:16 |
| Nicd- | if phone is charging | 12:16 |
| Mirv | weekly balance, nice! | 12:17 |
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| coderus | Mirv: u12 | 12:24 |
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| Aard | coderus: u13 | 12:24 |
| coderus | Aard: you using uXX names internally? | 12:27 |
| Aard | coderus: phasing them out, moving to version numbers only | 12:28 |
| coderus | so, 1.0.0.5 <- U1 1.0.1.12 <- U2 1.0.2.5 <- U3 1.0.3.8 <- U4 1.0.4.20 <- U5 1.0.5.19 <- U6 1.0.7.18 <- U7 1.0.8.21 <- U8 1.1.0.39 <- U9 1.1.1.27 <- U10 1.1.2.16 <- U11 1.1.4.28 <- U12 | 12:30 |
| coderus | if we count only delivered to user updates | 12:30 |
| coderus | if not, then 1.1.4.28 will be U15 or U16 | 12:30 |
| Aard | we count skipped updates as well. also 1.0.0.5 is not counted as update, but 'initial release' | 12:30 |
| coderus | 1.0.6.x is skipped, 1.0.9.x is skipped, 1.1.3.x is skipped | 12:31 |
| coderus | if we count everything skipped, then 1.1.4.28 is U15 :) | 12:32 |
| Aard | coderus: 1.0.9.x was a jump in version number (which won't happen again), so is not counted | 12:32 |
| Mirv | coderus: it says at the top of your link that the skipped 1.1.3.x was u12 so that this is u13 | 12:32 |
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| coderus | Aard: it's skipped as well | 12:33 |
| coderus | anyway, there is no logic it seems :) | 12:33 |
| coderus | lets use version numbers and forget about uXX | 12:33 |
| Mirv | I guess it depends on whether there was an internal milestone being created but canceled or if something was truly skipped | 12:34 |
| Aard | coderus: no, as for all the other releases we skipped we had RCs with that version number | 12:34 |
| coderus | ah, we don't know if you skip next version or not, so we can't :D | 12:34 |
| Mirv | +1 for version numbers only | 12:34 |
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| Aard | coderus: well, it's useful for identifying a specific _released_ upgrade | 12:34 |
| coderus | Aard: seems so :) | 12:35 |
| kontio | e.g. feature xy will be in u17, or feature zz will not be in before u15 | 12:35 |
| Aard | coderus: also the development cycle when we _branch_ is fixed to specific dates, just the actual release date is variable due to different amoutn of effort required to get it stable | 12:36 |
| Mirv | well if u17 is called 1.1.8, nothing changes, since if u16 is cancelled then there will just be 1.1.6 -> 1.1.7 | 12:36 |
| Aard | so internally we can use the version numbers for feature planning, as after branching no new features are allowed in a release | 12:37 |
| locusf | but 2.0 is coming | 12:37 |
| Mirv | -> 1.1.8, that is | 12:37 |
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| Mirv | anyhow, not the top critical priority problem :D | 12:37 |
| coderus | just forget about versioning and use April'15 update | 12:37 |
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| Aard | locusf: 2.0 is a marketing term mostly meaning the UX changes, the versioning of the core OS (which contains several modules, including the UX module) will just continue as before | 12:37 |
| coderus | April'15+bugfix101 | 12:38 |
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| locusf | Aard: ah ok, figured as much :) | 12:38 |
| coderus | Aard: i don't remember, first Jolla Phones was released with 1.0.0.5 or 1.0.0.1 and was upgraded to 1.0.0.5? | 12:39 |
| Aard | coderus: 1.0.0.5 | 12:39 |
| coderus | okay | 12:39 |
| jaacoppi | Sailfishos versioning system contains endless possibilities for making fun of it | 12:41 |
| Aard | jaacoppi: ? | 12:41 |
| jaacoppi | as we discuss here every few days, many different naming conventions, skipping releases, 4-layered version numbers etc etc | 12:42 |
| jaacoppi | it's a mess | 12:42 |
| jaacoppi | I proposed sailfishos 2.0.0.7-jun25_2015-Päijänne-Snickers for the next version | 12:43 |
| Aard | not really. it's supposed to do two things: a) clearly identify a specific build b) allow us internally to use it to pin targets to a specific release cycle | 12:43 |
| Aard | a) is achieved by having the last part of the version number a build counter | 12:44 |
| Aard | b) is achieved by bumping the version number every time a new release cycle starts | 12:44 |
| Aard | release cycles start at fixed intervals, and depending on quality of current and/or next cycle we may or may not publish the result | 12:44 |
| jaacoppi | might make sense to you internally, but not the end user | 12:45 |
| toerb | and c) funny names of finnish lakes for the folks | 12:45 |
| Aard | toerb: that's just for entertainment | 12:45 |
| toerb | (which i like) :) | 12:45 |
| scottc | the finnish lake names are great | 12:45 |
| Aard | jaacoppi: the end user does not need to care about version numbers at all, unless he discusses an issue with care | 12:45 |
| scottc | but i will NEVER be able to remember a version name :D | 12:45 |
| coderus | still better than Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean and Lollipop | 12:45 |
| scottc | you forgot KITKAT | 12:46 |
| scottc | the worst of all | 12:46 |
| coderus | and kitkat sure ;) | 12:46 |
| scottc | :) | 12:46 |
| jaacoppi | kitkat eating snow lion on the shores of Äijänpäivänjärvi | 12:47 |
| scottc | :D | 12:48 |
| scottc | i had to ask a finnish friend what the version names were | 12:48 |
| scottc | i even tried translating them, but no | 12:48 |
| Yaniel | they are exactly that | 12:48 |
| Yaniel | names | 12:48 |
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| scottc | yep | 12:48 |
| Yaniel | one does not simply translate names | 12:48 |
| scottc | i know now, but i was not always so well-informed :) | 12:49 |
| Yaniel | ^^ | 12:49 |
| scottc | excuse me for not being able to recognise a finnish place name vs. a regular finnish word! ;) | 12:49 |
| Aard | scottc: we just needed a naming scheme supporting a fast release cycle. finland _might_ have enough lakes to support that. | 12:49 |
| scottc | hah! :D | 12:49 |
| scottc | from wikipedia: "There are 187,888 lakes in Finland larger than 5 ares (500 square metres)" | 12:50 |
| jaacoppi | indeed for the uninitiated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lakes_in_Finland | 12:51 |
| scottc | wonderful | 12:51 |
| Aard | jaacoppi: we're using http://www.jarviwiki.fi as source | 12:52 |
| Aard | will last a bit longer, but iirc they only have something like 20k names there | 12:52 |
| jaacoppi | Aard: is it random or do you choose specific places, like the lake someone's grandpa was born by? | 12:53 |
| Yaniel | or whatever works best for screwing with non-finns | 12:54 |
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| Aard | jaacoppi: it's not random. originally it was just the first unused name of the next letter in the alphabet, but since people had so much fun guessing what the next name is, and figured that out quickly I made it a bit harder :) | 12:54 |
| mal- | just curious how many different lake names there are in Finland since quite many have same names | 12:54 |
| scottc | probably sorted by number of accented characters ;D | 12:55 |
| scottc | or a function of the number of repeated letters? who knows | 12:55 |
| jaacoppi | http://yle.fi/uutiset/onko_sinun_jarvesi_nimi_suomen_yleisin/7293538 top 10 lakenames account for more than a thousand lakes | 12:57 |
| TemeV | mal-: well there is like 100k lakes. If there is 10 of each name on average it would mean 10k names :) | 12:58 |
| Aard | jaacoppi: yes, for now I'm skipping those. in case we run out of names it'll give me a buffer before we need to start funding listing all the smaller lakes ("what? no, we didn't have that before! it's the same name, just a different lake!") | 12:59 |
| mal- | TemeV: still quite enough for version naming :) | 12:59 |
| scottc | these are the day-to-day struggles that jolla engineers face | 13:00 |
| jaacoppi | scottc: just think about the design team.. they have go and photograph all the lakes so the update page can have a cover image | 13:00 |
| scottc | hahah :D | 13:00 |
| scottc | i'll forward my CV! | 13:01 |
| TemeV | mal-: with this pace they run out of names in 800 years or something | 13:04 |
| TemeV | Better to start thinking about the next naming scheme, 800 years passes faster than you think | 13:04 |
| Aard | TemeV: I hope that still during this year we'll run through 2 names/month | 13:06 |
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| TemeV | oh, so it would be only 400 years | 13:07 |
| Aard | and long term target is 1 name/week (though when we're there a lot of them will not be released to the public) | 13:08 |
| toerb | TemeV: less than a yoda can live | 13:08 |
| toerb | life* | 13:09 |
| toerb | whatever :/ | 13:09 |
| Aard | toerb: li?e | 13:09 |
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| TemeV | so you're saying names last only for 100 years | 13:13 |
| Aard | yes | 13:13 |
| TemeV | Damn, you should not use such a finite resource that loosely | 13:14 |
| kontio | but I think it's still longer than candy names exists :p | 13:14 |
| toerb | you all ignore that in 100 years many new lakes can be created ;) | 13:14 |
| Aard | also sweden has a few lakes as well, so just invading sweden would be an option | 13:15 |
| TemeV | Or just start diging your own lakes | 13:15 |
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| Aard | I would appreciate a nice lake near me. I'll provide shovels, if there are any volunteers | 13:16 |
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| scottc | you could stage the next Jolla release name | 13:17 |
| toerb | when i can name it :D | 13:17 |
| scottc | AardIsAweesoaoemme | 13:17 |
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| Aard | toerb: you can name it if you convince the neighbours that it makes more sense to have a lake here instead of their houses | 13:18 |
| TemeV | What was the Finnish definition for lake. Diggin lakes in Germany would be easier, they seem to call any puddle they saa a lake | 13:18 |
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| flux | temev, "A lake is an area separated from sea by the forms of nature. There is no flow in a lake towards a certain direction, at least not continously. A water body standing still smaller than a lake is called a.. puddle (lampi?)." "..there is no precise size definition for a lake." apparently though 0.05 hectare is some limit, and so is a water body with a diameter >= 200 meters. sez the finnish wikipedia on Järvi. | 13:27 |
| kontio | 0.05 hectare gives quite a pool :D | 13:28 |
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| scottc | lampi? wasn't there a release called (i'm so sorry for my spelling) something like yliivanlampi? | 13:29 |
| scottc | yliaavanlampi, oops | 13:29 |
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| tbr | that's more like a 'pond' | 13:31 |
| scottc | wow | 13:31 |
| scottc | the finnish are serious about their lakes! | 13:31 |
| xfade_ | Try more than a thousand words for snow ;) | 13:31 |
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| scottc | i thought that was iceland! | 13:33 |
| scottc | probably wrong | 13:33 |
| kimmoli | just avoid yellow snow | 13:33 |
| xfade_ | tykky -> snow stuck and frozen on a tree ;) | 13:34 |
| xfade_ | I mean, really ;) | 13:34 |
| FireFly | Heh | 13:34 |
| kimmoli | vesi, melted snow ? | 13:35 |
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| scottc | amazing :D | 13:35 |
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| kimmoli | there is a list, in finnish; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_lunta_tarkoittavista_suomen_kielen_sanoista | 13:36 |
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| FireFly | What about snow near 0°C, suitable for shaping? | 13:40 |
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| * FireFly looked up "vesi" in wiktionary ... *ah* | 13:42 | |
| kimmoli | combo, swamp-pond, all are kinda large > ~ 4 ha: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Suolampi | 13:43 |
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| sandsmark | has anyone started on support for the facebook messenger protocol | 14:12 |
| sandsmark | could probably base it on this: https://github.com/jgeboski/bitlbee-facebook/ | 14:13 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | sandsmark: thanks, bookmarked | 14:40 |
| sandsmark | np | 14:40 |
| sandsmark | I started reversing the protocol myself earlier, but then I found that | 14:40 |
| sandsmark | (got as far as dumping a session from my android phone with ssl stripped, and writing a mqtt debugger) | 14:40 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | sandsmark: I'm doing it too | 14:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | https://github.com/SfietKonstantin/microf | 14:42 |
| sandsmark | ah, ok | 14:42 |
| sandsmark | nice! | 14:42 |
| Aard | coderus: did you have some admin rights on openrepos? if so, you might want to run an rpm -q --scripts on this, and consider removing it https://openrepos.net/content/omnight/phonehook | 14:42 |
| Aard | it showed up for some user as problem during update, had a look at it, parts of the scripts in there have the potential to cause rpm database corruption, in which case you'd need a factory reset | 14:43 |
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| sandsmark | SfietKonstantinW: hmm, what protocol are you using? | 14:46 |
| sandsmark | the MQTT one? | 14:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | no | 14:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | well | 14:46 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | technically I'm using the same as the one you sent | 14:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (MQTT ?) | 14:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | because at the end, it is all json | 14:46 |
| sandsmark | MQTT is the transport used for mobile stuff | 14:48 |
| sandsmark | https://github.com/jgeboski/bitlbee-facebook/blob/master/facebook/facebook-mqtt.c | 14:48 |
| sandsmark | it's supposed to be user for IoT-stuff, but facebook chose to use it for their messenger as well | 14:51 |
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| coderus | Aard: checking | 14:56 |
| kimmoli | sandsmark: #sailfishos-push | 14:57 |
| sandsmark | ah, nice | 14:57 |
| coderus | Aard: what is wrong with it scripts? | 14:59 |
| Aard | coderus: a lot. the worst bit probably is the 'remove rpm lock' part | 15:01 |
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| coderus | Aard: i see no such in phonehook-0.3.2-1.armv7hl.rpm | 15:04 |
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| Aard | mv -f /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock /var/lib/rpm/.rpm1.lock; | 15:05 |
| Aard | rpm --nopreun -e phonehook; | 15:05 |
| Aard | mv -f /var/lib/rpm/.rpm1.lock /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock; | 15:05 |
| coderus | ah, i didn;t checked this pretrans script | 15:05 |
| coderus | Aard: done, thank you | 15:08 |
| Aard | coderus: most of the other scripts are bad as well (no proper error checking, stuff which is better run in different ways (like oneshot), parts of the build(!) section -- my guess is that the hack with the locks is a result of botched scripts preventing update | 15:10 |
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| kimmoli | oo, nice scripts there, just what i needed | 15:18 |
| * Aard stares at kimmoli | 15:18 | |
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| Nokius|mobile | \o/ the black cover is fixed in u13 =) | 15:23 |
| Aard | Nokius|mobile: at least I hope it finally is gone for good | 15:24 |
| Nokius|mobile | thanks sailors | 15:24 |
| Nokius|mobile | Aard: :) | 15:24 |
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| Nokius|mobile | like also the new landscape keyboard which I use atm | 15:25 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | I can still update | 16:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I needed to reboot | 16:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-( | 16:22 |
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| jaacoppi | I like the new swipe | 16:25 |
| jaacoppi | feels hitech | 16:25 |
| * r0kk3rz waits for installer | 16:26 | |
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| r0kk3rz | agreed jaacoppi, very slick indeed | 16:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | woah woah woah | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator: allow QtPositioning | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | doth mine eyes deceive me | 17:02 |
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| Nokius|mobile_ | r0kk3rz: no it's aloud since a few weeks | 17:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | wow i must have missed the party on that one | 17:07 |
| jaacoppi | aye, it has been foretold | 17:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | Nokius|mobile_: also its allowed, aloud is for sound ie "he spoke aloud" | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | just fyi | 17:09 |
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| Nokius|mobile_ | r0kk3rz: true | 17:12 |
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| Summer | as changelog said, jolla clock have landscape mode? seem i cant active it | 17:26 |
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| Nokius|mobile_ | Summer: where u read that? | 17:34 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | is also not working for me | 17:35 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | like the new icons =) | 17:35 |
| Summer | https://together.jolla.com/question/89803/changelog-114-aijanpaivanjarvi/ | 17:35 |
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| Summer | jolla-clock | 17:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | changelog says a lot of stuff that might not be enabled yet i think | 17:40 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | Summer add a bug or it's not working | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | like the mpris controls | 17:40 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | ir it's for the tablet /bigger screen | 17:43 |
| r0kk3rz | although in the lock it mentions it three times | 17:43 |
| r0kk3rz | so who knows | 17:44 |
| r0kk3rz | shouldnt be just for tablet, but also tohkbd | 17:44 |
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| Nokius|mobile_ | mh | 17:48 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | looks like that this is for the tablet few entries looks to me that it landscape mode is getting ready for the tablet =D | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | Nokius|mobile_: why not both? | 17:52 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | mh may it makes no thens on the phone screen? to small | 17:54 |
| Nokius|mobile_ | r0kk3rz: it just a guess i don't work for jolla | 18:01 |
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| Aard | r0kk3rz: there's a lot of stuff which is ready in the middleware in that release (=interesting for developers to play with, tohugh will not yet get into harbour), but not available in the UI yet | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought that might be the case, thanks Aard | 19:24 |
| Aard | in case of mpris we especially split it off to a opensource library to eventually allow making it available in harbour | 19:25 |
| Aard | which made tho whole task take a bit longer | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah true, its the right way to do it though | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i might try and use it to make sure it works with my player | 19:26 |
| Aard | + I don't want to guarantee that nothing 'tablet only' slipped through in the changelog. we tried to clean those items out, but it's a long list, so it's easy to have a few slip through | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | i figured tablet type stuff would be marked as such | 19:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | Aard: any info about the mpris controls? github or something | 19:29 |
| Aard | somewhat related, the mer<>jolla bugzilla connection we've been talking about for so long is finally up, and since about a week ago it's mandatory to reference mer bugs for open components. so a lot of the stuff we're working on in public components should start showing up in the mer bugzilla | 19:30 |
| Aard | https://github.com/nemomobile/qtmpris | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | thanks | 19:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | nice to see you guys working closer with the mer guys as well | 19:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | so i guess the process for open components is to log mer bugs? rather than tjc or anything like that | 19:34 |
| Aard | if you can identify the component which is broken, yes. if you're just an ordinary user with no clue you should still go to together, and from there it'll get filtered, and maybe eventually end up as mer bug | 19:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah that makes sense | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah you guys implemented the player side mpris interfaces as well | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | might try and use it instead of my own implementation | 19:40 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: I'm doing both (together & Mer bugs) for the time being | 19:58 |
| M4rtinK | both have been successfully ignored so far though ;-) | 19:59 |
| * attah wishes that there was feedback/acknowledgement on TJC on filing bugs | 19:59 | |
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| r0kk3rz | they are starting to do the whole 'tracked by jolla' thing | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | which needs backlogging | 20:00 |
| attah | that would be nice, who to poke to get tracked? | 20:01 |
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| prometoys | hi, since when we can access the event view (notifications) from the launcher/app drawer? | 20:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | since always i thought | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | its supposed to be a global gesture | 20:40 |
| attah | me too | 20:40 |
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| cvp_ | o/ | 20:42 |
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| Anonyneko | Theoretically... how hard would it be to add 10-bit h264 support? To the system as a whole or as a custom player? (It can only be software-decoded) | 20:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | Anonyneko: can you find a cpp library that implements it? | 20:47 |
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| Anonyneko | I think ffmpeg is supposed to support it through libavcodec | 20:53 |
| Anonyneko | Honestly though I've never really messed with video players in linux before so I don't really know for sure what does what | 20:54 |
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