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| faenil | coderus: seen the thread on SailfishDevel? | 08:45 |
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| coderus | faenil: which one? | 10:22 |
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| faenil | coderus: the one about articles on sitepoint | 10:25 |
| faenil | they say they pay for dev articles about sailfishos | 10:25 |
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| SfietKontantinW | faenil: I didn't understand pay | 10:28 |
| SfietKontantinW | I have only seen "please come and write articles :) | 10:28 |
| SfietKontantinW | " | 10:28 |
| faenil | did I misread? | 10:28 |
| coderus | >> I was wondering if there is anyone in the community who might be keen in writing a series of posts for our channel on SailFish app development? We pay for articles to. Get in touch with me and we can talk some more :) | 10:29 |
| faenil | ok, I didn't misread :D | 10:30 |
| coderus | i don't like sitepoint structure | 10:31 |
| coderus | for me it like rrandom bunch of atricles | 10:31 |
| SfietKontantinW | ok I did misread | 10:32 |
| SfietKontantinW | :D | 10:32 |
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| tat | i get CalDAV sync failed: 403 "unable to save calendar storage" | 11:37 |
| tat | when i try to sync my calendar | 11:37 |
| tat | anybody seen this bevore ? | 11:37 |
| bluszcz | sounds like server error, can you check on server side? | 11:40 |
| tat | looks like auth fails | 11:46 |
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| tat | well it gets all the calendars, but than it throws me not signed in need to update signin credentials ??? | 11:50 |
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| tat | ok now it throws me Mär 24 12:53:12 Jolla caldav-client[10171]: [C] mKCal::SqliteStorage::Private::saveIncidences:2055 - sqlitestorage.cpp: 2055 - UNIQUE constraint failed: Components.UID, Components.RecurId, Components.DateDeleted for incidence "77bff3f66b" | 11:53 |
| tat | my server keeps returning 401 | 11:54 |
| tat | so i guess it is a login failure, but the auth credentials are fine | 11:54 |
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| Ikarus | hmz, reminds me, is the calender application itself FOSS ? | 11:59 |
| Ikarus | I mean I can reinvent it easily enough, but there are some minor fixes I've been tempting to do | 11:59 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:33 |
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| SfietKontantinW | Ikarus: IMO this is in the list of apps where an opensource alternative can be provided | 12:55 |
| SfietKontantinW | it is just an ui | 12:55 |
| Ikarus | SfietKontantinW: exactly | 12:55 |
| Ikarus | SfietKontantinW: and I want to build something that also integrates todo functionality (I often want calendered deadlines for todo tasks) | 12:55 |
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| coderus | can anyone help me to select proper opensource license for libwa? | 13:11 |
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| Ikarus | coderus: I can try and else I might be able to ask a friend who happens to be a lawyer | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: lgplv2.1 or later | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | should cover most good uses | 13:12 |
| Ikarus | coderus: what is your goal ? | 13:12 |
| Ikarus | Stskeeps: agreed, but not always :) | 13:13 |
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| coderus | i want a license which restrict usage of my library in closed source projects | 13:15 |
| Ikarus | restrict in what way | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | GPL will do that | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | but a lot of people don't like it | 13:15 |
| jaacoppi | lgpl won't restrict, right? | 13:15 |
| coderus | in all. any application based on libwa should be opensource from first day of it release | 13:15 |
| SfietKontantinW | coderus: that's gpl | 13:16 |
| Ikarus | coderus: sure, but if I write a closed source application and only link to libwa, should I be allowed to do that ? | 13:16 |
| SfietKontantinW | first day you cannot guarantee that | 13:16 |
| Ikarus | if so LGPL, else GPL or AGPL | 13:16 |
| Ikarus | although GPLv3 covers most of AGPL | 13:16 |
| coderus | Ikarus: no, i want any application statically or dynamically linked to my library to be opensource | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | GPL it is then | 13:17 |
| Ikarus | coderus: GPLv3 or AGPL then, with GPLv3 having preference, optionally GPLv2 if you don't want to force them deal with patents and some other issues, but I wouldn't recommend it | 13:17 |
| coderus | SfietKontantinW: just maintainer can't publish application without publishing it sources, i mean. | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: then you probably need GPL | 13:18 |
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| coderus | gplv2 is okay? | 13:19 |
| coderus | reading it right now... | 13:19 |
| Ikarus | coderus: GPLv3 is stronger as it protects the rights of the person to actually modify it | 13:19 |
| jaacoppi | flame on! | 13:20 |
| Ikarus | jaacoppi: yup | 13:21 |
| Ikarus | although I do see the point of NOT using those protections in certain cases | 13:21 |
| jaacoppi | out of curiosity, what are those cases? | 13:22 |
| arnej | There were some concerns about GPL3 but I can't remember exactly (Linux uses v2 because of that afaik) | 13:22 |
| Ikarus | arnej: corporate contributors who can't guarantee the patent clauses | 13:23 |
| arnej | Ikarus: When I google for it I can not find any reasons not to use v3 (at least not reasons that seem valid to me :)) | 13:30 |
| arnej | So I think v3 is a good choice | 13:30 |
| Ikarus | arnej: there is no reason for non-commercial developers really | 13:31 |
| Ikarus | but you have to address the little details | 13:31 |
| zGrr | why would you want to restrict usage of your library in closed source projects? | 13:31 |
| Ikarus | zGrr: I have a bunch of reasons myself | 13:32 |
| Ikarus | not the least of which "I wasn't paid to write this" | 13:32 |
| zGrr | good enough reason. | 13:32 |
| zGrr | if that's the case, why bother going opensource? | 13:33 |
| Ikarus | zGrr: because you do want other people to be able to modify it ? | 13:33 |
| zGrr | there might also be at least bunch of reason. | 13:33 |
| Ikarus | anyway, my personal motivations I've written in an essay once, I might link it at some point, but coderus may have entirely different ones, like sticking it to the "man" | 13:34 |
| zGrr | corporation leach on opensource anyway and no license is going to protect from that | 13:36 |
| Ikarus | zGrr: sure, sure, but it can be a sentiment | 13:36 |
| zGrr | illusive protection | 13:36 |
| Ikarus | I mean I don't share it | 13:37 |
| Ikarus | so I can only play devils advocate | 13:37 |
| Nicd- | I just put all my stuff out as MIT for maximum freedom | 13:37 |
| zGrr | good decision | 13:37 |
| Ikarus | I considered a cocktail license at one point, but realised the danger of that :P | 13:38 |
| Ikarus | (if you use my software and ever meet me, buy me a drink) | 13:38 |
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| Nicd- | that could be a problem in case it's really popular and you do a talk about it in some convention for example | 13:39 |
| Nicd- | suddenly 200 drinks | 13:39 |
| arnej | No matter what license you pick, Allwinner and friends will just use and modify it without returning anything to the community | 13:40 |
| Ikarus | and I am drunk by drink 3 and as a girl, quite a big risk at a conf :P | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | funny thing about licences, PHP's JSON parsing library has the clause "This software must be used for good, not evil." in its licence and that's why some Linux distros refuse to package it | 13:40 |
| Ikarus | Nicd-: I can quite happily understand that | 13:40 |
| Ikarus | friend of mine has the barefoot license | 13:40 |
| Ikarus | within one week of starting to use his software, you have to go barefoot for a day | 13:41 |
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| zGrr | I would go BSD license. | 13:45 |
| Ikarus | I've been pondering a new pun license for a library that has only applications as a teaching tool | 13:46 |
| Ikarus | so I don't want it to be usable | 13:46 |
| zGrr | if someone wants, he could steal your project anyway. | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | but they could be found out and sued | 13:48 |
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| Ikarus | zGrr: sure, but it's inherently BROKEN by design, as it's a teaching tool | 13:48 |
| zGrr | but then? why steal, when you can buy? or license it from you? only corporation would do that. | 13:49 |
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| zGrr | sue? oh come on | 13:49 |
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| zGrr | you have no chance with corpo lawyers. | 13:50 |
| zGrr | even if you win, they can still make you cry | 13:51 |
| giucam | that's like saying you should keep the door open at night because thieves will steal anyway | 13:51 |
| zGrr | i don't see any reasonable lock. | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | you can very realistically sue against smaller players. against the big companies it depends on how much of a public issue you can make it. but that doesn't make the licence useless | 13:53 |
| giucam | GPL is that lock. professional thieves will force it, as they force the door of your apartment | 13:53 |
| giucam | but it will at least reduce the number of people that will force it | 13:54 |
| zGrr | they don't steal because they are corporations. they wouldn't even know how to use stolen ware. if they did, they would wrote it themselves. | 13:55 |
| Ikarus | Nicd-: also depends on the jurisdiction | 13:55 |
| zGrr | and stealing opensource gives bad publicity. | 13:55 |
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| Ikarus | Nicd-: see the lawsuits related to busybox in Germany | 13:55 |
| zGrr | and opensource community gives some protection. | 13:56 |
| zGrr | Ikarus: it is interesting case: busybox vs. vmware | 13:59 |
| giucam | zGrr: if they don't steal, wonderful: GPL worked as planned | 14:00 |
| giucam | i'm not sure what point you're making | 14:00 |
| zGrr | we'll se how it is going to end. | 14:01 |
| zGrr | i see big corporations parasyting on opensource projects regardless on license. | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | that doesn't mean everything should be public domain | 14:05 |
| zGrr | no, it doesn't | 14:05 |
| zGrr | i am just disgusted seeing what is happening to linux and some other opensource projects. | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | what is happening to them? | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | corporations leeching off of them? | 14:07 |
| zGrr | exactly. | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | if you changed the linux kernel to MIT, I doubt those numbers would decrease :P | 14:07 |
| zGrr | no, it wouldn't | 14:08 |
| giucam | corporations are contributing to linux too, i'm not aware of many GPL violations | 14:08 |
| zGrr | it is not violations as such | 14:08 |
| zGrr | i am more and more often struggling to find hardware to run linux in an open manner. | 14:10 |
| zGrr | as it used to be. | 14:11 |
| zGrr | ... and i don't think it was meant by people who stood behind linux and opensource revolution. | 14:11 |
| giucam | the driver situation is getting better | 14:11 |
| zGrr | i think it was better before. | 14:12 |
| giucam | well, my laptop works without any binary blob | 14:12 |
| Nicd- | giucam: BIOS/EFI? | 14:13 |
| zGrr | mine too | 14:13 |
| zGrr | old laptop | 14:13 |
| giucam | Nicd-: it has EFI, but i'm using BIOS | 14:13 |
| zGrr | but there is no way i could install it on tesco hudl2 tablet. | 14:13 |
| zGrr | even jolla cannot do much about it. | 14:13 |
| giucam | yeah, mobile is harder | 14:13 |
| giucam | but then, there is no "earlier" to compare to, there | 14:13 |
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| zGrr | it is intel atom - not very exotic hw | 14:14 |
| giucam | the architecture may be x86, but the device type is new | 14:14 |
| giucam | relatively new, anyway | 14:14 |
| zGrr | even jolla cannot do much about it and have to rely on libhybris trick. | 14:15 |
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| lbt | kimmoli: ping - were you looking at an NFC ToH ? | 14:18 |
| kimmoli | lbt: pong | 14:19 |
| kimmoli | i don't see one atm at least | 14:19 |
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| lbt | ok - just wondered if anyone was doing that in any way :) | 14:19 |
| kimmoli | if no one does it, might be in queue | 14:19 |
| * lbt has an NFC ring .... | 14:20 | |
| kimmoli | problem is sh*tload of software it needs | 14:20 |
| kimmoli | depends ofc what it is needed for, payments are no-go | 14:20 |
| lbt | yeah - mainly tag reading I guess - not something I've dug into (way too much stuff on the go) | 14:21 |
| lbt | ok - well, thanks :) | 14:21 |
| kimmoli | http://ams.com/eng/Products/NFC-HF-RFID/NFC-HF-Booster/AS3922 | 14:22 |
| kimmoli | this would be cool though, fits in µsd card | 14:22 |
| kimmoli | package "die" rules hobby building out | 14:23 |
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| sledges | 0 min:P | 15:00 |
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| toerb | hey, what are "properties" in the definition of pageStack.push()? | 15:40 |
| coderus | toerb: any properties you want to assign to page in initialization | 15:40 |
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| toerb | coderus: ie i want to push a string to the new page, how would i do that? | 15:43 |
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| jaacoppi | then in SomePage.qml have property string someProperty to actually use it | 16:00 |
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| coderus | obviously :) | 16:01 |
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| scottc | o/ | 16:04 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, is SailfishOS ported to NoteII phones ? | 16:11 |
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| leszek | I never heard of that. Take a look here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 16:13 |
| AnAnt | leszek: thanks | 16:14 |
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| toerb | jaacoppi, coderus: so i have a textField with the label a in "SomePage.qml" and i want it to have the text "b". | 17:52 |
| toerb | then i have to give the properties { "a.text": "b" } in the push()? | 17:53 |
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| Acce | toerb: nope | 18:01 |
| Acce | you should have, say, property alias aFieldText: a.text in your SomePage.qml | 18:02 |
| Acce | then send {aFieldText: "b"} with push | 18:02 |
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| toerb | Acce: thank you | 18:07 |
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| toerb | i know one can import js with "import $js as bla". where is the best place to put the js files and how do i reference them correctly from a page? | 18:19 |
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| leszek | toerb: from an organzitational standpoing I would create a folder for js files only | 18:35 |
| leszek | import statements should be on top of the qml source file | 18:35 |
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| leszek | by default you reference them by the name you give it in the 'as bla' . So if you want to call a specific function you call then bla.function(arguments) | 18:36 |
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| toerb | hello kroovy | 19:57 |
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| toerb | how can i instantiate an object from an imported js file? | 21:44 |
| toerb | i am trying it like in plain js | 21:44 |
| toerb | import "js/sha512.js" as Sha512 | 21:44 |
| toerb | in a onClicked event: var hash = new Sha512.jsSHA("test", "TEXT"); | 21:45 |
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| toerb | but the application throws the warning "TypeError: Type error" | 21:45 |
| toerb | the sha512 implementation is from https://github.com/Caligatio/jsSHA/blob/v1.6.0/src/sha512.js | 21:47 |
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| Acce | toerb: make a function getSHAInstance() or similar, which returns new jsSHA(...) | 22:53 |
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| Acce | that should work at least | 22:53 |
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| Yaniel | shouldn't that be like just "import js/sha512 as SHA512" | 23:10 |
| Yaniel | or js.sha512 | 23:10 |
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| toerb | Yaniel: this was not quite that easy. the interpreter kept saying the instanciation of the class inside sha512 would not be possible because of a type error | 23:28 |
| toerb | Acce: your answer brought me on the right track, thank you very much | 23:29 |
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