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| Jef91 | How do I select text in the sailfish default web brwoser? | 00:04 |
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| coderus | you can't without a patch | 00:29 |
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| Jef91 | does pyside work on sailfish? | 00:41 |
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| Jef91 | What is "mcetool" I see referenced in a few places on the jolla site tickets? | 04:41 |
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| jaacoppi | Jef91: python works | 07:20 |
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| TemeV | Mcetool is a commandline tool for some settings that are not accesible via GUI. | 07:57 |
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| Jef91 | TemeV, where do I get mcetool from? | 09:15 |
| Jef91 | Not seeing it on openrepos/the store | 09:16 |
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| entil | Jef91: if I do devel-su I can launch something called mce, is that it? | 09:23 |
| entil | I never really did anything low-level on the jolla | 09:23 |
| coderus | Jef91: pkcon install mce-tools? | 09:24 |
| coderus | Jef91: on sailfish PyOtherSide is using, not legacy PySide | 09:25 |
| Jef91 | coderus, pkcon install mce-tools did it - thank you :) | 09:26 |
| Jef91 | coderus, any idea if anyone has started work on legacy support? | 09:26 |
| Jef91 | would like to use some of my pyside tools on here if possiblw | 09:26 |
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| Jef91 | Does sailfish have an option somewhere to have double tapping the screen wake the device? | 09:37 |
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| ln- | double-tapping the screen does wake the device. | 09:38 |
| entil | if you have moisture or crap on the screen it might react worse, because of five-point touch or something | 09:39 |
| Jef91 | Ahh, I wonder if its just not functional on the Nexus4 port then. | 09:40 |
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| tbr | Jef91: that only works on the jolla phone (and maaaybe on the n9) | 09:41 |
| Jef91 | tbr, alrighty thanks | 09:41 |
| tbr | on any other hardware it would need to keep the touch surface awake to sense the tap | 09:41 |
| entil | how do you wake the device on the nexus? | 09:42 |
| Jef91 | tbr, I found sailfish on the N9 to be slow enough that it wasn't very useful | 09:42 |
| Jef91 | it is pretty snappy on the nexus though | 09:42 |
| Jef91 | entil, pressing the power button | 09:42 |
| entil | yeah, some of the guys had a nexus over for beers some time back, it seemed nice | 09:42 |
| entil | Jef91: ah ok, then I guess powermenu wouldn't work either :( | 09:42 |
| Jef91 | entil, it is good enough | 09:42 |
| Jef91 | I'm waiting for the OnePlus port to come along a bit more since that hardware is better | 09:43 |
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| Jef91 | but I just want a functional sailfish OS device. My N9 is a bit old at this point | 09:43 |
| entil | myeah ok, I'm on the original jolla phone, and will apparently be for a while as I got the keyboard coming in | 09:44 |
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| entil | not sure I miss having faster hardware, the thing works like a charm | 09:44 |
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| Jef91 | entil, that doesn't get 3g or LTE speeds here in the states | 09:46 |
| Jef91 | and I don't want to deal with 15kbp/sec on 2g | 09:46 |
| entil | hehe, absolutely | 09:46 |
| Jef91 | for a device that would cost me twice has much as the OnePlus or a Nexus 4 | 09:46 |
| entil | maybe I'm tasting the oneplus kool-aid here but having it run sailfish feels like a sweet thing to do | 09:46 |
| entil | but since its completely kool-aid-driven one has to doubt | 09:47 |
| Jef91 | entil, the current OnePlus image doesn't have a working jolla store or audio/voice at the moment | 09:49 |
| Jef91 | so it still needs some more | 09:49 |
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| entil | afaik there was a new alpha just out recently | 09:50 |
| entil | with some improvements | 09:50 |
| entil | but I'm sure most of that other stuff will follow as soon as they get the drivers going | 09:50 |
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| Jef91 | Yea exactly entil | 09:51 |
| Jef91 | I'm not in a huge rush now that I have a working Nexus with sailfish | 09:51 |
| entil | I'm gonna go full stockholm-syndrome when I get the keyboard and never EVER upgrade | 09:51 |
| Jef91 | haha I would | 09:52 |
| Jef91 | I miss the n900 keyboard | 09:52 |
| entil | all the apps will be bloaty and nothing runs smooth but I'll cling on to the keyboard like my life depended on it | 09:52 |
| Jef91 | and the lack of a swype keyboard in jolla is a huge let down | 09:52 |
| Jef91 | really got used to that on the N9 | 09:52 |
| entil | I never used swype, but I can't write a single thing without typos | 09:52 |
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| Jef91 | entil, modern swype on android is really good at predicting | 09:53 |
| entil | that's finnish for ya, our words conjugate like crazy and the dictionary knows only .. well .. words, and none of the logic, so the best you can hope for is for it to pick up something new and maybe suggest it | 09:53 |
| Jef91 | ahh yea, I'm only using en_US here | 09:53 |
| entil | writing in english is tons easier and the dictionary stuff might actually help you | 09:53 |
| entil | even swedish works better than finnish, as its closer to english in how words conjugate | 09:53 |
| Jef91 | There was a guy who posted screenshots / videos of a swype thing he was working on for Jolla in december of last year, but no new news about it in awhile | 09:53 |
| Jef91 | and he never posted early packages | 09:54 |
| entil | Jef91: remember the openmoko? ;P it had this really cool circular keyboard app, though I can't remember which distro it was for | 09:54 |
| entil | I was kinda thinking that it'd be cool for the jolla, but I got that it'd be too intrusive to pull off | 09:54 |
| Jef91 | entil, openmoko was a bit before my time | 09:55 |
| entil | oh | 09:55 |
| Jef91 | N900 in 09 my was my first adventure into smart phones | 09:55 |
| entil | it would've been great if it hadn't sucked | 09:55 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes openmoko hadn't been such a screwup. | 09:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | It was a perfect example of how to not do a project. | 09:55 |
| entil | at least it ran enlightenment, and my friends were making fun of me, "ytf would you EVER want virtual desktops on your PHONE?!" :D | 09:56 |
| Jef91 | hrm here is a tweet from 2012 saying pyside works on sailfish -> https://twitter.com/jollahq/status/254165348042035200 | 09:56 |
| Jef91 | Not finding much about it though | 09:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299#p1879299 - rant on that topic starting 'Openmoko dropped the ball in a big pile of manure, and then asked the community to lick it off. | 09:56 |
| entil | some of the stuff was ridiculously ahead of its time, like I'm not sure we had the iphone even, so having a touch-only (for better or worse) UI with things like enlightenment were pretty cool for the day | 09:56 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: The iphone had just hit. But - >>>95% of 'linux' people were avoiding it, on principle. | 09:57 |
| locusf | Jef91: check out gpodder, its the only app in store which has pyotherside | 09:57 |
| SpeedEvil | There was a _massive_ potential market for a working phone with X. (which the openmoko diddn't get to be for a while) | 09:57 |
| Jef91 | locusf, yea I was more hoping for Qt4/Qwidgets python bindings | 09:57 |
| entil | SpeedEvil: sure, but there wasn't a lot of touchy-feely screenies out there | 09:57 |
| Jef91 | locusf, PyOtherSide is QML only | 09:57 |
| locusf | Jef91: ah ok | 09:57 |
| Jef91 | I'd like to load up my pandora radio player that I use on my N9 on Sailfish | 09:58 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: There were lots of announcements - that's part of the problem. Lots of the announcements dumped all or most of the progress made. | 09:58 |
| entil | wonder if I could still reboot my old openmoko and find an installation on it :D | 09:58 |
| entil | I remember not appreciating the amount of distros and images out there | 10:00 |
| entil | cannot, however, remember if I built any of them or used regular images | 10:01 |
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| coderus | Jef91: what pyside modules you need? | 10:01 |
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| Jef91 | coderus, just generic pyside support? | 10:02 |
| coderus | Jef91: why? | 10:02 |
| Jef91 | mainly the qwidgets ones | 10:02 |
| Jef91 | coderus, to run pyside applications | 10:03 |
| coderus | sailfish is qtquick, not qwidget based | 10:03 |
| coderus | and its qt5 only | 10:03 |
| coderus | qtquick2* | 10:03 |
| Jef91 | Ahh alrighty. Maybe I'll bit the bullet and finally figure out qtquick then | 10:03 |
| Jef91 | QWidgets is just so easy I'd been avoiding it. | 10:03 |
| coderus | qwidgets have no hardware acceleration | 10:04 |
| coderus | qml have | 10:04 |
| Jef91 | Is there an rpm of jolla-weather somewhere? My device can't seem to find it in the store | 10:04 |
| Jef91 | Anyone recommend a good "getting started with qml" tutorial? | 10:04 |
| coderus | Jef91: it's probably just not available for non-jolla-devices | 10:04 |
| coderus | Jef91: start on digia website | 10:05 |
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| Jef91 | coderus, does pyqt5 work on Jolla or is pyotherside the other bindings? | 10:11 |
| Jef91 | the only bindings* | 10:11 |
| rubdos | I thought Harbour only accepts pyotherside, but I don't know if that's relevant to your question. | 10:13 |
| coderus | Jef91: if you wbuild pyqt5 yourself you can try it and tell us :) | 10:13 |
| Jef91 | coderus, touche | 10:14 |
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| Jef91 | coderus, fyi it looks like pyqt was compiled for sailfish already -> https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishlib/python-pyqt | 11:25 |
| Jef91 | haven't tried it yet though | 11:25 |
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| coderus | [D] LocalSensorManagerInterface::loadPluginFinished:92 - void LocalSensorManagerInterface::loadPluginFinished(QDBusPendingCallWatcher*) "Unexpected reply signature: got "i", expected "b"" | 12:05 |
| coderus | [W] QWaylandEventThread::checkError:81 - The Wayland connection broke. Did the Wayland compositor die? | 12:05 |
| coderus | wtf | 12:05 |
| coderus | what is LocalSensorManagerInterface::loadPluginFinished? | 12:05 |
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| coderus | okay, 1.1.4.24 broken WaylandNativeWindow | 12:13 |
| coderus | in 2 of 5 cases starting application using QPlatformNativeInterface crashing wayland | 12:14 |
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| coderus | Thanks Jolla! | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, you're using a release that's not out yet? :P | 12:14 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: i have no reason to think it will be fixed in "official" release | 12:15 |
| coderus | as bugs are fixing in version+++ | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention that you have a history of not upgrading in proper manners | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | so your system setup may very well be screwed u | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | p | 12:15 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: no. [D] LocalSensorManagerInterface::loadPluginFinished:92 - void LocalSensorManagerInterface::loadPluginFinished(QDBusPendingCallWatcher*) "Unexpected reply signature: got "i", expected "b"" is not my configuration fault | 12:16 |
| coderus | its your (Jolla) fault | 12:17 |
| coderus | so sad you not testing changes properly... | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not going to get anywhere discussing this with you. | 12:17 |
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| coderus | i'm not in mood to discuss it anywat | 12:18 |
| coderus | anyway* | 12:18 |
| coderus | you will see it yourself after "official" release | 12:18 |
| coderus | i will collect users feedback after release and send everything to developer-care | 12:19 |
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| nib | coderus: sounds like you dont have a debugger;) | 13:23 |
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| coderus | of course i have, but wayland crash erasing stack | 14:13 |
| coderus | and bug in system libraries, not in my application | 14:13 |
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| krobelus | How can I find out whether the device is connected via wifi or via mobile connection? | 14:18 |
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| coderus | ifconfig | 14:25 |
| coderus | or ask connman somehow | 14:25 |
| coderus | (checn connman dbus) | 14:25 |
| krobelus | thanks | 14:26 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Jef91: pkcon search name mcetools | 16:36 |
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| coderus | SfietKonstantin: wrong :) | 16:49 |
| SfietKonstantin | coderus: :P | 16:49 |
| coderus | you can do pkcon search file /usr/sbin/mcetool but you can't know exactly filename :D | 16:51 |
| coderus | filename + path | 16:51 |
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| Jef91 | Is there no GPS software on Sailfish currently? | 17:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | Jef91: define 'GPS Software' | 17:22 |
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| Jef91 | r0kk3rz, turn by turn directions with maps from point A to point B | 17:24 |
| r0kk3rz | theres modrana | 17:25 |
| r0kk3rz | other than android apps | 17:25 |
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| Jef91 | r0kk3rz, sadly I'm using a Nexus 4 - so I can't use Android apps under Sailfish yet | 17:28 |
| r0kk3rz | ah, understood | 17:29 |
| r0kk3rz | take a look at modrana then, on open repos | 17:29 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure if it does turn by turn or not | 17:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | i think there is also an app called 'poor maps' thats supposed to be good | 17:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah looks like poor maps does turn by turn | 17:30 |
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| kimmoli | eksaktli http://www.hs.fi/m/blogi/narrienlaiva/a1305944213082?jako=808b9918868ab15fd9a2553ac023e7bc | 17:43 |
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| Jef91 | There are two different swype keyboard preview videos running on Sailfish from almost a year ago now, but neither poster seems to ahve it public. Very annoying | 17:49 |
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| entil | so it's a quarter to ridiculously late and that's when I get a working textsecure dev server started on my machine :/ | 18:44 |
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| toerb_sfos | heyho | 18:48 |
| toerb_sfos | in which package is less shipped? | 18:49 |
| toerb_sfos | could only find zless | 18:49 |
| entil | rpm -qf $(which less) on the phone returns less-436-7.33.7.1.armv6hl | 18:50 |
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| toerb_sfos | pkcon search name less or pkcon search file less returns nothing | 19:11 |
| toerb_sfos | do i have to enable some repos? | 19:11 |
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| coderus | show ssu lr | 19:12 |
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| Jef91 | Is there a way to have multiple message windows open at the same time on sailfish? | 19:20 |
| SfietKonstantin | Jef91: no sadly | 19:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | not at that time | 19:22 |
| Jef91 | Rough. | 19:23 |
| Jef91 | Not a huge deal I guess, just makes having multiple conversatins much harder | 19:23 |
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| toerb | coderus: https://things.toerb.de/ssulr.txt | 19:29 |
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| coderus | toerb: looks ok | 19:31 |
| coderus | you should have pkcon search name less results | 19:31 |
| coderus | if not do pkcon refresh | 19:31 |
| coderus | Jef91: simple patch can be made for this... | 19:31 |
| Jef91 | coderus, patch it! | 19:32 |
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| toerb | coderus: pkcon search name less now returns some packages but not less itself | 19:35 |
| toerb | pkcon search file less returns nothing | 19:35 |
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| bluszcz | http://pastebin.com/780TCmnv I am trying to make ContextMenu working, but with this construction inside repeater - my repeater somehow draws everything on the top of the screen, only first item... anyone has an idea perhaps? | 19:37 |
| coderus | toerb: pkcon search file `which less` | 19:37 |
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| coderus | bluszcz: http://sailfishdev.tumblr.com/post/86417133152/long-list-inside-combobox | 19:38 |
| coderus | same thing can be applied for contextmenu | 19:38 |
| coderus | because combobox using contextmenu :) | 19:38 |
| coderus | but | 19:38 |
| coderus | bluszcz: wtf you have Item { BackgroundItem with ContextMenu component ?? | 19:39 |
| coderus | use ListItem instead all of this sh*t | 19:39 |
| Jef91 | Is it just a nexus 4 issue that the whole system bogs down when using facebook messenger? | 19:39 |
| toerb_sfos | coderus: which returns an error when the searched file is not in the directories of PATH | 19:40 |
| coderus | what is your which less? | 19:40 |
| toerb_sfos | where is less on yozr device? | 19:40 |
| coderus | /usr/bin/less of course | 19:41 |
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| bluszcz | coderus: I tried to modify ContextMenu example to my double Repeater situation | 19:41 |
| coderus | bluszcz: use ListItem, it will reserve space for context menu automatically | 19:42 |
| coderus | or you need to adjust height with context menu height when it open | 19:43 |
| toerb_sfos | coderus: so pkcon search file /usr/bin/less not working | 19:43 |
| coderus | toerb_sfos: what is your which less? | 19:43 |
| toerb_sfos | coderus: which: no less in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin | 19:44 |
| toerb_sfos | :/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/home/nemo/bin) | 19:44 |
| toerb_sfos | no less in searched PATH | 19:44 |
| toerb_sfos | because it is nit installed | 19:44 |
| toerb_sfos | not* | 19:44 |
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| coderus | lol | 19:48 |
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| bluszcz | coderus: not sure if I understood "ues listItem" correctly - i replace Repeater with it but it still acts same https://gist.github.com/bluszcz/942b59324a798ac1aa3e | 19:49 |
| coderus | toerb_sfos: download this then: https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/less | 19:49 |
| coderus | bluszcz: use ListItem insteadd of your Item { BackgroundItem {} } | 19:50 |
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| bluszcz | coderus: thank you, however still is something messed up - still full listview with first listitemsstuck to the top. I will try to digg it more. | 19:58 |
| coderus | bluszcz: you using it wrong again then | 19:58 |
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| kimmoli | toerb: suggested reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 20:14 |
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| coderus | ah sure kimmoli! | 20:23 |
| coderus | toerb: do ssu ar mer-tools | 20:23 |
| coderus | pkcon refresh | 20:23 |
| coderus | pkcon install less | 20:23 |
| coderus | :D | 20:23 |
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| coderus | i always thinking mer-tools is default repo :D | 20:50 |
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| toerb | coderus, kimmoli: thank you :) | 21:49 |
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| lpotter | coderus: that LocalSensorManagerInterface::loadPluginFinished error has nothing to do with apps crashing. it's just telling you that its expecting the wrong signature | 23:10 |
| lpotter | for a callback that only checks for error of loading sensor plugin | 23:11 |
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| lpotter | fixed in sensorfw 0.8.7 | 23:12 |
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| M4rtinK | lpotter: if you are still there - I think I found a quite serious bug in Canvas on Sailfish OS | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | lpotter: https://together.jolla.com/question/88787/bug-some-qtquick-canvas-drawing-coordinates-cause-application-wide-deadlock/ | 23:58 |
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